Unification of the world and Revolution

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So as reading Kingdom, this topic came into my mind. We all know at some point all of the current countries were small areas that united to become those countries. And now we are currently stuck in the "country" phase in the world (The 5 village system in Naruto).


So is it time for the unification of the world? Note that unification of the world does not mean no state governments and etc. It simply means humanity as a whole will be united. And i also know one thing, that if we were to unite, it would require great sacrifices, and a leader who can endure it all while still feeling compassionate and etc.



SOOOOOOO my questions are:

- Would you support the unification of the world?
- Do you think it should be united now?
- What do you think of the sacrifices required for it?
 

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What sort of unified government are we talking about here?
 

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No because I'm not a communist
 

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- Would you support the unification of the world?
It will happen, it wont be what we want ultimately, but its prophesied. That's why we need the second coming for Christ.

- Do you think it should be united now?
Things will get much worse before hand but its on its way regardless of what we want in the end. (I speak of circumstances)

- What do you think of the sacrifices required for it?
At first it will be pride and ego, then it will have to be ...pride and ego again. The first time it people will have to give up on the division lines set by political boarders and ideology. The second time will be trusting that we don't have the answer, we lack the correct perspective.
 

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Nope. There is America and then there is everyone else. I prefer to keep it that way
 

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It will never happen. There will always be discrimination among race with notions of superiority.

Those who have wealth will never feel themselves equal to or united with those that don't. So even if a world government ensues, the regions with more wealth will be the dominant control.
 

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Nope. There is America and then there is everyone else. I prefer to keep it that way

The Islamic State begs to differ with your demographic data.

More to the point:

Do we need our governments to 'be united' for us to be united?

Or do our governments have to be divided for us to be divided?

The U.S. is on the precipice of civil war, yet the government is very unified in what direction it wants to go.

The government of the U.S. seems to be hellbent on provoking a war with Russia while many people in the U.S. see Russia as more rational and sensible than our own government, at this point in time.

I think we are rapidly approaching a point in time where governments are, truly, almost unnecessary. I'm not for complete and total anarchy - but I am Libertarian in that aspect - the less a government does, the better. There are a very select few tasks the government should be involved in, and it should be carefully monitored.

The biggest lie that has been told in America is that democracy is to credit for our success.

It is not.

The fact that the government was so minimally involved in our lives for such a long time was why we were able to become a great nation. The lie that democracy was the reason for our greatness simply propagated the idea of 'mob rule' as opposed to a constitutional republic with rigidly defined authorities/limitations.

As such, a 'unified government' would generally be opposed by me. There is absolutely nothing a unified government could do that my own isn't already failing spectacularly at trying to do (and that an even larger government wouldn't turn into an even worse failure).

Giving governments the power to take us to war is the problem more so than the lack of a unified people/government.
 

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The world isn't ready I don't think. A unified human race I do not oppose, but a unified government I will oppose every time it's brought up. Too much power for one entity to have.
 

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Kingdom is my favourite manga.

Anywho, I don't think a global unification of mankind has anything to do with politics perse. If it's politics, it's done without our consent. I think it's a spiritual loss and maybe somehow there will be a switch in the way we perceive ourselves and the world and start feeling the "unity in diversity". The world is round, has no borders..we created artificial boundaries and the label "illegal immigrant" as if we have the right to deny a person that wants to migrate his/her birth right to travel.

We need to first go back to the law of nature and abolish the law of men. We can start off by fighting for our freedoms and promote self sustainability. Resource based economies and form militia to protect people that invent things like a car running on water (true story). The Feds threatened and killed people who invent things that, on a large scale, make government involvement obsolete. There most certainly is a spiritual war going on and that is the war for our status as "human beings" and breaking free from the label "human doings". We've become property.
 

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I don't think it's possible, and it's not gonna solve much anyway.
 

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The Islamic State begs to differ with your demographic data.

More to the point:

Do we need our governments to 'be united' for us to be united?

Or do our governments have to be divided for us to be divided?

The U.S. is on the precipice of civil war, yet the government is very unified in what direction it wants to go.

The government of the U.S. seems to be hellbent on provoking a war with Russia while many people in the U.S. see Russia as more rational and sensible than our own government, at this point in time.

