[Discussion] How strong is aizen compared to the sternritters?

[Joseph Gomes]

He could have finished off Aizen without Suicide. He had Aizen in his grip, nothing would have stopped him from cutting Aizen to pieces right there and then. And that's not the point, point is, there are ways to counter KS, its not unbeatable like you make it out to be. Yamamoto's way is just one way to do it.



When have I ever assumed this? Breaking out of Genjutsu in Naruto either requires the character to have sufficient expertise in the area or have an outside party flow chakra through them. In Bleach, its been proven that having enough Reiatsu difference between the character and the attack nullifies the attack, Bambietta going Volstandig against Shinji's Shikai to nullify it or Cang Du going Volstandig to nullify Hitsugaya's Bankai are just some of the many examples of this.



Why don't you accept portrayal? Yes, Gremmy has limits, but nullifying Aizens Shikai is not outside of his imagination boundaries if dropping a meteor is within it. And what would hypnosis do exactly? Royd simply uses the same method that Yamamoto used to break out. Or he uses his Quincy Spell and take Aizen down without having to actually see him.

Gremmy can't beat Aizen, if Kenpachi can **** his mind Aizen will troll him to death. Even strong willed people get trolled by KS, Gremmy doesn't have a chance

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Hitsugaya has perfected his Bankai, during the Arrancar Arc it was incomplete. Shunsui is as strong as Aizen, so just because Hitsugaya is not as strong as Bankai Shunsui does not mean he is not stronger then Shikai Shunsui. No one said Hitsugaya is as strong as Aizen, however he's most certainly stronger then base Aizen. And what durability feats does Aizen have that puts his durability above Barraggans? None.

Cang Du is stronger then Shikai Aizen, but weaker then Bankai Aizen.

Define perfected he never said he perfected his bankai he said he trained till his bankai became a real
Bankai...an where you get kyoraku is as strong as aizen?...lol no hitsugiya would get stommped by base aizen still, he might put up a little fight but that's all...um aizen took Yama 96 level kido also ichigo masked getsuga tensho,actually he took them back to back an was barely hurt,an don't say it was cuz of the hogyoku cuz it was not he took the hits an was still In good shape then the hogyoku started to heal the littles bumps an bruises that ichigo an Yama left on him.

Lol so you saying Chang du someone who you barely seen fight can beat KS aizen lol you are to funny.

 

[ssjelf]

Define perfected he never said he perfected his bankai he said he trained till his bankai became a real
Bankai...an where you get kyoraku is as strong as aizen?...lol no hitsugiya would get stommped by base aizen still, he might put up a little fight but that's all...um aizen took Yama 96 level kido also ichigo masked getsuga tensho,actually he took them back to back an was barely hurt,an don't say it was cuz of the hogyoku cuz it was not he took the hits an was still In good shape then the hogyoku started to heal the littles bumps an bruises that ichigo an Yama left on him.

Lol so you saying Chang du someone who you barely seen fight can beat KS aizen lol you are to funny.

Actually Ichigo put a rather large slice into Aizen.

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But I suppose that is not really here nor there

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Actually Ichigo put a rather large slice into Aizen.

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But I suppose that is not really here nor there

A fullpowerd getsuga tensho only left a scar on his left chest/shoulder..I rest my case.

 

[KLhunter]

No one compare with the most fear Zanpakuto own by Koga Kuchiki, Muramasa....

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Define perfected he never said he perfected his bankai he said he trained till his bankai became a real
Bankai...an where you get kyoraku is as strong as aizen?...lol no hitsugiya would get stommped by base aizen still, he might put up a little fight but that's all...um aizen took Yama 96 level kido also ichigo masked getsuga tensho,actually he took them back to back an was barely hurt,an don't say it was cuz of the hogyoku cuz it was not he took the hits an was still In good shape then the hogyoku started to heal the littles bumps an bruises that ichigo an Yama left on him.

Lol so you saying Chang du someone who you barely seen fight can beat KS aizen lol you are to funny.

