[Discussion] For the posters who understimate how strong Akatsuki really was..

[RasenganKing]

Well out of all of Akatsuki I'd have to say that in my number of rankings from members...its probably

1 - Itachi
2 - pein
3 - Kisame
4 - Kakuzu
5 - Sasori
6 - Deidara
7 - Hidan
8 - Konan

I did'nt count zetsu and madara in since they haven't really fought yet, and did'nt put orochimaru in because he's not a member anymore.
Anyway, I think the top 4 of those could beat Jiraiya, and I'm pretty sure Orochimaru could beat Jiraiya as well.

I really don't think that Orochimaru could beat Jiraiya. I mean, let's not forget that Orochimaru had a bad sickness. That was one of the reason's Sasuke could beat Orochimaru.As for Itatchi beating Jiraiya....I think Itatchi would be able to beat Jiraiya...if it wasn't for the fact that he was infected with a life-threatining sickness,and the fact that Itatchi would have to take Susano'o to defeat Jiraiya,which would take away some more of Itatchi's health. Overall, I really think only Kisame,Pain,and Kakuzu would have a chance of beating Jiraiya, if they worked together.

 

[The Pervy Sage]

I really don't think that Orochimaru could beat Jiraiya. I mean, let's not forget that Orochimaru had a bad sickness. That was one of the reason's Sasuke could beat Orochimaru.As for Itatchi beating Jiraiya....I think Itatchi would be able to beat Jiraiya...if it wasn't for the fact that he was infected with a life-threatining sickness,and the fact that Itatchi would have to take Susano'o to defeat Jiraiya,which would take away some more of Itatchi's health. Overall, I really think only Kisame,Pain,and Kakuzu would have a chance of beating Jiraiya, if they worked together.

I am a major fan of jiraiya, but i think he would of beated kisame because he would fuse with his sword then absorb nature chakra and turn to stone, just a theory but still...

He would lose to pain again i think

Itachi wouldnt want to kill him, but if it came down to it hmmm i would say it would be a draw =/

I think kakuzu would lose, kakashi took out 2 of his hearts kind of and jiraiya is a sannin! He would win

I may just be being biased

 

[yoshimitsu]

i dont think konan is worth much mention, so ill skip to nagato.

nagato is truly a badass. he took on an entire village, solo, and prevailed. he was able to take out some of konoha's strongest whilst having split his chakra and concentration amongst 6 bodies. this guy probably had a female brain since he can multitask so well!

nagato uses all styles and all elements. we havent actually seen him use elemental attacks, but its said rinnegan users possess the ability to conjure any element they so desire. we've seen his ninjutsu and taijutsu, and when his blade pierces someone its sort of like genjutsu.

one on one, nagato is a superb shinobi. he has massive amounts of chakra. they say kisame is a non-tailed beast chakra-wise, but from my standpoint nagato had ten fold more. he's also able to revive dead people, and not just 1 like chiyo, but everyone he killed! thats bloody insane. talk about best torture ability : "tell me what i want or i kill you and revive you and we repeat the process."

even with naruto in sage mode, i believe had nagato been at full strength to begin with, and hadnt spent so much time trying to capture the kyuubi but rather had focused on an actual 1v1, hands down nagato wins. he even held his ground for a really long time (until mega shinra tensei recharged) vs naruto right after having used his mega shinra tensei and leveled the city. and while depleted in chakra, he forced himself and bled from his eyes and stuff to draw out the little chakra he had left. and even running on empty, he impaled narutos hands to the ground! monumental.

and to top it all off, he wasnt really a bad guy. he was tricked by hanzou and madara.

nagato is a force to be reckoned with, hardcore. solid 9.3/10.

edit : i forgot to mention that after having used up several techs and taking a beating, AND after getting shinra tensei'd by a kyuubi 6 tails and getting up as if it were a normal tech (everyone that got shinra tensei'd was almost out of commission, even the giant summons), he still had chakra left to do that gravity ball tech. nagato is godlike.

 

[yoshimitsu]

I am a major fan of jiraiya, but i think he would of beated kisame because he would fuse with his sword then absorb nature chakra and turn to stone, just a theory but still...

He would lose to pain again i think

Itachi wouldnt want to kill him, but if it came down to it hmmm i would say it would be a draw =/

I think kakuzu would lose, kakashi took out 2 of his hearts kind of and jiraiya is a sannin! He would win

I may just be being biased

great point about petrification ! i wanted to mention it but it slipped my mind in my kisame post.

kisame probably knew he was no match for jiraiya because he could not use his chakra to his advantage, in fact would turn to stone should he attempt.

