Naruto or Sasuke: Better strategist?
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Sasuke is hands down is more analytical than Naruto and a better strategist.He has shown intelligence in nearly every battle he's been in throughout the story.
-Against Kakashi during the bell test he set up multiple traps with Ninja Tools to distract Kakashi long enough for him to be able to get close for Taijutsu which he then used to get Kakashi to counter his attacks which would leave an opening for him to grab a bell while Kakashi literally had his hands full.
-Against Deidara
This was one of the best battles in the story - probably the smartest one.Infact i need to reread it so i can have a better understanding of it.During the whole battle Sasuke was testing out a theory he had on how Deidara's techniques worked,and he formed counters/strategies against them,which led to his victory,like using his lightining style to deactivate the clay bombs that Deidara had planted within him.
Great use of Genjutsu and Ninjutsu for Sasuke in that battle.
Naruto has shown intelligence in battle aswell.Like against the 3rd Raikage.First was the 3 way counter with the Rasenshuriken which landed a hit on the Raikage which no one else was able to do.Then from hearing a short story from the Hachibi Naruto formed a strategy and successfully did it.
Naruto saw the scarred near the Raikage's shoulder so he figured that was his weak piont and from talking to the Hachibi he confirmed it and immediately came up with a strategy.He went into Sage Mode so he would be able to predict the Raikage's lightining fast movements and dodge at the last second,and land a hit on his weak spot so the sealing girl could seal him before he regenerated.That's one of Naruto's best moments/Some of my fav chapters - 554/555.
But overall Sasuke has shown alot more intelligence throughtout the whole story in battle.
-Against Kakashi during the bell test he set up multiple traps with Ninja Tools to distract Kakashi long enough for him to be able to get close for Taijutsu which he then used to get Kakashi to counter his attacks which would leave an opening for him to grab a bell while Kakashi literally had his hands full.
-Against Deidara
This was one of the best battles in the story - probably the smartest one.Infact i need to reread it so i can have a better understanding of it.During the whole battle Sasuke was testing out a theory he had on how Deidara's techniques worked,and he formed counters/strategies against them,which led to his victory,like using his lightining style to deactivate the clay bombs that Deidara had planted within him.
Great use of Genjutsu and Ninjutsu for Sasuke in that battle.
Naruto has shown intelligence in battle aswell.Like against the 3rd Raikage.First was the 3 way counter with the Rasenshuriken which landed a hit on the Raikage which no one else was able to do.Then from hearing a short story from the Hachibi Naruto formed a strategy and successfully did it.
Naruto saw the scarred near the Raikage's shoulder so he figured that was his weak piont and from talking to the Hachibi he confirmed it and immediately came up with a strategy.He went into Sage Mode so he would be able to predict the Raikage's lightining fast movements and dodge at the last second,and land a hit on his weak spot so the sealing girl could seal him before he regenerated.That's one of Naruto's best moments/Some of my fav chapters - 554/555.
But overall Sasuke has shown alot more intelligence throughtout the whole story in battle.
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(1) And what prove do you have that Sasuke is more intelligent than Naruto?
(2) When it comes to battle strategy they are roughly equal.
(3) In overall smarts Naruto is just as smart as Sasuke, if not smarter.
(2) When it comes to battle strategy they are roughly equal.
(3) In overall smarts Naruto is just as smart as Sasuke, if not smarter.
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Great explanation Sir.
Read the manga.How about specifically Sasuke Vs Deidara,perhaps you should also refer back to more recently - Naruto and Sasuke Vs Madara,and take a look at the prevoius page.Someone posted a great page,that shows things.
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Lol that was a reference to Sasuke Vs Deidara. Which is probably the smartest battle in the manga,but definetely in the top 5,better yet,the top 3.
Did you really just bypass all the strategy that was in that battle from begining to end just to piont out something which you thought was stupid?
I didn't think you were that biased,and Manda is Orochimaru's summoning - not Sasuke's.Want me to go into more details about things since you clearly don't know? You even put Naruto above Sasuke on this topic.
