Itachi responded to something possessing a caliber of speed that a PS slash couldn't possibly hope to accomplish. In fact, the speed of a PS slash isn't even anywhere that of what Itachi responded to. Until you show me feats of it being able to reach the speed under a millisecond then Itachi is responding to it.
Except, no one ever said he can't respond to it. Multiple times now, I've stated that he can't evade it.
@Underlined, that was sheer reaction speed right in that scan. Reaction time: the interval of time between application of a stimulus and detection of a response; his reflexes come into play, yes, but Madara managed to respond to Tobirama's incoming slash by acting in the interval between his sword managing contact and it not, regardless of how fluent his reflexes are. That is, by the very definition, reaction speed.
Then I might be using the wrong term, because that's not what I'm referring to.
I fail to see how Minato's physical speed is the same as his reaction time as they are two different things. However, while they might not be exact they're certainly on par. B canonically reacted to Amaterasu and V2 Ay multiple times and Ay was a centimeter away from blitzing Minato. In fact,
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and if B can respond to things on Ay-level speed and Minato can (albeit barely) then that means he is on par with Minato as well.
I didn't say that it was, though my wording may have given off that impression. Minato's reflexes>>>his physical speed. Its like this for every one.
-B had no idea Amaterasu was coming. He put his arm up by chance, not because he was fast enough to react. Not to mention that means nothing as Minato reacted to Ay who was able to dodge Amaterasu.
-Lol. B never once reacted to V2 Ay's Shunshin. He only reacted to Ay running toward him, which isn't impressive. Unless you think that B moves as fast as V2 Ay in Base. Which is obviously false. So no, B doesn't have a reaction feat that lets him physically react to things as fast as Top Speed Ay.
Bee has no excuse for his reaction time not keeping up with Itachi's speed.
I'll concede this point.
Him saying "On it" doesn't mean that he knew where Itachi was. In fact if Bee knew Itachi was behind him why would Itachi bother warning him in the first place?
Because Itachi didn't know that B knew? Lol, simple. What clearly implies that he knew where Itachi was is him saying "On it" and not having any exclamation or question marks above him like the first time Itachi surprised him.
But nonetheless, you've proved that B's reactions and speed are below Itachi's.
I didn't mean to imply that Itachi's reaction time is on par with sound. In actuality it's in a completely different league so that comparison doesn't mean much. His reaction time is able to respond to things as quick as a millisecond. His reaction time is [
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] Sure,
he responded to Kirin via Susano'o, but he'd be physically able to respond to it via foot speed and or Shunshin since PS slashes have never shown to be able to get anywhere close to the speed of a millisecond.
Mental processes occur so much incomparably faster than physical movements that the bold isn't sound evidence for you to say that since he can mentally react to Kirin, he can evade a slash faster than the one Juubito himself couldn't evade..unless you think that Itachi is faster than Juubito?
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] He was able to use Susano'o to protect himself but Zetsu took it even further and, knowing the speed of a lightning bolt, fl
at out stated he should of been able to dodge it entirely. That alone speaks volumes.
I really hope that you are joking with this. He said that he was hit by things that should have responded to with ease, he did respond to Kirin, and he blocked it with Susanoo. So Zetsu's statement doesn't include Kirin. Not to mention you have no evidence that every attack that hit Itachi was an attack that he would have dodged with ease. He simply said he was hit with attacks he should have dodged, not that every attack he got hit with was an attack he should have been able to dodge.
Itachi isn't dodging Kirin on foot. Susanoo activates nigh instantaneously yet Kirin was so fast that no one even saw Susanoo active before it was smashed. Itachi is never moving that fast. Never.
Also, even though he can easily respond to a PS slash with raw foot speed and Shunshin, I question whether or not he even needs to. Whatever version of Susano'o he whipped out tanked Kirin, something that literally obliterated something the size of the entirety of a mountain, whereas a PS slash only cut the top of one. Not to mention that since it's slower than a millisecond Itachi would be able to enter the next version of his Susano'o in order to receive no damage at all.
Oh. My. God....:| Did you just say that Itachi can tank PS's slash?
-Madara cut these Mountains.
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-Which are obviously much larger than this Small Mountain/Large Hill that Kirin destroyed.
