The flaw in Naruto's plan

[narutoblitz]

Inspired by a thread of a similar title. In the real world, love, peace and friendship do not always prevail. People do not always understand each other. Hate will always exist in the world, and the answer to Pain's question is that we have to deal with the hate and resist it and compromise. Hate cannot be eliminated from the world, and neither can disagreement.

Expecting people to always cooperate is not how the real world works. People are selfish, even in manga. The nations will always hunt the bijuu. Naruto cannot stand alone against the 5 nations and he cannot lead Konoha while dealing with all 9 TB. If Naruto became Hokage as Jinch of the 9 beasts it'd lead to another war because the other nations would think Konoha is too powerful.

 

[Dr Doom]

Naruto and Sasuke are in a political campaign it seems like. What do you think should be done from a political perspective?

 

[take it easy]

It's not his plan , it's his beliefs.

 

[V h o]

All the other kages are still behind naruto (support) and the bijuu are not even under his control; he has a small amount of their chakra.

 

[narutoblitz]

To put it more bluntly, the problem with Naruto's beliefs is they are just too naive and idealistic. People don't always understand each other. Love and friendship doesn't always lead to peace. Kishimoto is taking a bold step and declaring that Shonen manga's tradition is wrong. It takes more than just love and understanding to change the world.

It also takes hate and pain. Yin and Yang. Neither light alone nor darkness alone changes anything. The idea that people can just exist in some ideal world and have no conflict is absurd and childish, just like Naruto's silly ideals.

I mean yeah, it is a manga world. But letting the TB roam free? Leaving all 5 nations to their own devices? That's ridiculous, and in no way would lead to peace. Naruto would become hunted again by the other villages, because they'd never leave 1 person with that much power.

 

[iBrezeeh]

Inspired by my thread, right? Lol

But yeah, I agree.

 

[Draxus]

Do people really expect some realistic answer to world peace in the world world through a friggin Manga?

 

[culinaryg]

well to be honest im pretty sure kishi will have the wrong answer for peace too otherwise the world we live in today will actually have found peace already


either way democracy n communism has their pros n cons just ask the history channel but i definitely prefer narutos plan cuz it involves no sacrifices


evil will pop out of nowhere once naruto n sasuke gets too old n dies

 

[narutoblitz]

Do people really expect some realistic answer to world peace in the world world through a friggin Manga?

No of course not, but it needs to be internally consistent. Ay singing peace songs with Naruto and letting Konoha walk off with all 9 TB and the sage's heirs is not something that makes sense from their village's perspective. It'd start new distrust and hostilities. Sasuke plans to unite the world through hate and sever the past (TB, Naruto, Sage chakra).

Inspired by my thread, right? Lol

But yeah, I agree.

Yep. The answer to peace is what Nagato's question was to Naruto. I'm not sure we've heard a coherent answer from naruto *or* sasuke yet about that.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

The problem I have is that while Naruto's plan is unrealistic, so's Sasuke's. I think both are wayyyyy too extreme in their views, and both would be terrible hokages, though Sasuke would be far worse. Sasuke's blind to the world around him, Naruto's blind to reality. Both are terrible plans, and both are terribly unrealistic. The thing about Naruto is at least he's sane and rational and has widespread support, Sasuke has none of that which makes him an inherently worse leader.

 

[Draxus]

No of course not, but it needs to be internally consistent. Ay singing peace songs with Naruto and letting Konoha walk off with all 9 TB and the sage's heirs is not something that makes sense from their village's perspective. It'd start new distrust and hostilities. Sasuke plans to unite the world through hate and sever the past (TB, Naruto, Sage chakra).

This is not Naruto's plan, the beast are to be free to do what they want. Far as I know Naruto hasn't stated any actually plan at all. He's just trying to save his friend. There is no sage's heir in a literal sense. You have no idea what the villages perspective is regarding the status of the tailed beast so you can't speak on it's consistency.

I get you like Sasuke's plan, but you can't unite the world through hate of one person, even if you could it would only last as long as that person lives or is free. It's the definition of short sighted.

 

[Trea]

They need to compromise. Hiruzen was right. The village has light and dark side. Danzo's version of dark was wrong because it was hidden and no one but Danzo knew what he was doing. Hiruzen was wrong in not supervising him. Sasuke wants the darkness to be right out in the open where everyone can see it, and it should be, he's right about that.

Naruto is right in that killing is not the answer and that friendship and working together are important. Some things can only be accomplished by working together. Naruto has to realize that sometimes only a show of force and power is the only thing that works and sometimes killing is necessary. It should only be a last resort, but could be necessary none the less.

There is a lot that will have to be worked out after the war but it's going to have to start with Naruto and Sasuke compromising first.

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

Hate isn't the problem of the world.. it's a lack of understanding, a lack of knowledge, a lack of enlightenment, it's willfull ignorance. and it all boils down to fear. a select few people can control a entire world as long as they keep them stupid fearfull, create internal confusion in people so they will give up their power and control over themselves to external factors (them.. the powers that be), while they keep living in a bubble having taken the blue pill.

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[Honord Sage]

Change comes from the hearth not from the sword. Naruto seeks to change peoples hearths but Sasuke seeks to change things at the point of His sword. That a big difference. Sasuke is now a terrorist just like guys in Syria and Iraq.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

Inspired by a thread of a similar title. In the real world, love, peace and friendship do not always prevail. People do not always understand each other. Hate will always exist in the world, and the answer to Pain's question is that we have to deal with the hate and resist it and compromise. Hate cannot be eliminated from the world, and neither can disagreement.

Expecting people to always cooperate is not how the real world works. People are selfish, even in manga. The nations will always hunt the bijuu. Naruto cannot stand alone against the 5 nations and he cannot lead Konoha while dealing with all 9 TB. If Naruto became Hokage as Jinch of the 9 beasts it'd lead to another war because the other nations would think Konoha is too powerful.

Please give a statement of Naruto's plan before you criticize it. When you want to review something, you state it, point the meaning, then give your understanding.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

So, since hate will always exist, the answer is to simply either enslave everyone through violence and hatred, because, that makes sense, right? I think Naruto honestly has a profound way of viewing things. As Dr. king said "Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that" sometimes, fighting fire with fire only results in an even bigger flame, Naruto's plan may not end all hatred, it may not create eternal peace, but, as you said, such things are impossible anyway. Also, why is love such a bad thing? If you really look at the series, the most f*cked up people are all the ones deprived of love! doesn't that tell you something? Sure, hate will always exist, sure, there will always be darkness, but love can, has, and will help to extinguish all of that.

 

[Seventh Sama]

This is fiction, Everyone can become good if kishi wants it to happen.

 

[Queequeg]

Naruto is the lesser of two evils.


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[MysticLeviathan]

Naruto is the lesser of two evils.


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