"Sasuke just spams Susano'o,and Amaterasu " - did you read Sasuke Vs Danzo or did you just look at the drawings? No offense but your post was filled with bias/ignorance.
Exactly,it's been ephasized the whole story.
You say that and gave no explanation.
Lol,i'm pretty theres a big part of the story where Naruto and Sasuke weren't together.Let's ignore that though.
1)He's just discussing Naruto on a Naruto site,and wouldn't now be one of the best times to talk about this? Considering their highly anticapated battle has begun.
2)Your wrong.Just going by counting the amount of battles where each of them have used strategy,Sasuke wins,and thats not even counting the amount of strategies within these battles.
I will go into detail if i'm pressed for it.
3)If Naruto deosn't match in 2 then he can't match in 3.Naruto is smart,bit Sasuke is smarter.
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You didn't bring up any points and just tried to make mine look foolish. Tell me more how Manda wasn't Sasuke's summoning, how else would he summon it? And then you bring up the Danzo fight, where Sasuke barely won,only due to Danzo's own overconfidence.
Is that your only two examples of Sasuke using any strategy?
Compared to the amount of actual fights Sasuke has been in it's lacking.
The Kages,Kaguya,Madara, Killer Bee and his fight with Itachi show how terrible of a tactician he is.
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Sasuke was able to summon Manda cause he absorbed Orochimaru.Hence why Sasuke hasn't summoned a single snake since Itachi got rid of Orochimaru,and even then he had known how to use Orochimaru's powers from having studied about him in preparation for his battle against him.
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Sasuke did research on Orochimaru's powers,which helped him defeat him,and be able to use his powers,hence Summoning Manda - Orochimaru's Snake Summoning.
Sasuke won against Danzo from outsmarting him.If you want to blame that on Danzo being overconfident then you're just making excuses.Surely Sasuke was confident aswell,yet still didn't lose.
Sasuke figured out how Izanagi worked and timed his second Genjutsu to make Danzo believe he still had 1 minute left for Izanagi.Buf before then Sasuke first used Genjutsu on Danzo to show him an illusion of Itachi.That was a test to see if Danzo could be caught in Genjutsu even though he uses Izanagi.
Second,Sasuke figured out in battle how a technique he never saw before works and he formed a strategy and successfully countered it.As i said,he timed his second Genjutsu inorder to make Danzo believe he still had 1 Eye left for Izanagi - the only way Sasuke could of fooled Danzo with his own technique which he never saw before was to have figured it out,which he did while fighting him.
Anyways Tobi himself explained things.You don't even have to reread the whole fight since you clearly don't remember or ever even understood it despite reading Naruto for how many years?
If you're too lazy then just read Tobi's 2 page explanation on Sasuke's performance,which he himself praised Sasuke for and said Sasuke was better than Danzo.
In case you read this post before i edit it and add the links i want you to know that i'll get the Tobi explanation pages now.
Also,go see my comment on the prevoius page,i explained some of Sasuke's strategies there and one of Naruto's best ones aswell,which you didn't even think of.And there was also PAGES of strategy explanations in Sasuke vs Deidara which you flew past so you could piont out something you thought was stupid.
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Figured out his tecnique while fighting him,tested his powers against him,strategized counters against him,and successfully did it.
Killing Danzo with Susano'o multiple times,the so called Spamming it made Danzo use up eyes and gave Sasuke more info to be able to figure it out.All this while also learning how to use the MS,which he awakened a few days earlier, and Susano'o,which he first started using that very same day.
Also,you use as an excuse that Danzo lost cause he was overconfident.Well Sasuke was Overconfident against Bee,but you don't excuse that,and should you? No cause that's a battle Sasuke had and lost,the same as Danzo had a battle and lost.(Well Sasuke kinda "won" but that's cause KB decided to use that as a chance to escape.)
