[Discussion] For the posters who understimate how strong Akatsuki really was..

[John Constantine]

LOL to ruler michael.

Dude akatsuki are always outnumbered in the fights, and are always having their fighting styles analysed by previous fights.

1.Sasori-all of his moves became useless when chiyo knew when and where they were going to come from, it was said in the sasori arc that them poison needles are impossible to dodge unless you have seen them before (and why would you see them before and NOT die?)

Chiyo made most of sasoris attacks dodgable, cheapening his abilities greatly.

Sasori is definitely one of the strongest akatsuki and was only defeated due to his grandmother and a change of heart.

Also may I point out that zetsu did not know what Sasori truly looked like, and that's saying something considering zetsu watches and records fights for data on all akatsuki members, tobi was obviously keeping tabs on them all.

Deidara may seem weak, but lets get some things straight, he did win against gaara fairly, and the only reason he lost against sasuke was elemental reversal-deidaras element is weak against sasukes.

A level 100 Pikachu is strong against a level 100 squirtle, but weak against a level 100 geodude.

Deidara lost only because of elements, skill wise i still personally think deidara is slightly better, as he can make some amazing jutsu!

Hidan and Kakuzu were plotted against by shikamaru's amazing brain power, but even then they needed to get 8 ninjas involved to take out 2 akatsuki members, and let me remind you that it has been considered by many that Hidan was the weakest, and it still took 8 ninjas to beat them.

They were severely outnumbered, and even then kakuzu gave Kakashi a damn hard time, and pwned the fat guy and the blonde idiot.

As to Kisame being weak because he relies too much on his sword.

Erm

Sasuke relies too much on his sharingan
Naruto relies too much on his stamina and rasengan
Pain relies too much on god realm.

The list goes on, the point is Kisame was against the 8tails, not just that but KB had PERFECT control of this bijuu, and its only slightly less powerful than the 9tails (even with logirithmic scales, 8 tails must be a beast!)

Kisame took down the 3rd strongest bijuu in 2 chapters without even breaking a sweat.

May I also remind you that Kisame was then ganged up on by his own sword, KB, the Raikage, and 2 ANBU level jounins. And even then his death is slightly suspicious.


Pain was ganged up on by the entire village and many summons of naruto (toads) and he still pwned naruto.

What i find funny is Naruto had intel on pains secret, mastered sage mode more than Jiraiya, perfected rasengan and made its power ridiculously high, and could enter sage mode 3 times as much as Jiraiya, and Pain had used most of his chakra and STILL pain pinned naruto down lol.

"Jiraiya would have won if he'd known pains secret"

Bullshit, Kishi may be the writer but most can agree he has contradicted himself many times, plus he changes things so drastically and is rushing things.

I don't see how Jiraiya could have got to nagatos body while the 6 paths were going to protect the real body.

Lets face it once pain actually took Jiraiya semi seriously and used all 6 paths Jiraiya got owned.

Someone said Jiraiya was sneakily attacked from behind and lost an arm which is unfair.

No, it isnt unfair, as Pain said "dont turn your back on an enemy" plus the whole point of a Ninja is to hide and ambush attack, so actually it was entirely Jiraiyas amatuer nature that got his arm blown off.

Konan seemed to just tag along for the ride tbh.

Itachi, ive said enough about him in other threads already.

Nobody can break his tsukyomi, tobi said sasuke didnt see through Itachis illusions at all, Itachi just acted out sasuke beat his tsukyomi, and danzo said Itachis tsukyomi is beyond any other genjutsu, even sasukes mangekyou tsukyomi.
Amaterasu which can only be stopped by sharingan users, or sealed, sealing takes pen and paper, and Itachi set an entire football pitch size of land alight against sasuke, and then giant 100ft walls of the stuff around the battle arena, im sure thatd take a huge scroll, scrolls sizes appear to be based on chakra used, for example the scroll frog with the Yin chakra is huge, plus Narutos sage mode seal is massive.

Itachi would just burn your scroll and pen, and your hand, and your face.

Susano'o himself can take a beating, even without yatas mirror, and has brilliant offensive power.