 

[yoshimitsu]

naruto, sasuke raikage and kb get 9/10 (to have sth. to orientate at) and kakashi 5/10

sasori would loose to anyone of them, including kakashi, therefore he gets at highest 4/10. i cant understand why you value him that much.

hidan gets 4/10 for being absolutely dumb.

5/10 kakashi is redundant. you have to take into consideration hs overall knowledge and intelligence. not exactly on par with shikamaru, but probably second smartest konoha nin.

edit: i dont know if im correct but i recall a scene with jiraiya and tsunade and possibly the elders slating kakashi as a suitable hokage.

 

[yoshimitsu]

I don't disagree with you at all, what I'm saying is that they were a PERFECT match-up because of the reason that Kakuzu could just keep bringing Hidan back to life so to speak. Their main fault was splitting up.

Edit: The whole purpose of having a partner is to have teamwork and a vast arange of different abilities increasing the percentage of the task at hand. For example if Kakuzu and Hidan essentially died 1 time per each konoha person they killed, they'd kill AT LEAST 5 people from Konoha [Assuming Kakuzu did ALL the killing, AND didn't take the persons organs he just killed.] That number would double if Hidan killed a person each time he died [Kakuzu bringing him back.]

And that number would be uncountable if Kakuzu took organs from each of the people he killed.

i disagree. they were a bad team. especially since they roll in teams of 2, having 1 of the 2, that is 50% of the company, stupid, is a huge offset. kakuzu's previous partner was probably smarter than hidan, but probably got caught offguard after pissing kakuzu off.

also, doesnt reattaching a person defeat the purpose of getting rid of them? he should have been partnered up with kisame or something. kisame's cool, you cant be angry with him. he'll kill you but he won't piss you off, know what i mean.

edit : yeah, kakuzu should have been with kisame, and hidan with itachi. i mean; itachi casts a genjutsu on hidan, controls an immortal with unparalleled skills (itachi's ofc), and possibly temporarily give hidan sharingan so he can properly see as he fights? and does his curse thing from a distance? wow. godlike teams.

 

[John Constantine]

i disagree. they were a bad team. especially since they roll in teams of 2, having 1 of the 2, that is 50% of the company, stupid, is a huge offset. kakuzu's previous partner was probably smarter than hidan, but probably got caught offguard after pissing kakuzu off.

also, doesnt reattaching a person defeat the purpose of getting rid of them? he should have been partnered up with kisame or something. kisame's cool, you cant be angry with him. he'll kill you but he won't piss you off, know what i mean.

edit : yeah, kakuzu should have been with kisame, and hidan with itachi. i mean; itachi casts a genjutsu on hidan, controls an immortal with unparalleled skills (itachi's ofc), and possibly temporarily give hidan sharingan so he can properly see as he fights? and does his curse thing from a distance? wow. godlike teams.

I thought they were a great team.. The only handicap was Hidan's stupidity..

 

[moneyezzz]

Dazno could beat them all so even if they all were alive it wouldnt help

 

[John Constantine]

Dazno could beat them all so even if they all were alive it wouldnt help

Posters don't bother to reply to this troll or else the thread will be ruined it..

Anyway,Danzou could beat them all of Akatsuki aside from Pein,Itachi & Madara & just will leave it like that about Danzou in this thread..

 

[John Constantine]

Itachi Uchiha was Sasuke Uchiha's older brother & the man who slaughtered his entire powerful clan Uchiha at the age of 14,sparing only his little brother..

Itachi was praised by all as the best of his generation, a genius above all others.
At age 7, he graduated from the Ninja Academy at the top of his class after only one year, mastered the Sharingan at age 8, passed the Chūnin Exams at age 10, and became an ANBU Captain at age 13.

While a member of Akatsuki, Itachi was approached by Orochimaru, who tried to steal his body to gain the Sharingan. Itachi trapped him in a genjutsu and severed his left hand as punishment, forcing Orochimaru to flee the organization. The way Itachi defeated Orochimaru in mere seconds just goes to show how powerful he really was.

He constantly displayed an emotionless personality but always aknowledged his enemies abilities at the same time,showing them their due respect..
In addition to being an extremely powerful ninja, Itachi had equally impressive intelligence, and was shown to be very wise.