I think we are rapidly approaching a point in time where governments are, truly, almost unnecessary. I'm not for complete and total anarchy - but I am Libertarian in that aspect - the less a government does, the better. There are a very select few tasks the government should be involved in, and it should be carefully monitored.

The biggest lie that has been told in America is that democracy is to credit for our success.

It is not.

The fact that the government was so minimally involved in our lives for such a long time was why we were able to become a great nation. The lie that democracy was the reason for our greatness simply propagated the idea of 'mob rule' as opposed to a constitutional republic with rigidly defined authorities/limitations.

As such, a 'unified government' would generally be opposed by me. There is absolutely nothing a unified government could do that my own isn't already failing spectacularly at trying to do (and that an even larger government wouldn't turn into an even worse failure).

Giving governments the power to take us to war is the problem more so than the lack of a unified people/government.
Judging from how our citizens are in america nowadays.. and how many people don't even like participating in politics. And the amount of people who rely on "law enforcement" to enforce law, instead of practicing their rights as the citizen to follow and make sure others follow the law.

I do think a government is nescessary. The world will always need a "big daddy" to give people a slap on the wrist. Due to the fact, that there are such things as Gangs/terrorists/mafia/cartel and etc. And what I have found weird is that governments tend to focus on exterior threats rather than interior threats.

Kingdom is my favourite manga.

Anywho, I don't think a global unification of mankind has anything to do with politics perse. If it's politics, it's done without our consent. I think it's a spiritual loss and maybe somehow there will be a switch in the way we perceive ourselves and the world and start feeling the "unity in diversity". The world is round, has no borders..we created artificial boundaries and the label "illegal immigrant" as if we have the right to deny a person that wants to migrate his/her birth right to travel.

We need to first go back to the law of nature and abolish the law of men. We can start off by fighting for our freedoms and promote self sustainability. Resource based economies and form militia to protect people that invent things like a car running on water (true story). The Feds threatened and killed people who invent things that, on a large scale, make government involvement obsolete. There most certainly is a spiritual war going on and that is the war for our status as "human beings" and breaking free from the label "human doings". We've become property.
oooo who is your fav character?

See thats the big problem here. As long as this country system exists, or seperate groups exist, there will be those who are rich and mighty, and then there will be those who are poor as hell and living in dumps (literally). So because of that I do believe a Unified government is necessary, to have a unified humanity. Because to some/most governments represent leadership. And if the leaders are united then, the people will follow (most likely).


And what do you mean by "human doings"?

It will never happen. There will always be discrimination among race with notions of superiority.

Those who have wealth will never feel themselves equal to or united with those that don't. So even if a world government ensues, the regions with more wealth will be the dominant control.

Not necessarily. Yes i agree discrimination will always exist. However, it will not if people are taught that they are united.

As far as wealth goes, that is the flaw in democracy, and the answer in communism. A true government in my opinion requires both communism and democracy, rather than only 1.
 
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- Would you support the unification of the world?
Nope,my interest first.
- Do you think it should be united now?
not really,countries need to be friendly
- What do you think of the sacrifices required for it?
It is imaginary to do something like that in the real world.

The unification can happen when countries are friendly and aid each other. Some countries have open border and aid each other in solving problems,that is the extent it can happen.

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People don't like each other. Border exists for a reason.It is to keep harm away.
You remove borders then what? Can you ever share resources or anything equally?
without being unfair and not making one group of people sad/angry.
how will resource pooling work?
What about nukes and military?
Something like globalization could be the answer and if no grouping exists after some centuries,if humanity survives.
 

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Judging from how our citizens are in america nowadays.. and how many people don't even like participating in politics. And the amount of people who rely on "law enforcement" to enforce law, instead of practicing their rights as the citizen to follow and make sure others follow the law.

I do think a government is nescessary. The world will always need a "big daddy" to give people a slap on the wrist. Due to the fact, that there are such things as Gangs/terrorists/mafia/cartel and etc. And what I have found weird is that governments tend to focus on exterior threats rather than interior threats.

The main problem with the U.S. is that we have created "big daddy" - but taken away his belt.

For example - let's say you want to start up a business. You need a license for that. The license requires, at a minimum, a flat rate fee to the government - thousands of dollars in some cases. Thus, operating a business out of your garage goes out the window.