Itachi then pimped his god, with a 100ft sword of eternal genjutsu, and with a sword that size you need stupid speed to dodge it, we saw kyuubi 4 tails get hit by the elongated sword of kusanagi.

Then to top it all off he has yatas mirror which reflects all known attacks.

I think its safe to say Itachi is the most badass character in the entire series.

Loved your post as always my good friend..
Now could you rate the Akatsuki members in a scale from 1 to 10 like i'm doing,just out of curiosity..

 

[Revan]

LOL to ruler michael.

Dude akatsuki are always outnumbered in the fights, and are always having their fighting styles analysed by previous fights.

1.Sasori-all of his moves became useless when chiyo knew when and where they were going to come from, it was said in the sasori arc that them poison needles are impossible to dodge unless you have seen them before (and why would you see them before and NOT die?)

Chiyo made most of sasoris attacks dodgable, cheapening his abilities greatly.

Sasori is definitely one of the strongest akatsuki and was only defeated due to his grandmother and a change of heart.

Also may I point out that zetsu did not know what Sasori truly looked like, and that's saying something considering zetsu watches and records fights for data on all akatsuki members, tobi was obviously keeping tabs on them all.

Deidara may seem weak, but lets get some things straight, he did win against gaara fairly, and the only reason he lost against sasuke was elemental reversal-deidaras element is weak against sasukes.

A level 100 Pikachu is strong against a level 100 squirtle, but weak against a level 100 geodude.

Deidara lost only because of elements, skill wise i still personally think deidara is slightly better, as he can make some amazing jutsu!

Hidan and Kakuzu were plotted against by shikamaru's amazing brain power, but even then they needed to get 8 ninjas involved to take out 2 akatsuki members, and let me remind you that it has been considered by many that Hidan was the weakest, and it still took 8 ninjas to beat them.

They were severely outnumbered, and even then kakuzu gave Kakashi a damn hard time, and pwned the fat guy and the blonde idiot.

As to Kisame being weak because he relies too much on his sword.

Erm

Sasuke relies too much on his sharingan
Naruto relies too much on his stamina and rasengan
Pain relies too much on god realm.

The list goes on, the point is Kisame was against the 8tails, not just that but KB had PERFECT control of this bijuu, and its only slightly less powerful than the 9tails (even with logirithmic scales, 8 tails must be a beast!)

Kisame took down the 3rd strongest bijuu in 2 chapters without even breaking a sweat.

May I also remind you that Kisame was then ganged up on by his own sword, KB, the Raikage, and 2 ANBU level jounins. And even then his death is slightly suspicious.


Pain was ganged up on by the entire village and many summons of naruto (toads) and he still pwned naruto.

What i find funny is Naruto had intel on pains secret, mastered sage mode more than Jiraiya, perfected rasengan and made its power ridiculously high, and could enter sage mode 3 times as much as Jiraiya, and Pain had used most of his chakra and STILL pain pinned naruto down lol.

"Jiraiya would have won if he'd known pains secret"

Bullshit, Kishi may be the writer but most can agree he has contradicted himself many times, plus he changes things so drastically and is rushing things.

I don't see how Jiraiya could have got to nagatos body while the 6 paths were going to protect the real body.

Lets face it once pain actually took Jiraiya semi seriously and used all 6 paths Jiraiya got owned.

Someone said Jiraiya was sneakily attacked from behind and lost an arm which is unfair.

No, it isnt unfair, as Pain said "dont turn your back on an enemy" plus the whole point of a Ninja is to hide and ambush attack, so actually it was entirely Jiraiyas amatuer nature that got his arm blown off.

Konan seemed to just tag along for the ride tbh.

Itachi, ive said enough about him in other threads already.

Nobody can break his tsukyomi, tobi said sasuke didnt see through Itachis illusions at all, Itachi just acted out sasuke beat his tsukyomi, and danzo said Itachis tsukyomi is beyond any other genjutsu, even sasukes mangekyou tsukyomi.
Amaterasu which can only be stopped by sharingan users, or sealed, sealing takes pen and paper, and Itachi set an entire football pitch size of land alight against sasuke, and then giant 100ft walls of the stuff around the battle arena, im sure thatd take a huge scroll, scrolls sizes appear to be based on chakra used, for example the scroll frog with the Yin chakra is huge, plus Narutos sage mode seal is massive.

