[Discussion] Hyuuga and towards the sun

[Meowazziel]

Hyuuga means towards the sun.

This is kinda confusing to me, because of the following:

Kaguya is the oldest Byakugan user that we know.
There doesnt seem to be anything sun related about her.
If anything, she seems to be more about the moon than the sun.

The moon seals can seal her. She is sealed in the moon.
Mugen Tsukuyomi is about the moon.
In japanese myths/stories (not Naruto related), the character Kaguya, is from the moon.
There are also japanese myths/stories about a moon rabbit.
The Kaguya in Naruto is, among other names, called the Rabbit demon. She has rabbit like ears on her head and her sort of bijoulike form was that of a rabbit.
So she seems more based on the Kaguya and moon rabbit from myths/stories (Kishi often gets inspiration from such sources) than that she has to do something with the sun.

What do the Hyuuga know about their origins?
That is something I wonder.
Like did they call themselfs Hyuuga on purpose, as in, going in an opposite direction (from moon to sun)?

The manga does not give all the answers, but we can theorize and discuss about it.

What do you think?

 

[ANiMUS]

I am pretty sure that Kishimoto came up with the Hyuuga clan before he ever thought of Kaguya and

I am pretty sure he came up with that clan name just for NH

 

[Gerkak]

I am pretty sure that Kishimoto came up with the Hyuuga clan before he ever thought of Kaguya and

I am pretty sure he came up with that clan name just for NH

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Meowazziel]

I am pretty sure that Kishimoto came up with the Hyuuga clan before he ever thought of Kaguya and

I am pretty sure he came up with that clan name just for NH

Could you elaborate on that last sentence?

 

[Nelmanaly]

The moon is towards the sun the sun lights the moon

 

[Meowazziel]

The moon is towards the sun the sun lights the moon

True, you could see it in such a way.
Naruto could light Hinata her heart, just as the sun lights the moon .

 

[RedShadow]

True, you could see it in such a way.
Naruto could light Hinata her heart, just as the sun lights the moon .

Are you promoting NaruHina?

 

[Draxus]

Kaguya obviously wasn't the progenitor of the Hyuga clan, there is no direct link between the clan and Kaguya other than that doujutsu. Clearly it was a descendant of Hamura who founded it.

 

[Meowazziel]

Kaguya obviously wasn't the progenitor of the Hyuga clan, there is no direct link between the clan and Kaguya other than that doujutsu. Clearly it was a descendant of Hamura who founded it.

Hamura got his eyes from Kaguya, so its still important where Kaguya came from in this whole thing. Like how much know the Hyuuga about their history and eyes origins.

Are you promoting NaruHina?

Naruto lighting her heart sounded beautiful. That is why I mentioned it.
I wouldnt mind if Naruto ends up with Sakura though (although I dont find that likely anymore after her latest speech to Sasuke).
At this point it is not surprising if he doesnt end up with either btw.

 

[Ohhdang]

Kaguya has nothing to do with the name Hyuuga regardless of what it means. Just because she is the progenitor with the Byakugan doesn't mean she has relation with the meaning of the name of a clan who was founded years and years after her.

 

[Meowazziel]

Kaguya has nothing to do with the name Hyuuga regardless of what it means. Just because she is the progenitor with the Byakugan doesn't mean she has relation with the meaning of the name of a clan who was founded years and years after her.

If the Hyuuga are aware of their origin in some way, just like the Uchiha can be through the tablet, than it can matter where she is from.

 

[Ohhdang]

If the Hyuuga are aware of their origin in some way, just like the Uchiha can be through the tablet, than it can matter where she is from.

Regardless of if they knew of their origin it wouldn't matter at all because their choice to name the clan Hyuuga doesn't relate to Kaguya and what she represents at all. The Uchiha tablet was written by Hagoromo true but he never called it the Uchiha tablet, the Uchiha ancestors did. Even if Hamura made a Hyuuga tablet or a way to view their clan history (which it would be him if there was one), he wouldn't name it that, the clan would. So if what you are saying is correct, then you might as well say the these clans were formed from the tablet and what they read off them which we know for sure is not the case

 

[Draxus]

Hamura got his eyes from Kaguya, so its still important where Kaguya came from in this whole thing. Like how much know the Hyuuga about their history and eyes origins.

Well we know where the eye came from, as for the clan's origins, I don't' think that's important at all. At least not to the plot of the manga.

If the Hyuuga are aware of their origin in some way, just like the Uchiha can be through the tablet, than it can matter where she is from.

But they're not, so it isn't.

 

[Honord Sage]

Theirs a prefecture in Japan call Hyuga. Was ruled By Hyuga Samurai Clan in Feudal times.

 

[phoenixstark]

Let us remember that we do not know much about the origins of Kaguya. Surely it was an alien, we do not know what planet he came and by whom it was created. We do not know anything either about the father of Hamura and Hagoromo, that he was having some connection with the sun?
In the manga, he talked about the secret of the Byakugan, but what would it be? As the eyes of the Uchiha and so you just transplant. What sense does the cadet branch, if in the end you just steal the eyes of a Hyuga to possess the Byakugan?
Even the cursed seal has to do with the sun.

