Orochimaru takes the 1vs1 gauntlet.

[Nattana]

I would like to see his feats of countering genjutsu,
tsukuyomi one-shots him, hell he still hasnt shown any feats of counterin even a 3T genjutsu
and sasukes genjutsu was what enabled him to beat orochimaru as well, so i dont see how he ''shat'' on genjutsu

Sasuke used some weird combination of Sharingan and Senjutsu chakra to beat Orochimaru. I'm still not sure what exacty happened there. But before that happened, Orochimaru had

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[Haizaki]

You want scans of training? Lel. Orochimaru got beaten by Sharingan Genjutsu once and then, years later he countered the same Genjutsu with 0 difficulty. It's obvious he had to train to do that.

Lel I want scans to back up your statement.

Training against Sharingan genjutsu without nothing hinting at that? I'd also love to see the counter as well.

 

[Nattana]

Lel I want scans to back up your statement.

Training against Sharingan genjutsu without nothing hinting at that? I'd also love to see the counter as well.

Lel, Orochimaru wasn't the main character so it's obvious Kishimoto didn't show us Orochimaru training. Especially that the time window between those incidents was several years.

But for scans showing Orochimaru resisting Sharingan Genjutsu check my post above.

 

[ARGUS]

Sasuke used some weird combination of Sharingan and Senjutsu chakra to beat Orochimaru. I'm still not sure what exacty happened there. But before that happened, Orochimaru had

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Lmao how is this a counter????
all that current orochimaru has is the benefit of the zetsu body therefore he is more durable and doesnt have any body problems that he had when he was alive,
he still has no genjutsu resistance feats at all, nor is he countering genjutsu in any effective way,
tsukuyomi still one shots him, and a 3T genjutsu allows a good enough opening to finish him off

 

[Nattana]

Lmao how is this a counter????
all that current orochimaru has is the benefit of the zetsu body therefore he is more durable and doesnt have any body problems that he had when he was alive,
he still has no genjutsu resistance feats at all, nor is he countering genjutsu in any effective way,
tsukuyomi still one shots him, and a 3T genjutsu allows a good enough opening to finish him off

It is a massive resistance feat. Normally, when one gets caught in any Genjutsu, they have to somehow dispel it - by inflicting pain, by chakra disruption, by releasing it with Kai if they're skilled in Genjutsu. But here, Orochimaru literally walked out of Sharingan Genjuts without any problems. He simply resisted it completely.

 

[blazekev90]

He either stops at Gai or clears it completely.

 

[Haizaki]

Lel, Orochimaru wasn't the main character so it's obvious Kishimoto didn't show us Orochimaru training. Especially that the time window between those incidents was several years.

But for scans showing Orochimaru resisting Sharingan Genjutsu check my post above.

Exactly and that's why it is speculation. If nothing at all hinted at that, we can't assume that happened. Kakashi figured how to battle the Sharingan genjutsu and we know this because it's shown in the Manga to us. Deidara situation as well was made known to us. Orochimaru's was never so we aren't going to assume he has a counter or knows how to battle it because he was caught in it.

How did Kakashi learn? It was through Gai. If Gai wasn't there, you mean we'll naturally assume Kakashi can counter it cuz he experienced it like Oro did? No. It was shown that Gai showed him and without Gai, despite already experiencing the genjutsu...Kakashi wouldn't have a counter.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is impossible for him to learn a counter. I'm only saying the Manga never hinted at him being able to counter it or even having a counter so we can't assume things.

Sasuke used some weird combination of Sharingan and Senjutsu chakra to beat Orochimaru. I'm still not sure what exacty happened there. But before that happened, Orochimaru had

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Lol you know what's funny? Sasuke put him in a genjutsu and it was revealed here where he fell prey to the sharingan

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[Nattana]

Exactly and that's why it is speculation. If nothing at all hinted at that, we can't assume that happened. Kakashi figured how to battle the Sharingan genjutsu and we know this because it's shown in the Manga to us. Deidara situation as well was made known to us. Orochimaru's was never so we aren't going to assume he has a counter or knows how to battle it because he was caught in it.