Itachi would just burn your scroll and pen, and your hand, and your face.

Susano'o himself can take a beating, even without yatas mirror, and has brilliant offensive power.

Itachi then pimped his god, with a 100ft sword of eternal genjutsu, and with a sword that size you need stupid speed to dodge it, we saw kyuubi 4 tails get hit by the elongated sword of kusanagi.

Then to top it all off he has yatas mirror which reflects all known attacks.

I think its safe to say Itachi is the most badass character in the entire series.

the part with sasori being countered by chiyo is only to some point correct. as you wrote pain defeated sm-naruto who knew all his secrets, so the conclusion is that sasori wasnt able to simply overpower them. on the other hand, chiyo is completely countered by sasori, because sasori created most of the puppets chiyo uses, and fights the same style as she does. chiyo used only two "puppets" which sasori didnt know (sakura who havent that much moves and the ten in the end) and actually beat him or was close to beat him.

face it sasori is after the supporter (zetsu, konan) the weakest akatsuki-member, even hidan is faster. any real fast character (sm-naruto, sasuke, kb, raikage, probably even kakashi) would have killed him within seconds and even sakura was able to dodge most of his moves (without chiyo).

concerning the part with pain i absolutely agree with you.
pain gets 9.5/10 from me for being the so far strongest character we have seen in a fight, about at the same level as madara (who counters him).

concerning relying on samehada: obviously he's able to loose it, it has a free will and is most of the time not connected with him. thats a huge difference to stamina, sharingan or the replacable god realm.

 

[Revan]

naruto, sasuke raikage and kb get 9/10 (to have sth. to orientate at) and kakashi 5/10

sasori would loose to anyone of them, including kakashi, therefore he gets at highest 4/10. i cant understand why you value him that much.

hidan gets 4/10 for being absolutely dumb.

 

[Sharpism]

face it sasori is after the supporter (zetsu, konan) the weakest akatsuki-member, even hidan is faster. any real fast character (sm-naruto, sasuke, kb, raikage, probably even kakashi) would have killed him within seconds and even sakura was able to dodge most of his moves (without chiyo).

If Sakura didn't have the antidote she would have died, just as Naruto, Sasuke, KB, Raikage, and even Kakashi. All it'd take is one scratch. Sakura + Chiyo was the best match up because Sakura had the ability to make an antidote and Chiyo knew most of Sasori's moves and had the exact same quality of attacks to counter him and a few years of experience with her puppets. [Which is why she could do a 1:10 ratio with her ten puppets.]
Yes her puppets were built better however it still takes skill to use a weapon, or ten weapons to be exact.

concerning relying on samehada: obviously he's able to loose it, it has a free will and is most of the time not connected with him. thats a huge difference to stamina, sharingan or the replacable god realm.

The Samehada attaches to the person who's Chakra it likes most. Assuming his ONLY source of fighting was the Samehada would be stupid because if it was he wouldn't be chosen to go after such high Bijuu, [More tails = More Chakra = Samehada leaving Kisame. Akatsuki aren't that stupid.] He didn't RELY on Samehada he simply preferred to get up-close and personal with his sword because it not only was fatal but it weakened the enemy. It's a logical choice to use something that weakens your opponent and is fatal to them also. [It's the same concept as Sasori's Poison.]

 

[The Pervy Sage]

face it sasori is after the supporter (zetsu, konan) the weakest akatsuki-member, even hidan is faster. any real fast character (sm-naruto, sasuke, kb, raikage, probably even kakashi) would have killed him within seconds and even sakura was able to dodge most of his moves (without chiyo).

