Tobirama vs Bee

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Location: Juubi vs SA

Conditions:
-The FTG markings that Minato set up in that arc, which Tobirama is linked to.

-Tobirama can use his anime feats.

-Tobirama has his sword, and a prep ninja pouch that carries basic ninja tools, via Kunai, Shirukens, etc.

-Tobirama can summon 2 fodder edos tensei, which carries ninja pouch and same equipment, which are prepped tagged.

Distance: Reasonable, whatever balances the outcome.

Intel: Manga.
 

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Bee mid-high diff.

-He can distribute his ink clones throughout the battlefield, where they can see the marked kunai's. Afterwards, Bee pressures Tobirama, and forces him to teleport to where those kunai's, then the clones lariat him.

-He can nuke the Edo Tensei, and given the time to regenerate back, he seals them.​
 

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B wins mid difficult.
 

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With these conditions tobirama wins this

--If Killer bee resorts to firing off a TBB, then tobirama can simply teleport it away to any of the assigned locations that you have allowed tobirama In this thread, or he can just evade them thanks to all the prepped markings that OP has assigned

--CQC is also more suitable for tobirama, his reflexes are superior to bees, and can just mark him, and once that happens, tobiramas victory is certain

--He can also evade most of killer bees attacks through FTG, and with the 2 edos here, he can repeatedly fire off GKF, which is eventually taking bee down

--Once tobirama places a marking at a location near the hachibi, (which is definintely happening), he can simply teleport all of bees TBB right back at him, therefore backfiring its offense and enabling him to win
 
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Biju Mode completely overpowers Tobirama.

-His defence is lackluster, no S/T barrier means that he can't redirect Bijudama. Even if he could, he would tire out quickly or wouldn't be able to catch all the Bijudama in Renzoku Bijudama.

-The Hachibi has mountain level durability. Gojō Kibaku Fuda isn't doing anything serious.

-Biju Hachimaki screws any possible Hiriashin set ups he made beforehand. Which Tobirama doesn't usually do anyway.

Restricting one Edo and Biju Mode would make it a good fight imo​
 

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-His defence is lackluster, no S/T barrier means that he can't redirect Bijudama. Even if he could, he would tire out quickly or wouldn't be able to catch all the Bijudama in Renzoku Bijudama.

What do you mean? S/T barrier source is FTG. He isn't going to tired quickly with Senju reserves, not possible. Renzoku doesn't go 360 direction. Its more then 3 TBB leading the same the same destination. If the bombs are heading north towards him, he flys out through marking thats around south.

-The Hachibi has mountain level durability. Gojō Kibaku Fuda isn't doing anything serious.

Gojo would cremate a mountain as the scaling of the explosions start out around the size of Juubi's heads which extends around the heights of SS. Hachibi isn't surviving a direct hit.

-Biju Hachimaki screws any possible Hiriashin set ups he made beforehand. Which Tobirama doesn't usually do anyway.

He already has Minato's markings out of his range anyway. And the marking of Tobirama personals will only just blow it to another direction, so that tactic is useless anyway. Tobirama invented FTG, he canonically had set one up on his monument theres nothing to suggest he uses Ftg differently.

Restricting one Edo and Biju Mode would make it a good fight imo [/font][/indent]

I dont think so this is perfectly balance. Or that its little unbalance giving Tobirama 2 Edos.
 

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What do you mean? S/T barrier source is FTG. He isn't going to tired quickly with Senju reserves, not possible. Renzoku doesn't go 360 direction. Its more then 3 TBB leading the same the same destination. If the bombs are heading north towards him, he flys out through marking thats around south.

When has he ever used such as skill? Its not a transferable feat. It's like trying to give Mianto FRS or Oodama Rasengan because "Rasnegan is the source of FRS".​



Gojo would cremate a mountain as the scaling of the explosions start out around the size of Juubi's heads which extends around the heights of SS. Hachibi isn't surviving a direct hit.

Definitely not. (if he wasn't crouching down), you can also see Juubi clones not being dwarfed by it. saying it is as big as Shinsuusenju is laughable.

Nor is it hurting the Hachibi, Juubito completely tanked it without a scratch. Yet Rasengan level Jutsu are capable of hurting a stronger verison of him when Onmyton isn't an issue (Essentially making V2 Juubito's Durability >= V1 Juubito's)

Using AoE as means of deducting DC is also a fallacy (Unless you have a weaker version of the Jutsu to scale it too, like Bijudama or Deidara's C Jutsu's). Pain's Chou Shinra Tensei busted a Village yet it killed no one (Tsunade survived without Katsuya)​


He already has Minato's markings out of his range anyway. And the marking of Tobirama personals will only just blow it to another direction, so that tactic is useless anyway. Tobirama invented FTG, he canonically had set one up on his monument theres nothing to suggest he uses Ftg differently.

The whole point was to get the markings farther away from Bee.

Tobirama's skill with Hiriashin is also no where near Minato's, that much is obvious.​



I dont think so this is perfectly balance. Or that its little unbalance giving Tobirama 2 Edos.

Its balanced until BM comes out Lol.​
 
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Bee mid difficulty
 

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When has he ever used such as skill? Its not a transferable feat. It's like trying to give Mianto FRS or Oodama Rasengan because "Rasnegan is the source of FRS".​

He never used it of course. But that doesn't mean we can't go by implication, when he wanted to warp 1/4 Juubirama. The only differences stated between the two was that its capability of transporting more people/objects.


Definitely not. (if he wasn't crouching down), you can also see Juubi clones not being dwarfed by it. saying it is as big as Shinsuusenju is laughable.