How did Kakashi learn? It was through Gai. If Gai wasn't there, you mean we'll naturally assume Kakashi can counter it cuz he experienced it like Oro did? No. It was shown that Gai showed him and without Gai, despite already experiencing the genjutsu...Kakashi wouldn't have a counter.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is impossible for him to learn a counter. I'm only saying the Manga never hinted at him being able to counter it or even having a counter so we can't assume things.

Oh come on. If something defeats you and years later you counter it like np - it's obvious something happened in the meantime that allowed you to do that. It's called training. Manga never hints at such things. The result is what counts.

Lol you know what's funny? Sasuke put him in a genjutsu and it was revealed here where he fell prey to the sharingan

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Had you checked the page before, you would've noticed that Sasuke clearly used a combination of Cursed Seal AND Sharingan. Sharingan Genjutsu alone was completely resisted.

 

[DMT]

Location: Orochimaru vs 4tails Kyuubi. There's a small water source in the middle.
Distance: 50m.
Intel: Manga. If not sure about one's intel on Orochimaru - consider it a base knowledge received from Konoha.
Intent: To kill.
Conditions: Orochimaru is current and has his Zetsu body with all White Zetsu abilities shown in manga and P1 Hashi + Kid Obito Mokuton feats. His chakra reserves and jutsu power are greatly enhanced thanks to Hashi DNA.
Restrictions: Edo Tensei, KA, all sorts of suicide jutsu.​

The gauntlet:
1. Tsunade.
2. Jiraya.
3. A.
4. War Arc Gaara.
5. Danzo.
6. 7th gate Gai.
7. Kisame.
8. Trollkage.
9. Minato.
10. Muu.
11. Itachi.​

1.oro neg diff
2. Oro mid-high diff
3.oro mid diff
4. Oro high diff
5. Could go either way
6. Oro mid diff
7. Oro high diff, kisame has his chances
8. Trollkage high diff
9. Could go either way
10. Mu mid-high diff
11. Itachi

 

[Haizaki]

Alright I'll just hold back on that point even though I stand by what I said. I don't know his counter though

Had you checked the page before, you would've noticed that Sasuke clearly used a combination of Cursed Seal AND Sharingan. Sharingan Genjutsu alone was completely resisted.

No it was never resisted.

Sasuke won't be saying such if it was.

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Same thing Itachi said when Oro was caught in his genjutsu.

Senjutsu? No. It was all part of the genjutsu. For example, He countered Itachi's Tsukoyomi with his Sharingan alone and yet we saw his use of Senjustu in the Genjutsu:

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but yet it was noted that it was just his Sharingan he used to counter it

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[KidGamer65]

1. Tsunade.

Oro low diff.

2. Jiraya.

If he starts in Base its low diff stomp for Orochimaru, mid diff if he starts in Sage Mode.

3. A.

Stomp.

4. War Arc Gaara.

Mid diff for Oro

5. Danzo.

Mid-high diff for Oro

6. 7th gate Gai.

Gai takes him out.

7. Kisame.

Mokuton really helps him here since Kisame has nothing that lets him absorb Mokuton, mainly because it can't be absorbed. There's also Eight Branches and Zetsu abilities. Mid diff for Oro.

8. Trollkage.

He either outlasts him or locates his clam somehow. Either way Orochimaru wins, mainly because Trollkage can't kill him, and Joki Boy tires him out when he uses it, so its not happening, not with the Clam Genjutsu. There's also the fact, that once again, Joki Boy can't kill him.

9. Minato.

Minato could win.

10. Muu.

Mu still beats him.

11. Itachi.

Itachi still beats him.

 

[Beans2]

The gauntlet:
1. Tsunade.
2. Jiraya.
3. A.
4. War Arc Gaara.
5. Danzo.
6. 7th gate Gai.
7. Kisame.
8. Trollkage.
9. Minato.
10. Muu.
11. Itachi.[/CENTER]​