If Sakura didn't have the antidote she would have died, just as Naruto, Sasuke, KB, Raikage, and even Kakashi. All it'd take is one scratch. Sakura + Chiyo was the best match up because Sakura had the ability to make an antidote and Chiyo knew most of Sasori's moves and had the exact same quality of attacks to counter him and a few years of experience with her puppets. [Which is why she could do a 1:10 ratio with her ten puppets.]
Yes her puppets were built better however it still takes skill to use a weapon, or ten weapons to be exact.

concerning relying on samehada: obviously he's able to loose it, it has a free will and is most of the time not connected with him. thats a huge difference to stamina, sharingan or the replacable god realm.

The Samehada attaches to the person who's Chakra it likes most. Assuming his ONLY source of fighting was the Samehada would be stupid because if it was he wouldn't be chosen to go after such high Bijuu, [More tails = More Chakra = Samehada leaving Kisame. Akatsuki aren't that stupid.] He didn't RELY on Samehada he simply preferred to get up-close and personal with his sword because it not only was fatal but it weakened the enemy. It's a logical choice to use something that weakens your opponent and is fatal to them also. [It's the same concept as Sasori's Poison.]

But kisame, on his own has a mass chakra suply, and if he has such a high chakra supply he msut have some strong techniques, but why would he bother with that if he had an unbeatable combo?
Look at the massive dome of water he summoned, also he is quite smart as he tricked bee by making it seem like he was going after sabu chan



As for kakuzu, he was strong, a bit slow, a bit too full of himself, but overall he was strong and quite smart, the way he combined different element techniques when he fought kakashi was quite smart, i dont think we saw him do enough to rate him highly though.

Hidan was one of the funniest charated, well next to when madara was being tobi Technically he still isnt dead but anyway he was an idiot and people wouldnt of beat him if they hadnt of seen his technique before

 

[apple pie of doom]

Well out of all of Akatsuki I'd have to say that in my number of rankings from members...its probably

1 - Itachi
2 - pein
3 - Kisame
4 - Kakuzu
5 - Sasori
6 - Deidara
7 - Hidan
8 - Konan

I did'nt count zetsu and madara in since they haven't really fought yet, and did'nt put orochimaru in because he's not a member anymore.
Anyway, I think the top 4 of those could beat Jiraiya, and I'm pretty sure Orochimaru could beat Jiraiya as well.

 

[yoshimitsu]

He gains their power not their Kekkie Genkai. He'd need to take them from someone, AKA Danzo, Kakashi, Itachi, or Sasuke. Edit: I forgot to add onto this. I don't think he'd be able to take any one of these people, [Kakashi and Sasuke maybe though they're almost never alone.]

Also I'm not 100% sure if the people actually get to chose their partner. [Diedara would have never have picked Tobi.. :U]

Their honest mistake was splitting up, if they stayed together even when Hidan "Died" Kakuzu could have just kept fixing him up. They were an amazing team, but individuals get beat because their weaknesses are exposed a lot easier. :]

well if a shinobi has a kekkai genkai for 2 elements and kakuzu takes his heart, im pretty sure he would gain both elements, maybe not a mixture of both but individually, yes. also, sharingan is a kekkai genkai yet we see non-uchiha members wield it. madara even says there are still probably more secrets to be unlocked. therefore, it is possible for kakuzu to have assimulated one or a few sharingans, seeing as he was alive before the time of the ninja system.

also i claim their deaths to be hidans fault because it was. a smarter teamate would know somethings up if they're being separated forcibly. also, if i were hidan and stuck in some shadow forcing me to move at its whim, id probably shout out to kakuzu "hey kill this guy moving me or follow me until it wears off". also, as ive mentioned in a previous post, hidan could have hid himself to kill with his ritual. but instead, he rather shows it off in hopes of inspiring fear into his foe. he doesnt realize he's giving out his best tech too. if he had done that from the shadows, ohh boy would he have been a dangerous char. 1 touch of blood and ur ko.

edit: another reason why i think kakuzu is so good is because he has as many lives as he does hearts, and will live so long as he has a heart. what if he had hid one heart prior to a combat? should he lose the fight he would have a chance to redeem himself. even if 90 years later, the other guy would have become weaker if he didnt bother to learn some immortality jutsu.

also, if its not an ability unique to hidan to have parts severed from his body reattached and functional, then kakuzu would also have the ability to revive dead people if he can use his hair connector things to attach one vain to another, or one muscle to another, or possibly one neuron to the others and force copies of a specific genome? kakuzu had insane potential... really wished he was developed more.