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There's also the fact that PS was stated to rival the Bijuu in power, thus its attacks are on par with a standard Bijuu Dama. There is also the fact that its a cutting attack, thus it takes that energy and effects a much smaller surface area than Kirin would on Itachi's Susanoo. Thus more concentrated damage.
AoE isn't the determinant of attack strength. That's a logical fallacy.
Not that all of that matters as much. He still possesses the means to nimbly and easily dodge a PS slash.
Yeah, no. If Juubito couldn't evade it, the slower Itachi isn't doing it either. Madara has the same EMS precognition, he's faster, and he has a superior Susanoo all around.
Here's the problem with that. A no logical fallacy may be exactly that: a fallacy; but that's only in reality. Fiction is fake and thoughts brought up by imaginary means; in no way is it realistic. DC, Marvel, etc, and so many more have contributed a "no limits logical fallacy" to their stories and they were able to do so simply because their stories are fiction. I don't see why Kishimoto can't do the same here as well. Fiction breaks your normal boundaries of perception. That "no limit fallacy" can't be used here.
No Limits Fallacy only refers to fictional arguments via fictional universes. How in the world can you say it doesn't apply to finction when literally every example given in the page I linked you to, is from a fictional universe. The funny thing is, Itachi is the example they use. Lol
Why not? Nobody restricted specific versions of the Gedo Mazo.
When I said it can't do that, I meant that its not strong enough to pull it off.
Not happening. Itachi avoids it for reasons stated above and Nagato sends one sword flying with an ST and avoids the other by sensing where the shockwave will go and flying above it.
Lol. Are we seriously implying that Itachi and Nagato are going to physically evade an attack faster than Sasuke's PS swing, with a guy who has equal precognition to the same guy who tagged Juubito? Who is many many many times faster than both of them?
Because Itachi obviously won't be sending it straight to his face. He'd send it around while Nagato uses ST in coordination with the Gedo's brute strength in order to prevent giving Madara an opportunity to have his attention elsewhere.
Um, eventually it'll arrive at the face since it needs eye contact to land Genjutsu. That's also assuming the crow can use Genjutsu on its own. Itachi had to program KA to activate on its own. Never implied that he can do that with regular Genjutsu.
And Nagato's Shinra Tensei aren't even going to budge Susanoo, and the Gedo's brute strength is nothing. One slash=GG Gedo Mazo.
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Size doesn't translate to strength. Stopping a Mountain Jutsu doesn't mean he'll physically overpower Susanoo, or tank its sword slashes. Cause its not going to happen.
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, knocking it off its feet, combined with continous shots of
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will be able to keep the PS down long enough for Itachi's crow to appear in front of Madara. When its on its back Itachi can either have Shisui's eye use Genjutsu in order to
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or have Itachi focus his Amaterasu on the bottom of one of the Susano'o's feet, weaking the defense on the given spot, followed up by a combination of multitudes of Yasaka Beads, chakra missiles, and Futon:Reppusho on the already weakened defense so Itachi can elongate the Totsuka no Tsurugi, throw Yasaka Magatamas, have Nagato throw chakra missiles, one-shot him with Amaterasu, etc, inside of the hole of his defense in order to force him to jump outside of it, leaving him wide open to any of the previous stated array of attacks that would kill him.
That shockwave's best feat is knocking Choji on the floor. Bijuu Dama didn't cause Susanoo to budge. No way is it knocking Susanoo off its feet no matter how you slice it. And unless that is much stronger than a Bijuu Dama (Which its not since it didn't completely destroy the Mountain Sandwich while Bijuu Dama vaporize larger Mountains., continuous shots of it aren't doing anything. It tanks it, and powers through it.
Genjutsu isn't happening. If the crow gets anywhere near PS, it dies to a sword slash.
-Amaterasu isn't burning through Susanoo. Not with the terrible offensive feats it has.
-The rest doesn't even come close to Bijuu Dama, which didn't do anything to Susanoo, so how you think its doing anything here amazes me. Tossing a bunch of weak attacks at Madara isn't going to do anything to him.
Gedo can't tank PS slashes. It dies.
Overpowering Choji and Choza doesn't lead me to believe it'll overpower PS. Especially when KCM Naruto and B were slapping it around.
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