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You didn't need to explain the entire fights to me, it's obvious he used a plan during those two. The majority of the fights in the series are played out exactly the same.
Even Sakura had fights where she analyzed her opponent and countered them at the end.
But just those two fights doesn't make him on par with Naruto, who in each and every fight uses clever tactics and feints.
(1) He said Sasuke is intelligent than Naruto and I just asked for prof of that.
(2) The number of battles don't prove a thing. This is because Naruto hasn't been in a position to fight more battles whereas Sasuke has.
Even with the little battle he has been in, Naruto has proven to be more than capable to put him on or above Sasukes level.
(3) Still has counter in number 2. So all in all Naruto is as smart as Sasuke if not smarter.
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You're kidding.Yes i did need to explain it since you think and say he was just spamming Susano'o and Amaterasu.I explained Sasuke Vs Danzo here,some of Sasuke Vs Deidara,and Sasuke Vs Kakashi,thats 3 yet you say i only mentioned a couple.
Wow,if you can't even keep track of that then why should anyone believe what you say about Sasuke suppousedly not using strategy through the whole story?
I also mentioned Sasuke and Naruto Vs Madara but i didn't go in detail,nor do i need to.Sasuke was even giving Naruto instructions.Why do you ignore that? Sasuke was also leading the team when Madara casted the Infinite Tsukuyomi,i pionted out how someone posted that page.
Sasuke clearly had great strategy in his battle against Deidara,Danzo,and With Naruto against Madara,i also mentioned the first battle he had - against Kakashi.
Now i obvoisly have to go into more detail since you choose to defy the story and beilieve Naruto is a better strategiest.
-Forest of Death against Orochimaru
Sasuke used his Sharingan in combination with Ninja tools and fire style to land a hit in Orochimaru.He read his movements,launched windmills at him and Kunai - again,the whole time Watching his movements,setting up his attack - The Sharingan Windmill Triple Blade which was connected with strings he controllled.Orochimaru caught it with his mouth - Sasuke clearly knew he would - he then launched a Fire Style Jutsu which instantly connected to Orochimaru throught the String,and set his face on fire.
Some more detail - He impressed him, gain Orochimaru's respect,hence Orochimaru giving him the CM,and he also said he sense power in his eyes that surpasses Itachi.
-against Gaara.He used High Speed Taijutsu to break his Sand Armor down and Chidori to break through his Sand Wall.
-against Naruto - he planned to use quick techniques and execution to create an opening and then hit him with Chidori.
-Against Orochimaru - explained already.He did research,and preplan/prepared for the battle ahead of time,and even learned to use his powers before he even got them.
-Sasuke Vs Deidara - explained some.Not going in more detail.As i said Its probably the smartest battle in the Manga.Strategy from begining to end.You would have to pause to think things through and figure out what happened.
-Against itachi.The whole setup for Kirin.Using Big Fire Style attacks to heat up the atmosphere so it could rain and creage lightning,which he would then use to instantly attack Itachi with.
Naruto has never manipulated the whether itself - Sasuke tamed Lightining Itself,he had obvoiusly preplanned this.
-against KB - used his whole team - "i'll capture him,Sugeitsu,you go to the right,Jugo to the left,Karin watch my back" was his first instructions.
-He also successfully snook into not only the the Samurai country without anyone noticing but also the Kage summit commanding his team.
-Against The Raikage,Gaara,Darui,Kankuro,Temari,and Samurai teaming up on Him.He used Jugo as a distraction while Jugo was fighting the Raikage,then he Solo Glanced C,when Gaara and company Arrived he destroyed the Pillars to distract them long enough for him to escape.
-Danzo explained
Etc
You have said Nothing on How Naruto beats Sasuke in strategy yet here i am explaining so much.You haven't provided pretty much anything.
Just like the story.The winner of this is clear - Sasuke/Me.I'm not even going to bother to reread this for typos even though i'm on mobile which leads to more mistakes.