He was a master in both Ninjutsu and Taijutsu and the best Genjutsu user in the entire Naruto world.
His speed and Hand-Seals were insanely fast and genjutsu were the most dangerous.
He could put one in genjutsu with a single finger. His Tsukuyomi was second to none & his Amaterasu would burn anything in sight.
His Susano'o equiped with the legendary items Yatas Mirror and Totsuka sword (which seals everything it touches into a never ending genjutsu) made him invencible and gave him god status..

His only downfal was his chakra levels and the fact that he was dying from a mortal decease. Which was only delayed due to drugs..
Also his eyesight was severely damaged from years of using the Mangekyo Sharingan and by the end he was pratically blind already..

My Itachi's ranking : 9.5/10

So far:

- Itachi 9.5/10
- Kisame 8.5/10
- Kakuzu 8.4/10
- Sasori 8.2/10
- Deidara 7.5/10
- Hidan 6/10
- Konan 5.2/10

 

[moneyezzz]

We get it pain could own any village by his self he pwned the leaf and that wass said 2 be the strongest although danzo didnt fight him

 

[John Constantine]

We get it pain could own any village by his self he pwned the leaf and that wass said 2 be the strongest although danzo didnt fight him

Danzou runned away from Pain back in Hanzo's days and avoided any type of contact with Pein in the Invasion Arc..
He was obviously scared of Pain and of Itachi too for all we know..
Madara it's uncertain though..

From what i see Danzou is 9.3/10.. Very powerfil indeed.

Will rank Orochimaru next..

 

[Michael92]

Lol dont start that again, you know i will be right

Well, this time i will be right for surexd

 

[Michael92]

The fact that he was dying from a mortal decease. Which was only delayed due to drugs..

What mortal decease actually?
Can`t really remember hearing that anywhere?

 

[Sharpism]

I am a major fan of jiraiya, but i think he would of beated kisame because he would fuse with his sword then absorb nature chakra and turn to stone, just a theory but still...

He would lose to pain again i think

Itachi wouldnt want to kill him, but if it came down to it hmmm i would say it would be a draw =/

I think kakuzu would lose, kakashi took out 2 of his hearts kind of and jiraiya is a sannin! He would win

I may just be being biased

Genjutsu, Jiraiya's worst subject. One person who uses Genjutsu well is Itachi. Itachi would win.

Saying Jiraiya would strictly win BECAUSE he's a sannin is stupid. That is like saying Tsunade could beat Kakuzu. She's a Sannin and she's relatively weaker then Jiraiya and Orochimaru. I don't think she could do it. Kakuzu also has all 5 elements just as Pein, and Jiraiya had problems fighting that alone.
Any Shinobi would have big problems fighting someone with 5 elements to be honest. Specially if they use your two weaknesses to the best of their abilities. Your skill alone would have to be so keen and tweaked just for the one fight.

Jiraiya would lose to Itachi no problem.
Lose AGAIN to Pein, I agree.
And have a good fight with Kakuzu. [Remember Kakuzu would have to die 5 times over, so it really depends on what hearts Jiraiya took out first.]

 

[Sharpism]

i disagree. they were a bad team. especially since they roll in teams of 2, having 1 of the 2, that is 50% of the company, stupid, is a huge offset. kakuzu's previous partner was probably smarter than hidan, but probably got caught offguard after pissing kakuzu off.

also, doesnt reattaching a person defeat the purpose of getting rid of them? he should have been partnered up with kisame or something. kisame's cool, you cant be angry with him. he'll kill you but he won't piss you off, know what i mean.

edit : yeah, kakuzu should have been with kisame, and hidan with itachi. i mean; itachi casts a genjutsu on hidan, controls an immortal with unparalleled skills (itachi's ofc), and possibly temporarily give hidan sharingan so he can properly see as he fights? and does his curse thing from a distance? wow. godlike teams.

Itachi is long range, Hidan is medium/long range also.

Kisame is Close Range, Kakuzu uses taijutsu he is mid/close range.

Bad teams. Good teams are various to deal with different situations. They split up exposing weaknesses a lot more. If Hidan was more like a tank and just took hits whilst Kakuzu focused on killing people and healing Hidan it'd be a perfect team. They didn't work together and thus there wasn't a "Team."

