[Theoretically] Itachi defeats EMS Madara and Obito with Izanami

[Inert Brian]

Before reading, I am not saying Itachi > EMS Madara, or Rinnegan Obito. Just throwing a possible way he defeats both out there. Edo/Blind/Juubi jin Madara, and Juubito are out of the question though.

Anyway thank for you reading the top if you did ^

Both are under the right conditions for the jutsu.


Madara used Izanagi to escape defeat/death from Hashirama. He went beyond and tried to out live his generation as Tobirama notes later. Izanami would teach Madara to accept his fate, instead of trying to become a god.

Obito acted like fate was a giant lie, going as far as to say the real Rin was an imposter. Izanami would teach Obito to accept reality for what it is, instead of trying to escape it through IT.

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[BLAZE]

Madara doubt it :|

 

[LogicnoJutsu]

Correction, it would work on Pre-Juubi jin Obito. Everything after that Obito had already accepted who he was. Even a weakened double kamui Obito neg diffs Itachi and his Ninja cancer.

 

[Inert Brian]

Correction, it would work on Pre-Juubi jin Obito. Everything after that Obito had already accepted who he was. Even a weakened double kamui Obito neg diffs Itachi and his Ninja cancer.

In the title I meant to put Rinnegan Obito. As it says in the OP JJ Obito is out of the question.

 

[lucario14]

Nope. If obito knows izanagi chances are he knew izanami. Obito may have been the one to teach izanami. Itachi is not beating obito or madara with izanami, they'll stop it before the plan gets in motion

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

Can Izanami have the purported effect you mentioned on Madara and Obito? Yes.

Can an alive Itachi successfully cast Izanami on them? No.

Itachi wouldn't be able to meet the conditions necessary to perform Izanami (creating sensations A/B, etc,
can't remember exactly atm) because these opponents would be able to outlast him, while preventing the conditions for the jutsu to be achieved.

Madara, on one hand, could probably force Itachi into Susano'o early on in the match. Once he has it out, his sickness will begin to get the better of him, and he'll die one way or another. Obito can do something similar through Kamui, one way or another.

Izanami wouldn't be an effective way of fighting them. But I more or less agree with what you're saying.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Obito owns him before he has a chance to close the loop U_U
Madara probably too.

 

[kaiyokoon]

Madara was the leader of the Uchiha, the second he realizes he's in Izanami, and he will realize it, he's going to break out because he knows better than anyone how to do it.

 

[Inert Brian]

Madara was the leader of the Uchiha, the second he realizes he's in Izanami, and he will realize it, he's going to break out.

Izanami works on people at an honesty level.

You can't just pretend that you think you were wrong, you have to sincerely think it.

 

[Mellow]

those with izanagi are sitting ducks for those with izanami fact

 

[kaiyokoon]

Izanami works on people at an honesty level.

You can't just pretend that you think you were wrong, you have to sincerely think it.

The point remains that he knows exactly what he has to do to break out of it, people are capable of making honest turnarounds and then going back on it. We also don't know to what extent it requires honesty considering based on what we saw it only relied on making the target give up on a given goal. Based on the example we saw, Kabuto could've broken out the moment he stopped trying to kill Itachi and Sasuke. I think it's more about accepting defeat.

 

[NukaCola]

He needs to hurt Obito to active Izanami

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

It would only work on someone who didn't accept the circustances that they were in. Obito was pretty dedicated to his goal, and so was Madara, only reason it worked on Kabuto because Kabuto himself didn't even know what he truly wanted for himself, all he ever did was mirror Orochimaru and refused to accept himself for who he was. That's the only way Kabuto lost that fight.

 

[legarcon]

Before reading, I am not saying Itachi > EMS Madara, or Rinnegan Obito. Just throwing a possible way he defeats both out there. Edo/Blind/Juubi jin Madara, and Juubito are out of the question though.

Anyway thank for you reading the top if you did ^

Both are under the right conditions for the jutsu.


Madara used Izanagi to escape defeat/death from Hashirama. He went beyond and tried to out live his generation as Tobirama notes later. Izanami would teach Madara to accept his fate, instead of trying to become a god.

Obito acted like fate was a giant lie, going as far as to say the real Rin was an imposter. Izanami would teach Obito to accept reality for what it is, instead of trying to escape it through IT.

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obito and madara are more powerful, and know the kinjutsu of th uchiha better, even if itachi casted izanami on them, they know how to get out of it and it takes prep time, obito and madara have more powerful arsenal, itachi is just hype just like hiruzen, do you remember the hyped that was given to haku? he was said to be able to travel to the speed of light, nevertheless one tail cloak naruto caught up to him easily, hype were made to be broken and surpassed