And how would you interpret a 'real' Bankai LOL. Kenpachi now has his 'real' Shikai, and its perfected. Kubo himself implied that Shunsui is Aizen level. Hollowfied Post-TS Bankai Hitsugaya stomped by base Aizen? Hell no. He freezes him as instantly as he froze Cang Du. You do realize that Quilge was not scarred at all after taking multiple Getsuga Tenshou right? And that Cang Du tanked Haschwalths slice, the same slice that easily broke Ichigo's rage Bankai in half. Giving him a scar is a pretty big deal. Soi Fon's Bankai >>> One Getsuga Tenshou.

Gremmy can't beat Aizen, if Kenpachi can **** his mind Aizen will troll him to death. Even strong willed people get trolled by KS, Gremmy doesn't have a chance

Gremmy beats Aizen. He drops a meteor, what counter would Aizen bring to the table then? KS is not saving him from a meteor. Gremmy can also just undo the illusion via imagination.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

And how would you interpret a 'real' Bankai LOL. Kenpachi now has his 'real' Shikai, and its perfected. Kubo himself implied that Shunsui is Aizen level. Hollowfied Post-TS Bankai Hitsugaya stomped by base Aizen? Hell no. He freezes him as instantly as he froze Cang Du. You do realize that Quilge was not scarred at all after taking multiple Getsuga Tenshou right? And that Cang Du tanked Haschwalths slice, the same slice that easily broke Ichigo's rage Bankai in half. Giving him a scar is a pretty big deal. Soi Fon's Bankai >>> One Getsuga Tenshou.



Gremmy beats Aizen. He drops a meteor, what counter would Aizen bring to the table then? KS is not saving him from a meteor. Gremmy can also just undo the illusion via imagination.

How would I interpret a real bankai? Um meaning he made it stronger not perfected it.....no it's different for zaraki he now his his "real" shikai meaning that's how it's really supposed to look....please give me a link of kubo saying kyoraku=aizen?....lol you ichigo beat quilge ass badly an Chang du tanked what he got killed by jugram so what you saying he cut threw his iron an if e did tank it what that mean? He still would lose to KS aizen 10 times out of ten...an yea hollowfied TS bankai hitsugiya loses to aizen his hollowfied stuff don't last long no way,an no aizen would never lose as fast a Chang do did are you kidding me please tell me you are?....lol giving his a scar is a big deal lol gtfo..

Bankai hollowfied ichigo spiritual pressure>>soi fon spirtual pressure...meaning his getsuga tensho>>>her missle

 

[-Akuma-]

Hitsugaya has perfected his Bankai, during the Arrancar Arc it was incomplete. Shunsui is as strong as Aizen, so just because Hitsugaya is not as strong as Bankai Shunsui does not mean he is not stronger then Shikai Shunsui. No one said Hitsugaya is as strong as Aizen, however he's most certainly stronger then base Aizen. And what durability feats does Aizen have that puts his durability above Barraggans? None.

Cang Du is stronger then Shikai Aizen, but weaker then Bankai Aizen.

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[Beetle]

He could have finished off Aizen without Suicide. He had Aizen in his grip, nothing would have stopped him from cutting Aizen to pieces right there and then. And that's not the point, point is, there are ways to counter KS, its not unbeatable like you make it out to be. Yamamoto's way is just one way to do it.



When have I ever assumed this? Breaking out of Genjutsu in Naruto either requires the character to have sufficient expertise in the area or have an outside party flow chakra through them. In Bleach, its been proven that having enough Reiatsu difference between the character and the attack nullifies the attack, Bambietta going Volstandig against Shinji's Shikai to nullify it or Cang Du going Volstandig to nullify Hitsugaya's Bankai are just some of the many examples of this.



Why don't you accept portrayal? Yes, Gremmy has limits, but nullifying Aizens Shikai is not outside of his imagination boundaries if dropping a meteor is within it. And what would hypnosis do exactly? Royd simply uses the same method that Yamamoto used to break out. Or he uses his Quincy Spell and take Aizen down without having to actually see him.