edit : ALSO, why wouldnt kakuzu be able to use kekkai genkais of others? danzou has mokuton, which is the 1st's ability. and non-uchiha's have sharingans, just like danzou. kakuzu was really smart, just being lazy. if he survived naruto's FRS, he would have been like "yeah, get ur ass up kakuzu"

 

[The Pervy Sage]

well if a shinobi has a kekkai genkai for 2 elements and kakuzu takes his heart, im pretty sure he would gain both elements, maybe not a mixture of both but individually, yes. also, sharingan is a kekkai genkai yet we see non-uchiha members wield it. madara even says there are still probably more secrets to be unlocked. therefore, it is possible for kakuzu to have assimulated one or a few sharingans, seeing as he was alive before the time of the ninja system.

also i claim their deaths to be hidans fault because it was. a smarter teamate would know somethings up if they're being separated forcibly. also, if i were hidan and stuck in some shadow forcing me to move at its whim, id probably shout out to kakuzu "hey kill this guy moving me or follow me until it wears off". also, as ive mentioned in a previous post, hidan could have hid himself to kill with his ritual. but instead, he rather shows it off in hopes of inspiring fear into his foe. he doesnt realize he's giving out his best tech too. if he had done that from the shadows, ohh boy would he have been a dangerous char. 1 touch of blood and ur ko.

edit: another reason why i think kakuzu is so good is because he has as many lives as he does hearts, and will live so long as he has a heart. what if he had hid one heart prior to a combat? should he lose the fight he would have a chance to redeem himself. even if 90 years later, the other guy would have become weaker if he didnt bother to learn some immortality jutsu.

also, if its not an ability unique to hidan to have parts severed from his body reattached and functional, then kakuzu would also have the ability to revive dead people if he can use his hair connector things to attach one vain to another, or one muscle to another, or possibly one neuron to the others and force copies of a specific genome? kakuzu had insane potential... really wished he was developed more.

Man i agree with you and love the name by the way
I guess there weakness was there over confidence, but everyone must admitt there combined techniques and working together was great

 

[yoshimitsu]

Sasori!

sasori of the red sand was the best puppet user and probably one of the best at making irreversible poisons. his form hints us that he has achieved a form of immortality through puppetry.

it goes without saying he has to have been a pretty powerful ninja to have been able to beat the 3rd kazekage, rumored to be the strongest of the kazekages.

he was also regarded as a senpei/sensei from deidara's perspective, whom ive analysed in a previous post. maybe because at the time, deidara was the new kid, but even if that were so, he wouldnt have been as mellow as he was whenever instructed or given an order by sasori.

unfortunately, he got double teamed by sakura and chiyo, his grandmother that knew his parents and a few of his tricks. they also had a spare antidote with them, made by sakura, taught by tsunade. it was almost a 3 on 1 battle. without the aid of any other, that is, in a 1v1 fight, sasori probably would have done them over with.

ill finish this post when i get back, gtg class.

re!

i cant say for sure how strong he is since he gave the fight, but judging from what we do know he's capable of and from what we've seen from him,he's still a strong shinobi. he doesnt really have any elemental weaknesses since he's a puppet made of (???). he's sort of like kakuzu in that he can use the remains of a corpse: he made a puppet out of the 3rd kazekage's deceased body after all.

i rate sasori 6.8/10

 

[twistedlink]

Sakura dodged some of sasoris moves without chiyo???

The only thing i remember sakura dodging herself was the 3rd kazekage puppets iron sand blocks, and thats because they were huge objects going fairly slowly compared to his poisoned needles.

As to scoring, its difficult, deidara lost to sasuke due to elemental weakness, but at that fight skill wise id rate deidara slightly higher, because deidara was at a massive weakness, it was sheer luck sasuke had the right element to beat deidara, had sasuke only been able to use fire and some other element, he would not have been able to de-activate the boimbs and many of deidaras attacks would have hit.

