Why weren't Uchiha Jinchuurikis?
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Yes, it does.
Uzumaki, Senju have strong bodies, able to withstand bijuu host/extraction. Let alone them having sharingan, or rinnegan, which in turn may prohibit them from drawbacks that those eyes usually have with the Uchiha bodies.
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You don't get it. Nagato and Hashirama can't be put in the same sentence in overall ability, just like Shisui and Madara, for example can't. So, if Madara needed Hashirama's cells to become a Jin, imagine what Shisui would need. That's why Nagato became so skinny and weak-looking. His body probably couldn't withstand the Rinnegan entirely. The same logic applies to Uchihas and their ability, if they were to be able to host a Bijuu.
I see what you're saying, but hypothetically, If Shisui had the same overall objective of becoming juubi jin, his body is not capable of hosting it without Senju/Uzumaki DNA additives. You're talking about abilities, I'm talking about genetics.
Nagato was very skinny because of a summoning jutsu he performed in his past, where he summoned the Outer Path Demonic Statue, which looks almost exactly like the statue they seal the Tailed Beasts in. When he summoned it, it injected numerous black rods into his back, and either fed on his life force, his chakra, or his body's own nutrition to attack. When the summoning disappeared, the black rods remained pierced into Nagato's back, and he was still skinny and emaciated. Anybody else would have perished from those effects alone, but his body withstood them.
I think that it might be possible for an Uchiha to be a jinchuriki, but why would they want to when they could control them with their eyes without having to do that? They were a powerful clan that rivaled the Senju for a long time. The Senju had powerful bodies and the Uchiha had powerful eyes. I think that they had to have powerful bodies to a certain extent to wield those powerful eyes just not bodies as powerful as a Senju.
If you depended on your eyes for battle why would you want to take a chance that as a jinchuriki your body and stamina would be taxed even more. B was the first one to become a perfect jinchuriki. Most TB did not cooperate with their hosts unless their host was threatened. Cooperation was a hit or miss thing.
Why take the chance when it was apparently known that Uchiha were able to control them with their eyes? Also they were a proud and noble clan who were already feared for their eye power, why be ostracized and feared more if not necessary? Naruto, B and Gaara were all picked on as children because of it. I don't see the Uchiha allowing one of their own to go through that.
If you depended on your eyes for battle why would you want to take a chance that as a jinchuriki your body and stamina would be taxed even more. B was the first one to become a perfect jinchuriki. Most TB did not cooperate with their hosts unless their host was threatened. Cooperation was a hit or miss thing.
Why take the chance when it was apparently known that Uchiha were able to control them with their eyes? Also they were a proud and noble clan who were already feared for their eye power, why be ostracized and feared more if not necessary? Naruto, B and Gaara were all picked on as children because of it. I don't see the Uchiha allowing one of their own to go through that.
Uzumakis' have good life-force. That's it. The rest of it is clearly made-up. No where in the manga is it stated that Uzumakis' are ideal Jins, or that Senjus were ideal Jins. In fact, the latter has nothing to back this up.
Yes, Uzumakis do have good longevity and life force due to having strong bodies. I never said they were ideal jins, but since we're on the subject, Uzumakis in particular were. Due to Fuinjutsu which seals objects, living beings, chakra, along with a wide variety of other things within another object, and can also be used to unseal objects either from within something or someone. They were prime candidates for the simple fact that they were the clan that pioneered and invented the Jinchuriki movement in the first place.
Except that when you dont house the biju inside of you it is exceptionally weaker. Kurama vs a kurama jin is no contest.
Also, a biju like kurama would easily overtake an uchiha jinchuriki due to their hate. Im sure some of the stronger Uchiha could handle the weakest biju though.
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No. They have distinct chakra which grants them longevity. That's just about it. Nothing in the manga supports your claim that Uzumakis were ideal Jins. Kushina and Mito were exceptions out of their clans, just like other Jins were from their families. If that was the case, then all of them would have been perfect Jins, when the manga only showcases three such Jins and none of them are Uzumakis. Yes, Naruto isn't one either, given Kabuto and Tobirama's description.