I hope you realize how little sense it makes to do what Yamamoto did if he didn't have to.. "Oh I could just slash him into pieces, but nah I'm gonna kill myself and errbody else"

Well, if you want to assume KS can be broken out of with reiatsu.. which sternritter could do it? Juha Bach fell for it, so I guess the other sternritter are stronger than Juha?

A simple example of how to beat Gremmy with KS would be to make him not witness his imagination turning into reality. Kenpachi simply cut through some of his imaginations and he almost spiraled to his death doubting himself. As for Royd, which Quincy spell are you talking about? I don't recall Royd being able to nuke the whole landscape.

 

[ssjelf]

A fullpowerd getsuga tensho only left a scar on his left chest/shoulder..I rest my case.

Thats actually a cut all the way through. Not just a scar.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Thats actually a cut all the way through. Not just a scar.

Lol an that cut did what? To aizen that cut was nothing he did not even look hurt at all.

 

[ssjelf]

Lol an that cut did what? To aizen that cut was nothing he did not even look hurt at all.

Because of Hogyoku hax. I think a lot of Aizens durability came passively from the hogyoku. He tanked hado 96 but put up danku for hado 88... I think that the hogyoku explains why aizen was as strong as he was in that fight. It is debatable, but I think Aizen in SS arc was weaker than the aizen who had the hogyoku in him, even before his transformation. He ran away from all the captains back then, but now he had no trouble with them.

And if KS is as op as people make it seem, why did he need wonderweiss? Why did Aizen stab yama and not KS him from far away? Well I think that when he stabbed yama, he had to use his real body because an illusion would not cause actual damage and when he stabbed yama, yama knew that aizen was right in front of him and was going to kill him. Kinda similar to how tosens bankai worked. Tosen would stab kenpachi but when he did that he was exposed. Point being that KS is not invincible, and aizen is prior to Hogyoku is high tier captain level I do not think he could beat every sternritter, a least a handful could beat them.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Because of Hogyoku hax. I think a lot of Aizens durability came passively from the hogyoku. He tanked hado 96 but put up danku for hado 88... I think that the hogyoku explains why aizen was as strong as he was in that fight. It is debatable, but I think Aizen in SS arc was weaker than the aizen who had the hogyoku in him, even before his transformation. He ran away from all the captains back then, but now he had no trouble with them.

And if KS is as op as people make it seem, why did he need wonderweiss? Why did Aizen stab yama and not KS him from far away? Well I think that when he stabbed yama, he had to use his real body because an illusion would not cause actual damage and when he stabbed yama, yama knew that aizen was right in front of him and was going to kill him. Kinda similar to how tosens bankai worked. Tosen would stab kenpachi but when he did that he was exposed. Point being that KS is not invincible, and aizen is prior to Hogyoku is high tier captain level I do not think he could beat every sternritter, a least a handful could beat them.

No not cuz of hogyoku it's cuz he's strong his spirtual pressure is very high...he did not know Yama kido was coming where as he knew the other guy 88 kido was coming so he blocked it with his own kido...run away from all captains? Lol first off Yama was there he already said he can't beat Yama straight up so of course he has to leave an come up with a plan to come out on top first.

PLOT my friend him stabbing Yama was plot..an yes ks is very op but like I said aizen already stated Yama zan was the strongest an to strong for him to fight against..lol what no one is being cut by an illusion you see an illusion the. The real aizen attacks you while your focused on the fake him...ks is really to op all aizen his to do is cut off his opponent heads but TK not just gone allow him to do so.

I never said he could beat all sterrnritter I said he would beat current hitsugiya..but with ks not to many sterrnritter stand a chance against him in battle.

 

[Phoenix110]

If Ks is his shikai and it can have such a scary ability as perfect hypnosis then I'd have to say Aizen is stronger than most of the sternritters