Hidan was unkillable. If he got his head cut off that first time by Asuma, Itachi couldn't re-attach it. Hidan wasn't the greatest Akatsuki but the reason WHY he was actually IN the Akatsuki is because of Kakuzu's ability to reattach limbs.

Third data book results.

Spoiler

Hidan
Ninjutsu 5
Taijutsu 4.5
Genjutsu 3
Intelligence 3
Strength 4
Speed 3.5
Stamina 5
Hand seals 3.5
Total 31.5

Kishi gives him more credit then you. :]

Spoiler

In Naruto Hiden: Sha no Sho Character Official Data Book, Kishimoto revealed that Hidan's design, with the skeletal patterns and scythe, were meant to resemble a shinigami (死神, "death god," "grim reaper"), because "Hidan uses curses and things." He also noted that he originally planned for the scythe to have a number of special tricks, but "didn't have time to show them all."

Another reason why you can't 100% judge characters is because they usually don't show off ALL their skills.

 

[twistedlink]

Yes, Jiraiyas popularity has bumped him up the ranks much further than he should be.

He's a sannin and he's powerful but Itachi would cream him, he is invincible with his MS techs and yatas mirror.

Kakuzu vs Jiraiya would be a good match.

You gotta remember that it took sage mode from Jiraiya to take out 3 bodies and that strained him, whereas Kakashi COULD have taken out god realm and the other, which is only 1 body less, and god realm is super powerful compared to the others.

The point i made about COULD win was he used his mangekyou for chouji, if he'd aimed it at pains god realm he coulda sent his body miles away, or ripped him in half.

sure nagato can summon him back, but my point is Kakashis performance is almost equal to Jirayas in that Jiraiyas max was 3 bodies, Kakashis was 2 but included god realm.

Kakashi was even nominated by Jiraiya as a certain candidate for Hokage, kakashis dad was also considered sannin skill and Kakashi surpassed him as his talk with his dad suggests.

 

[The Pervy Sage]

Genjutsu, Jiraiya's worst subject. One person who uses Genjutsu well is Itachi. Itachi would win.

Saying Jiraiya would strictly win BECAUSE he's a sannin is stupid. That is like saying Tsunade could beat Kakuzu. She's a Sannin and she's relatively weaker then Jiraiya and Orochimaru. I don't think she could do it. Kakuzu also has all 5 elements just as Pein, and Jiraiya had problems fighting that alone.
Any Shinobi would have big problems fighting someone with 5 elements to be honest. Specially if they use your two weaknesses to the best of their abilities. Your skill alone would have to be so keen and tweaked just for the one fight.

Jiraiya would lose to Itachi no problem.
Lose AGAIN to Pein, I agree.
And have a good fight with Kakuzu. [Remember Kakuzu would have to die 5 times over, so it really depends on what hearts Jiraiya took out first.]

1. but if jiraiya went into sage mode wouldnt the toads disrupt his chakra and break genjutsu?

2. Ok what i meant is jiraiya is very strong and smart and i think he just would be able beat kakuzu, in sage mode hes got the power and speed and he can use his summons to help him,, i just think jiraiya is the better ninja

3. i agree he would lose to pain, also probably itachi but not kakuzu

 

[twistedlink]

Itachi is long range

what??

Itachi is an all rounder, he can cast his MS techs close range, but they can attack long range also, he also has unrivaled taijutsu abilities, he is simply too fast for most to keep up with.

He is comfortable close and long range.

Itachi is beastly, he is pimped way beyond any other character, the two legendary items help out a lot in that, and it doesnt look like they can betray you like samehada.

 

[twistedlink]

1. but if jiraiya went into sage mode wouldnt the toads disrupt his chakra and break genjutsu?

2. Ok what i meant is jiraiya is very strong and smart and i think he just would be able beat kakuzu, in sage mode hes got the power and speed and he can use his summons to help him,, i just think jiraiya is the better ninja

3. i agree he would lose to pain, also probably itachi but not kakuzu

No, genjutsu is disrupted by having a seperate chakra interupt the chakra causing the genjutsu, it needs to be an entirely different entity.

I mean all ninjas have physical and spiritual chakra, you cant use either one to cancel genjutsu, so why would natural chakra? adding chakra just means adding chakra, a genjutsu user can still manipulate it to make illusions.

It requires a seperate entity to force loads through, however its kishis work...and us fans look into things with pin sharp logic sometimes, so what logic states and what kishi writes are two very different things.