1. Orochimaru low difficulty...this is just troll bait for the fangirls.
2. Orochimaru mid difficulty. Jiraiya will most not likely be able to enter Sage Mode in time against Orochimaru with Zetsu powers.
3. Orochimaru high difficulty. He has ways of taking down Ay or outlasting him but it will be difficult against an opponent like Ay. Ay lacks destructive power to take down Orochimaru.
4. Gaara mid difficulty. He can overwhelm Orochimaru by changing the environment to sand, rendering Mayfly or Leech all creation useless. Then he can seal him in a Grand Sand Mauseloum.
5. Orochimaru high difficulty. He's literally the one who implanted Danzo's sharingan in his arm so he knows exactly how izanagi works and what Danzo's weaknesses are. Manda counters Baku, Oral Rebirth counters Curse seal.
6. Gai high difficulty. Hirudora probably has enough destructive power to put down Orochimaru for good. He is way too fast for Orochimaru to keep up with.
7. Kisame mid difficulty. Orochimaru is hard to kill, but he can still drown and can still be sucked dry of chakra to the point of death. Water Dome engulfs the area and boss summons are devoured by 1000 sharks.
8. Orochimaru high difficulty. He has intel on the Mizukage's water body and Joki Boi can be be avoided or Oro uses spores to absorb its chakra. Genjutsu clam isn't a problem since Oro can detect it with heat sensing, then destroy it with Kusanagi.
9. Minato low difficulty. Oro can't touch him and Minato will just seal him away, or teleport him into the Mt Myoboku toad oil fountain...unless now that Orochimaru has a host body capable of using senjutsu he may not turn into a frog...
10. Orochimaru high difficulty. For reasons the OP and I have discussed. Heat sensing detects Mu's body heat so he can track his movements, sword slashes are laughed at, Jinton is avoided with Mayfly.
11. Orochimaru high difficulty. Oral rebirth > amaterasu. Genjutsu is not happening with Orochimaru having intel on it, and can use other methods of sensing (like heat sensing) to navigate instead. Mayfly under Susano'o to kill him or simply outlast.​

 

[ARGUS]

It is a massive resistance feat. Normally, when one gets caught in any Genjutsu, they have to somehow dispel it - by inflicting pain, by chakra disruption, by releasing it with Kai if they're skilled in Genjutsu. But here, Orochimaru literally walked out of Sharingan Genjuts without any problems. He simply resisted it completely.

Orochimaru still didnt break the genjutsu and still ended up losing,
zetsu body does not give him any genjutsu resistant feats, and this training that you are talking about has not once been mentionned in the manga, if he tries forming a handseal then that results in his hand getting choppped off, just how it did in canon, and once that happens, he would be unable to make a handseal

 

[TheEvilOne]

He would stop at Tsunade without your fictional abilities. With them however he can make it to Minato where he stops.

 

[Draegod]

He clears from the look at it.

 

[Apêx1]

I still don't see how an airborne Gaara is being defeated imo.

 

[Nattana]

No it was never resisted.

Sasuke won't be saying such if it was.

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Same thing Itachi said when Oro was caught in his genjutsu.

Senjutsu? No. It was all part of the genjutsu. For example, He countered Itachi's Tsukoyomi with his Sharingan alone and yet we saw his use of Senjustu in the Genjutsu:

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but yet it was noted that it was just his Sharingan he used to counter it

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Cursed Seal chakra wasn't a part of Genjutsu simply because Genjutsu Sasuke used on Orochimaru was noted to be the same thing Itachi had used on him during their encounter. Which was a type of Kanashibari no Genjutsu - something that doesn't alter the actions taken at all. Sasuke used combination of Senjutsu chakra and Sharingan - manga fact. Sharingan Genjutsu alone had no effect.

He would stop at Tsunade without your fictional abilities. With them however he can make it to Minato where he stops.

I knew sooner or later you would come

 

[Nattana]

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About Gai, Muu and Itachi - can you explain your opinion?

 

[RedRobin]

I still don't see how an airborne Gaara is being defeated imo.

Yeah I really cant see him getting up there. Unless he stretches his head up high and shoots out his sword. But its is easily defended against.

 

[Apêx1]

Yeah I really cant see him getting up there. Unless he stretches his head up high and shoots out his sword. But its is easily defended against.

Yea, everyone is claiming he somehow defeats Gaara mid diff because he has Mokuton that is only ground level. Makes no sense at all, all of Orochimaru's jutsu are ground level type attacks, including his summons. An airborne opponent is the last thing Orochimaru wants to face, the only thing he can do is as you said, stretch his neck, in which case his neck gets a sand coffin.