Tobi/zetsu/konan I won't bother rating because Tobi hasnt shown everything yet, neither has zetsu, and I am of the opinion Konan was only tagging along with pain because she had nobody else to go to, but was very upset with how things had turned out, and sm naruto came to nagato konan seemed pleased that naruto was turning him good.

For that reason I dont actually think she tried her hardest against Jiraiya.

Pain isnt sarcastic nor is he witty, or makes sly offhand comments, but he did say to Konan

"Kill him before I get there if you can"

I honestly dont think he was taking the piss out of her, as we have never seen him with that kind of attitude before.

Pain however didn't know about sage mode.

As such I think without the emotional attachment konan could take down non sm Jiraiya.

Rankings, based on averages due to being super strong when theyre at elemental advantage and being super weak when theyre at elemental disadvantage.

1 being Genin, 10 being sage of 6 paths strength.

Itachi-9.0
Kisame-8.8
Pain-8.5 (he does have weaknesses, and yes Kisame is stronger, those bodies are linked, Kisame would suck Nagato dry with samehada)
Sasori-8.2
Kakuzu-7.8
Deidara-7.5
Hidan-7.0 (might be slow and stupid but you gotta be extremely careful, one screw up and he has your blood-you're dead)

 

[The Pervy Sage]

Sakura dodged some of sasoris moves without chiyo???

The only thing i remember sakura dodging herself was the 3rd kazekage puppets iron sand blocks, and thats because they were huge objects going fairly slowly compared to his poisoned needles.

As to scoring, its difficult, deidara lost to sasuke due to elemental weakness, but at that fight skill wise id rate deidara slightly higher, because deidara was at a massive weakness, it was sheer luck sasuke had the right element to beat deidara, had sasuke only been able to use fire and some other element, he would not have been able to de-activate the boimbs and many of deidaras attacks would have hit.

Tobi/zetsu/konan I won't bother rating because Tobi hasnt shown everything yet, neither has zetsu, and I am of the opinion Konan was only tagging along with pain because she had nobody else to go to, but was very upset with how things had turned out, and sm naruto came to nagato konan seemed pleased that naruto was turning him good.

For that reason I dont actually think she tried her hardest against Jiraiya.

Pain isnt sarcastic nor is he witty, or makes sly offhand comments, but he did say to Konan

"Kill him before I get there if you can"

I honestly dont think he was taking the piss out of her, as we have never seen him with that kind of attitude before.

Pain however didn't know about sage mode.

As such I think without the emotional attachment konan could take down non sm Jiraiya.

Rankings, based on averages due to being super strong when theyre at elemental advantage and being super weak when theyre at elemental disadvantage.

1 being Genin, 10 being sage of 6 paths strength.

Itachi-9.0
Kisame-8.8
Pain-8.5 (he does have weaknesses, and yes Kisame is stronger, those bodies are linked, Kisame would suck Nagato dry with samehada)
Sasori-8.2
Kakuzu-7.8
Deidara-7.5
Hidan-7.0 (might be slow and stupid but you gotta be extremely careful, one screw up and he has your blood-you're dead)

Kisame would have to be close to pain to suck out the chakra, but god realm pain can blast kisame away while the other path of pain summons creatures to beat him down

I think pain would win

 

[Michael92]

Something actually struck my mind. What if Konan didn`t really fight to her fullest for a purpose? Maybe she has some really insane techniques that she would only use if someone actually tryed to attack the real Pein(Nagato). Because when Naruto arrived, he declared that he wanted to talk.

And if i don`t remember wrong, she didn`t say that she would only leave after Pein sacrefised himself? Didn`t she say that she and the country with name i`ve forgotten would be the ally of Konoha/Help out Konoha in the future?

Maybe we would get to see her true potensial fighting for the good side later on

PS: Whoever loled me... Lol you back

 

[twistedlink]

Kisame would have to be close to pain to suck out the chakra, but god realm pain can blast kisame away while the other path of pain summons creatures to beat him down

I think pain would win

-_-'

theyre all linked.

He doesnt have to go against the god realm at all, he simply has to absorb the chakra as soon as one of them or his summons come near him, then make a massive ball of water like he did with KB, and move at incredible speeds absorbing attacks.