The only jins of the strongest TB have been Uzumaki & No, Kushina and Mito had distinct chakra that surppressed the kyuubi, the Uzumakis in general had long lifespan and durability. Known to being able to seal any and everything, which made them ideal jins, and yes, Naruto is one, Black Zetsu pointed that out when Madara extracted Kurama from him.
Uzumakis have distinct chakra for longevity, not Bijuu suppression. This was something clearly highlighted by the manga. That long lifespan is because of that chakra. What durability are we exactly talking about here? Fuin-jutsu has nothing to do with being an ideal host. These two things have no connection to one another.
He lacks the traits Kabuto talked about. He didn't display any life-force capabilities like Kushina did. In fact, he died instantly. There is your difference. Naruto is simply a cheap knock off copy of an Uzumaki.
Might as well just post the scans:
Kushina and Kabuto talking about distinct traits:
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- In fact, Kabuto doesn't even mention Naruto. Then we have Kushina's own admission that she had special chakra out of her own clan - which means, she was an exception from her clan:
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Not to mention Naruto's instant death after extraction when Kushina was alive till the last second. She was killed sooner by the claw.
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One Son was born with the eyes,the other with the Body. You need a strong body to holed a Tailed Beast for they are Spirits. Uchiha born with spiritual energy not Physical enery its all set up a In needing Yang and vice versa.
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Lets keep the flawed logic in Sasuke wank threads, stay frosty.
What the hell are you talking about? Chakra is an individuals life-force, given that it's the combination of two energies running through your system. Which is why all people were instantly killed when the tree took its chakra back. Or do I have to post scans for that too? Not to mention this distinct chakra was the reason Tobirama knew Karin was from the Uzumaki clan:
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You have nothing to back this up, absolutely nothing. Kushina was an exception. She admits it. Case closed. No where does she say Uzumakis were ideal candidates. So have have zilch on this.
Really, is he making a comparison? You have several scans, Kushina holding it out, Kabuto's prolonged research, all are wrong, but this one scan that proves jack is somehow so credible? This is far from being a flawed logic. Let's see:
- Uzumakis are ideal Jins? False.
- Naruto has Uzumaki traits? False.
- Other never would have or could have been Kurama Jins? False.
A cheap knock off is a cheap knock off. His base chakra reserves alone speak volumes about where he stands compared to an Uzumaki. Let's keep Naruto masturbation out of discussions.
Lol Don't try to change the subject just because you got called out. I never said Uzumaki didn't have special chakra, its just wasn't the reason why their lifespan was long, manga says the same.
Naruto does have Uzumaki triats..lets see.
Large chakra pool? Check.
Durable body? Check.
Longevity? Check.
Get outta here.
So what other clans where full Kurama's host? I'll be waiting...
Also, If you totally missed the point of a powerful clan based on longevity that can seal anything, including TB inside themselves, not as ideal jins, then your comprehension level is way below my explanation skills.
Kudos.
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Called out on what? I expect people to grasp the basics of the manga at this stage. If you can't, then you shouldn't even bother engaging in discussions.
-Large chakra pool? Yeah ... no. His chakra pool doesn't match an average Uzumaki, given that it's the seal's blessing which grants his large reserves. Natural mixing with Kurama's chakra and all?
-Many people have displayed far more durability. Third Raikage, Bee, Kisame, Tsunade come to mind. Next.
- What longevity? He's 17. Get back to me when he displays it like Mito several years into the future.
I suggest you read Kurama's history:
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- This was nothing more than a power game. The manga has nothing to give your baseless point any support. Sealing anything makes one a good Jin? Help me understand this point. As neither Naruto, Bee or Yagura know any advanced Fuinjutsu. Whatever you are smoking, kindly drop it.