Further - you don't actually own that garage in many areas. What happens if you don't pay your property taxes on things you have already bought and paid for? The government takes them away and sells them to someone else at auction. So you must make, at a bare minimum, enough money to cover your property taxes or someone shows up to take away the things you have bought for your business.

All of the good little boys and girls who try to follow the rules end up with the only practical option being to ***** out their skills to employers. Which isn't, in and of itself, a bad thing - but since everyone seems to view employment as their only practical option - obviously, we must start imposing laws on these 'employers.'

We set things like minimum wage (because, as an adult, I can't see when someone is going to pay me less than I can afford for the job) and non-discrimination laws (how dare you not hire the male applying for the wait-staff position at hooters), as well as require them to provide 'benefits' as if every employer is sitting atop a gold mine or printing press they are jealously hoarding from us common folk.

The mob turns its wrath against those with the audacity to make something that people want to buy and hire others to help make more.

And the politicians eat it up. They're your gladiators. They will champion your fight against those who have wronged you. To the wood-chipper with anyone who is not waving the rainbow flag with you! Paint the streets red with their bigoted blood! Just vote for them and all those who stand in the way of what you deserve will be destroyed.

Which is why these same politicians turn in support of the riots in Ferguson.

They seed the message in those demographics: "It's hopeless.... you will never have a decent job, you will never achieve your dreams... because -they- don't want you to. Just look at how all of the other areas have shopping malls and booming industries - they could be here, too - but they choose not to be. They hate you."

So steal from the businesses in the area and burn down any one of them that call the law.

All branches of the same tree. All made by the same mentality.

The government shouldn't have that much power. It shouldn't have that much control. If you want to cook up some food in your kitchen and sell it on the street corner - the more power to you. If you want to manufacture vehicles in your garage and sell them to people who are willing to buy them - the more power to you. If someone wants to hire you to wire their home - more power to the both of you.

No one should have the power to come along and say: "No, you can't do that." Certainly not with a: "Unless you pay me money to say you can" addendum.

That would make situations in Ferguson much less likely.

But here is where there -is- a government role.

The riots in Ferguson were a direct challenge to local and state sovereignty. As such, they are a force attempting to usurp the government. Police response should have been redirected to managing refugees and the national guard called in. The national guard should have ordered them all into detainment camps for processing using any force necessary to elicit compliance.

Processing would entail tribunals to determine who would stand trial for the crime of treason and those who were convicted of treason executed by hanging. Those dismissed of charges would be allowed to return home after the trials have completed (and they would be completed within three months' time; either the evidence to convict is there or it isn't - if it isn't - let them go; I don't believe in protracted trials of insanity - if you can't figure out whether to fine them or kill them within the first three months, then they should be let go - and that applies to all crimes - I don't believe in Jails - either you get a slap on the wrist in terms of a financial debt, you don't belong amongst us, or you aren't scary enough for the government to worry about you).

The government is not a means of lording over people. No one needs you to make decisions for them or to try to make them live a better life.

The only thing that people need to be told not to do is to lord over each other. Then, the heavens should open up and smite them.

Far too many philosopher tyrants running around these days who like to think they are going to save you from yourself because their college professor made them feel smart.
 

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Not necessarily. Yes i agree discrimination will always exist. However, it will not if people are taught that they are united.

As far as wealth goes, that is the flaw in democracy, and the answer in communism. A true government in my opinion requires both communism and democracy, rather than only 1.

Well we are taught that murder is wrong, yet people still do it. It's human nature.

There will always be people that think they're better or that they're skin color/heritage/culture is better. Unique cultures will never die away and forcing groups to adapt a new culture will only makes those groups revolt.


I don't think true communism is possible. The idea is nice, but we've already seen it play out many times. For communism to work, everyone must be considered equal.

But how can a leader be considered equal to the people he governs? Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Communism's practice is abused and morphed into dictatorships most often then not.

For something like communism to work, the leaders have to completely believe in the cause and put the cause ahead of their own well-being.

As long as greed exists, communism will never work.



Not only that, but there's also the flaw with the wealth distribution. For everyone is to be considered equal, then wealth must be shared in order to get rid the notion of class.

But if a Garbage man is being paid the same as a Doctor, then that too will lead to massive problems. It's just something impossible to balance.
 
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