 

[The Pervy Sage]

-_-'

theyre all linked.

He doesnt have to go against the god realm at all, he simply has to absorb the chakra as soon as one of them or his summons come near him, then make a massive ball of water like he did with KB, and move at incredible speeds absorbing attacks.

You think pain would let kisame that close?

 

[The Pervy Sage]

Something actually struck my mind. What if Konan didn`t really fight to her fullest for a purpose? Maybe she has some really insane techniques that she would only use if someone actually tryed to attack the real Pein(Nagato). Because when Naruto arrived, he declared that he wanted to talk.

And if i don`t remember wrong, she didn`t say that she would only leave after Pein sacrefised himself? Didn`t she say that she and the country with name i`ve forgotten would be the ally of Konoha/Help out Konoha in the future?

Maybe we would get to see her true potensial fighting for the good side later on

PS: Whoever loled me... Lol you back

I think konan is gone for good from the manga now

 

[twistedlink]

You think pain would let kisame that close?

I think Pain would attack as well, meaning he has to get close with summons or other bodies.

Dont underestimate Kisame when hes fused in water he is wicked fast, and shinra tensei is based off gravitational forces, theres a reason they used to set off atom bombs in vast waters, because water is a much denser medium than air, as such they could measure its power output without such a massive blast.

In other words God realms abilities would be lessered by the volume of water.

 

[Michael92]

I think konan is gone for good from the manga now

Wanna bet?xd

 

[RasenganKing]

Let's start by discussing Deidara.. This young kid was smart as he showed us on his battle against Gaara and his "Fake death" against Kakashi & company..

He outsmarted Gaara into placing little bombs into his special sand when Gaara executed the Sand Coffin on Deidara's arm.. This was able to break into Gaara's ultimate defense and implode him inside the ball of sand he was hidding.. Pretty smart move but at the expense of his arm (He knew Kakuzu could re-attached back,anyways).. He also manipulated Gaara into wasting all his chakra left to save the village of a huge clay bomb..

His fight against Sasuke was great and he used some insanely strong techniques like the one who makes things deteorate via inhalling of little fragments of chackra/clay mini bombs..
He simply was out-smarted by Sasuke everytime and the fact that Sasuke had Sharingan and the cursed seal power helped alot as well..
He just searched the wrong opponent at the wrong time..

His ultimate artistic jutsu would have worked but once again he was out-smarted by Sasuke..

All in all,Deidara was powerfull and stronger then normal.. Smart but rushed and kind of dumb when emotionally altered by anger.. Specially about the cold cursed eyes of the ones who possess Sharingan.. Itachi/Sasuke..

Deidara gets ranked 7 out of 10 in my book..

I totally agree with you 110%! Deidara was one of the best Akatsuki members.! He really showed us what he could do when he fought Sasuke. Another reason why he lost was because he forgot that Sasuke's Lightning Style was more effective on Deidara's Earth Style! But Deidara was a worthy opponent!

 

[John Constantine]

Kakuzu was one of the Immortals and Hidan's partner in Akatsuki. He is 90+ years old making him very experienced in battle.
Kakuzu killed the village elders, took their hearts, and fled with knowledge of the village's most prized forbidden techniques.
Kakuzu was a very powerful ninja, as every opponent he had been seen fighting had been defeated with little effort. He had extremely high taijutsu, and many moves of ninjutsu techniques of multiple elements and a highly analytical mind. Those traits allowed him to fight several high-level opponents while generally controlling the pace of the fight,like he did with Kakashi and company..
Kakuzu was shown to be a keen analyst and very intelligent.
He was very fast and very powerfull and possessed 5 Elements,as well as 5 hearts. Making him very hard to beat..

I'll rank him an 8.4/10..

A little bit stronger then Sasori and a little bit weaker then Kisame..

Next : Uchiha Itachi

So far:

- Kisame 8.5/10
- Kakuzu 8.4/10
- Sasori 8.2/10
- Deidara 7.5/10
- Hidan 6/10
- Konan 5.2/10

 

[The Pervy Sage]

Wanna bet?xd

Lol dont start that again, you know i will be right