You say this with no explanation.To say Naruto is as smart as Sasuke is pushing it,to say he's smarter is seroiusly exagerrating,and on top of that you give zero explanations.
Yes Minato is surprised that Naruto was even keeping up with Sasuke.Good thing you posted this page.It reminded me of when Sasuke was telling Naruto to stop worrying about the 3rd Hokage and stay focused on making a strategy or something.
Sasuke even explained to Naruto what the Kages were doing.They were purposefully going in and attack Obito so they could gain info on his abilities,they knew they were Edo and would regenerate,so they were the best options to do this.
Sasuke pretty much said that,except better than i did.While Naruto was worrying about Hiruzen without having any of this in mind until Sasuke said something.
Very weak counter - it just went against you lol.
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Well the Naruto battles with his strategies and smarts are already in the thread, that's why I did not bother to post them again.
Just as i said earlier, Sasuke has been in position to fight more battles whiles Naruto had no motivation to fight anybody except fighting to protect his village.
So what this means is that Sasuke had got more chances to show his potential whilst Naruto has gotten only a few.
Among those few battles that Naruto has gotten, he.showed more than enough potential to put him at Sasukes level or above him.
Also as gangster was pointing out, with those many Sasuke battles too, there are most where he showed little to no strategy at all. There in come my argument again that the number of fights you have under you belt doesn't matter at all.
Interesting point bro but there is just something that's nagging me. I can't seem to imagine Kakashi failing to replicate Sasuke's strategy feats in all of Sasuke's fights. I mean, can you? something that Sasuke did that Kakashi wouldn't have figured out?
Kakashi kinda have analytical skills on par with the best in narutoverse. He can decypher almost anything..
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I have already proven Gag wrong.Did you even read my comments? He skipped over 95 percent of Sasuke Vs Deidera which was fillied with strategy to piont out what Sasuke did that he thought was stupid. He even believed Manda was Sasuke's summoning - when everyone knows that Orochimaru is the snake guy.
Notice how he only mentions the Manda summoning and skips over the whole fight.And what he got from Sasuke Vs Danzo was "Sasuke just spams Susano'o and Amaterasu."
He ignores/forgets/didn't even know of the strategy that Sasuke used that i explained.
Why do you believe Gag was right if you read my post? notice how he said practically nothing to counter my post.And NOTHING to prove his piont that Naruto is a better strategest then Sasuke.
He downplays Sasuke battles which i corrected,and he hypes up Naruto and deos NOTHING to back it up.All he said was Naruto was better and explained nothing.How can you say Sasuke had little to no strategy in those battles after reading my post?
Is it because you didn't read them ? Lol Read Sasuke vs Deidera and Sasuke vs Danzo and tell me if Sasuke had little to no strategy.He was forming and doing his strategy the whole time.Analyzing his opponent,figuring out their powers,forming a counter and doing it.That's strategy.
And no one really said anything about Naruto's strategies. i was the one who said the most about Naruto's Strategies even though i'm on Sasuke's side.
Seroiusly go back to the prevoius page.I was the one who said the most about Naruto's strategies despite not thinking he's above Sasuke.
Your excuse is lack of battles? Naruto made up for that in the War.Naruto was fighting Nagato/Itachi,Tobi,the Six Edo Jin Pains,The Bijuu,Etc,before Sasuke even arrived at the battlefield.
He came in after Naruto had several fights.I already went into some detail about Sasuke's battles,which you clearly ignored.
Could Kakashi use multiple big Fire style jutsu,to manipulate the whether to create rain,so it could thunder,and then control the thunder itself with ease?
Could Kakashi summon Orochimaru's own Snake and then use Solo Glance to control him as use him as a sheild to escape a big explosion?
Could Kakashi have figured out Izanagi while fighting Danzo? Most likely - if he could force him to keep using the Jutsu with something as good as Susano'o.
I think Kakashi and Sasuke are pretty equal with strategy.I was just countering you saying Kakashi could replicate everything Sasuke did.
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