Nor is it hurting the Hachibi, Juubito completely tanked it without a scratch. Yet Rasengan level Jutsu are capable of hurting a stronger verison of him when Onmyton isn't an issue (Essentially making V2 Juubito's Durability >= V1 Juubito's)

Using AoE as means of deducting DC is also a fallacy (Unless you have a weaker version of the Jutsu to scale it too, like Bijudama or Deidara's C Jutsu's). Pain's Chou Shinra Tensei busted a Village yet it killed no one (Tsunade survived without Katsuya)​

-Check your eyes again, Gojō Kibaku Fuda, when exploding the first time, it was big enough to Destroy Deity Gates, that bound the Juubi's head, Visual look:[ ]. So whatever you want to visually look at the Juubi minions, who were closer to the blast then Gama, and make a irrational conclusion of its size, already proves you wrong:
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-Except your ABC logic is nonsense unless you think Naruto Rasengan>>>Juubidama[ > ]. Terrible reasoning. Especially when V1 Juubito force himself to shield himself with Gudo from the rest of the blast.

- Tobirama lack the feats since he use the technique on the strongest character, and admitted it wasn't going to something to him. You failing to reason of its destructive capacity doesn't give it a reason to stated ineffective to the Gyuuki. We can looks at other jutsu that have the same explosive effect. Deidara being a perfect example since it relies on it. We can make a logical conclusion that the explosion size will determine its power.

The whole point was to get the markings farther away from Bee.

Tobirama's skill with Hiriashin is also no where near Minato's, that much is obvious.​


Only because Minato ability can warp more people then Tobirama. This is completely irreverent or help a case in a 1v1 match.

Tobirama can use Suiton to chop of tails to weaken his physical power.

Its balanced until BM comes out Lol.​

BM is vulnerable to Suiton cuts + near infinite explosion so not BM makes him a bigger target to get blitz.
 

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He never used it of course. But that doesn't mean we can't go by implication, when he wanted to warp 1/4 Juubirama. The only differences stated between the two was that its capability of transporting more people/objects.

Except that he was never implied to have had S/T barrier. Its complete fanfiction.

It, again, is like trying to give higher variants of Rasengan to Minato.​




-Check your eyes again, Gojō Kibaku Fuda, when exploding the first time, it was big enough to Destroy Deity Gates, that bound the Juubi's head, Visual look:[ ]. So whatever you want to visually look at the Juubi minions, who were closer to the blast then Gama, and make a irrational conclusion of its size, already proves you wrong:
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Except Gamakichi is standing right next to it in the panel you provided. It was the one I was refrencing (You can see the Juubi Bunshin).

Lol Gates that were already smashed. Shinsuusenju dwarfs the first form of the Juubi as well.​

-Except your ABC logic is nonsense unless you think Naruto Rasengan>>>Juubidama[ > ]. Terrible reasoning. Especially when V1 Juubito force himself to shield himself with Gudo from the rest of the blast.

What does that prove? Juubi Jin's don't have the same durability as the Juubi.​

- Tobirama lack the feats since he use the technique on the strongest character, and admitted it wasn't going to something to him. You failing to reason of its destructive capacity doesn't give it a reason to stated ineffective to the Gyuuki. We can looks at other jutsu that have the same explosive effect. Deidara being a perfect example since it relies on it. We can make a logical conclusion that the explosion size will determine its power.

Yet it still couldn't damage him when a Rasengan could. There's no arguing around that.

Your gonna need to grammar check the bold as well.​




Only because Minato ability can warp more people then Tobirama. This is completely irreverent or help a case in a 1v1 match.

Tobirama can use Suiton to chop of tails to weaken his physical power.

Tobirama still didn't show any where near the competence with Hiriashin that Minato did. Him being on par with Minato because it was never stated that he wasn't is a fallacy.​
 

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Although Tobirama's explosion tags wouldn't have effected Obito even if it hit him, but I believe it never did in the first place.
Obito used the Gedu-dama to protect himself from the explosions.
 

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Except that he was never implied to have had S/T barrier. Its complete fanfiction.

It, again, is like trying to give higher variants of Rasengan to Minato.​

Except thats how FTG works. You use S/T to transport one place to another by using the seal as a medium. So nothing here is fanfiction.

Except Gamakichi is standing right next to it in the panel you provided. It was the one I was refrencing (You can see the Juubi Bunshin).

Lol Gates that were already smashed. Shinsuusenju dwarfs the first form of the Juubi as well.​

Yea the Gama is standing furthest to the blast, only shows how far it extended while the Juubi minions were closest to the blast, look tinier to Gama ( ). I literally circled for you the first blast and the Juubi Head Gate (which Gama was also on top of it and teleported out).

The same Juubimions that were being dwarfed by PS and Senpou Golem.

What does that prove? Juubi Jin's don't have the same durability as the Juubi.​

It disproved you fail logic to determine how weak Gojo is compare to a Senpou Rasengan.

Yet it still couldn't damage him when a Rasengan could. There's no arguing around that.

Your gonna need to grammar check the bold as well.​

Except thats because Sage Art only works on the Juubi so it doesn't how dramatic and power ninjutsu is. Are you claiming that FRS<Rasengan. Since it failed against Juubito? Once again your reasoning is terrible.

Tobirama still didn't show any where near the competence with Hiriashin that Minato did. Him being on par with Minato because it was never stated that he wasn't is a fallacy.​

Please tell me the difference in Hiriashin that makes a difference for the match.
 

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This thread is clearly bias in Tobirama's favor.
 

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GKF didn't work on Juubito due to that black stuff shielding him. Rasengan never broke through the black stuff to my knowledge.
 

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GKF didn't work on Juubito due to that black stuff shielding him. Rasengan never broke through the black stuff to my knowledge.
It almost broke it though

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Oh that colossal Senjutsu infused Kyuubi chakra made Rasengan? Of course it almost broke through. Lol

I thought we were talking about SM Naruto's rasengan. "<->
 
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