 

[Aim64C]

Hyuuga means towards the sun.

This is kinda confusing to me, because of the following:

Kaguya is the oldest Byakugan user that we know.
There doesnt seem to be anything sun related about her.
If anything, she seems to be more about the moon than the sun.

The moon seals can seal her. She is sealed in the moon.
Mugen Tsukuyomi is about the moon.
In japanese myths/stories (not Naruto related), the character Kaguya, is from the moon.
There are also japanese myths/stories about a moon rabbit.
The Kaguya in Naruto is, among other names, called the Rabbit demon. She has rabbit like ears on her head and her sort of bijoulike form was that of a rabbit.
So she seems more based on the Kaguya and moon rabbit from myths/stories (Kishi often gets inspiration from such sources) than that she has to do something with the sun.

What do the Hyuuga know about their origins?
That is something I wonder.
Like did they call themselfs Hyuuga on purpose, as in, going in an opposite direction (from moon to sun)?

The manga does not give all the answers, but we can theorize and discuss about it.

What do you think?

The manga has already given us the answer.

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All is explained in the key.

The sun in Taoism is the concept of light - of yang. The darkness is the concept of Yin - shapeless, formless, etc. The moon is the cycling of Yin and Yang - Taiji and Wuji - which creates the 'tides' of the Four Movements - which then create the Eight Trigrams - or Bagua, that belie what is called the 'mundane' world in Taoist Alchemy.

The mundane world is largely a destined product that can be thought of as ripples in a pool of water set off by each drop of water. Splashing about in the pool sets off a series of events that are inescapable - they are destined - and can be divined through the I-Ching which makes use of the 64 hexagrams - which is the phases of cycling between the Bagua.

In certain segments of Taoism, a spiral has been used to represent the relationship between Taiji and Wuji - and the moon has always been used as a symbol of the Bagua and the transition from TaiYin to TaiYang. This is especially important within Taoist Alchemy - which is the process of attaining "True Yang" - or the "Elixir of Immortality" - originally gifted to the emperor of Japan by Kaguya-Hime before it was tossed into Mt. Fuji (an active volcano at the time) - since the Emperor did not wish to live forever without his beloved Kaguya.

The fruit of the God Tree is the Elixir of Immortality - the Golden Flower, in some references.

It is the essence of true Yang - of Taiji. With it, new destiny can be cast - true action can be taken. It is the spark of creation - the ability to truly do without doing.

The Hyuuga likely know far more about their origins than they have let on.

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Among Chinese and Japanese spiritual beliefs - the "swastika" is a common symbol for the sun:

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This has been simplified in many traditions to be the square, also.

Which harkens back to the key.

The square in the upper left hand corner. What is it?

It's the sun - the square is the symbol for the sun goddess, Amaterasu (within Shinto lore).

The center - a circle - the symbol for the sun god Tsukuyomi.

The eight (minus one - Lightning - the element of division, precisely what the key is intended to alter within the seal) bagua - triangles - the symbol for Susano'o - the god of the tempest and stars (which were navigational aids back in the day).

As one image clearly poses the question:

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Do you remember the comment made by Naruto?

Spoiler

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It's interesting - because a while prior to that - I speculated:

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We have not seen the last of Kaguya.

There's a whole lot more coming in this manga - like the real plot of the manga. Sasuke has been like a 600 chapter long filler arc that wore out its welcome after the second flash-back we were subjected to.

 

[NewMaster7]

Hyuuga means towards the sun.

This is kinda confusing to me, because of the following:

Kaguya is the oldest Byakugan user that we know.
There doesnt seem to be anything sun related about her.
If anything, she seems to be more about the moon than the sun.

The moon seals can seal her. She is sealed in the moon.
Mugen Tsukuyomi is about the moon.
In japanese myths/stories (not Naruto related), the character Kaguya, is from the moon.
There are also japanese myths/stories about a moon rabbit.
The Kaguya in Naruto is, among other names, called the Rabbit demon. She has rabbit like ears on her head and her sort of bijoulike form was that of a rabbit.
So she seems more based on the Kaguya and moon rabbit from myths/stories (Kishi often gets inspiration from such sources) than that she has to do something with the sun.

What do the Hyuuga know about their origins?
That is something I wonder.
Like did they call themselfs Hyuuga on purpose, as in, going in an opposite direction (from moon to sun)?

The manga does not give all the answers, but we can theorize and discuss about it.

What do you think?

Hyuuga could just be an interpretation of the light reflecting "from the sun"
thus explaining MT's flash of light in initiation.
Naruto's seal is a sun
Sasuke is a crescent moon
together they make a waxing moon in which the sun is shining predominantly on the moon.

kishi most likely used a crescent so it wouldn't have been cheesy....two full circles overlapping...