[Discussion] Ace shouldn't be underestimated, folks

[I m an Ass]

Ace had Roger's blood and was on the ship of the worlds strongest man...someone who could of possibly made him the next pirate king and the was strong enough to protect Roger's last remaining attachment to the world (until marineford)

while Luffy holding the blood of the most wanted man was just a random pirate who the GOV probably thought would of died trying to become something.

The way I see ace's bounty is like being the right formula in the right hands. It's like giving the right weapon to the right criminal as opposed to just having a weapon roaming around. Both pose a threat but one if in under the right conditions to cause even a greater threat.

That's just they way I see things though, your view may be completely different

Are you serious man ?

-luffy's father is the most dangerous criminal in the one piece verse
-luffy's brother is the pirate king son
-luffy is associated with the withebeard pirates
-Luffy break in Impel Down
-Luffy is associated with shanks who's probaby now the strongest yonko for god sake
-cp9 arc nuff said

this is way more than ace,what are you talking about man ?

 

[David1996]

Luffy > Ace.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Ace feast:

- At 18 years, fighting with Jinbei equally for three days, Luffy done same after time skip.
- Has higgest shown bounty in the series.
- Off seting attack from second strongest Admiral (Aokiji), while being battle worn.
- Giving BB high diff. BB who was able to give Shanks scar (while Shanks was on guard).
- Being killed by Akainu, in order to protect Luffy.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Ace feast:

- At 18 years, fighting with Jinbei equally for three days, Luffy done same after time skip.
- Has higgest shown bounty in the series.
- Off seting attack from second strongest Admiral (Aokiji), while being battle worn.
- Giving BB high diff. BB who was able to give Shanks scar (while Shanks was on guard).
- Being killed by Akainu, in order to protect Luffy.

1. Was only able to do so because he had a more OP fruit than Luffy's. Give Luffy the MMnM at 18 and he probably could have done the same thing.
2. It was only that high because he was the son of Gol D. Roger and joined the Whitebeard Pirates.
3. Could only do so because Fire>Ice. Replace Aokiji's attack with Yasakani no Magatama and I doubt Ace would have cancelled out the attack.
4. We didn't see the entire fight so we don't know if BB was pushed to high diff. We do not know the conditions of how BB gave Shanks that scar, for all we know Shanks was weak back then.
5. How is that a feat?

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Ace is actually overrated(There was even a big debate on people saying Ace>Doflamingo and Ace>Luffy XD)

Ace has more stamina and raw power thats a given but he is completly useless when fighting Logia's(unless he has a natural advantage)

He doesnt even have Busoshoku Haki and the only reason he survived for so long in the new world because he was under WB's protection....Ace is kinda like Enel...An overconfident person with a powerful Devil Fruit

 

[ultraChalk]

Recently many people are calling Ace fodder, that he got killed easily at Marineford. But even now, Ace still has the HIGHEST bounty ever shown in both the anime (including non-canon) and the manga. Akainu beat Ace because he had a superior devil fruit, ace was trying to save luffy, and Akainu is the strongest admiral in the manga. You can say bounty is not equal to strenght, well it's very obvious that a weakling can't get bounty like Ace's. None of the shichibukai has bounty equal to Ace's

Ace's death was necessity of the plot, if he was alive, he'd still be a strong guy. The second in command of world's strongest pirate crew is no joke

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1) Actually, Aokiji is the strongest Marine to ever live.
2) I used to think that, but Crocodile become a War Lord with a bounty of 80,000,000. So bounty is no longer impressive, to me at least.
3) Mingos bounty was over 100,000,000 less than Aces. Think Ace would stand a chance against him? That bounty didn't come from pure strength, it came from reputation and occupation of WB's ship. I'm more than positive all his other commanders had bounty equal to or higher than Ace.

Also, link to where Ace was called fodder, I find that very hard to believe. :|
If anything, he's overestimated.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

1) Actually, Aokiji is the strongest Marine to ever live.
2) I used to think that, but Crocodile become a War Lord with a bounty of 80,000,000. So bounty is no longer impressive, to me at least.
3) Mingos bounty was over 100,000,000 less than Aces. Think Ace would stand a chance against him? That bounty didn't come from pure strength, it came from reputation and occupation of WB's ship. I'm more than positive all his other commanders had bounty equal to or higher than Ace.

Also, link to where Ace was called fodder, I find that very hard to believe. :|
If anything, he's overestimated.

1- Really? Akainu? Garp? Sengoku?

 

[ultraChalk]

1- Really? Akainu? Garp? Sengoku?

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[I'm stupid real stupid]

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Bruh dat was before we saw Akainu

 

[jiraiya lives]

Bruh dat was before we saw Akainu

This probably means the The world Govt believed Aokiji was the strongest marine (which could of been possible at the time) Until he was put up against someone with a stronger DF than him and lost after 10 days

 

[ultraChalk]

Bruh dat was before we saw Akainu

Doesn't matter what we saw, bruh.
It's about the knowledge that the gorosei have, bruh.

They're the top dogs, they already know of all the admirals and their power levels.

This probably means the The world Govt believed Aokiji was the strongest marine (which could of been possible at the time) Until he was put up against someone with a stronger DF than him and lost after 10 days

guys are we serious or joking here... you guys think the gorosei don't know the power levels of their own admirals??? what the heck is this

sounds like denial to me

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Doesn't matter what we saw, bruh.
It's about the knowledge that the gorosei have, bruh.

They're the top dogs, they already know of all the admirals and there power levels.


guys are we serious or joking here... you guys think the gorosei don't know the power levels of their own admirals??? what the heck is this

sounds like denial to me

If Aokiji was so powerful why did the Gorrosei choose Akainu over him?

 

[Bogard]

I like Ace and all but if anything he is overrated lately by people placing him above people like Jozu. I don't think he was far behind current Sabo's strength though and if he lived 2 years longer, he'd have been admiral level already

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Ace shouldn't overestimated. Ace lost to Yami Teach and Yami Teach was almost killed by Magellan, owned by a Whitebeard on deaths door and got hurt pretty badly against Impel Down Luffy.

If Aokiji was so powerful why did the Gorrosei choose Akainu over him?

Because Akainu is better suited for their goals. The Gorosei want to prevent the uprising of another 'D' like Gol Roger and they how Akainu went on an unstoppable rampage to kill Portas D. Ace and Monkey D. Luffy. I used to think Akainu>Aokiji becuase of haki alone but you can't deny actual manga scans. Aokiji lost due to a elemental disadvantage.

 

[Bogard]

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It was a mistranslation. If i remember correctly in the raw of this page, it was referring to the admiral rank as whole, not just Kuzan. Pay attention that later on, Robin said Sengoku is above him

Ace shouldn't overestimated. Ace lost to Yami Teach and Yami Teach was almost killed by Magellan, owned by a Whitebeard on deaths door and got hurt pretty badly against Impel Down Luffy.

I see you're infact a joke poster

 

[Gintõki1]

He isn't. You shouldn't even care about the retards in this section that are calling every character besides their fav fodder.

 

[Gintõki1]

If Aokiji was so powerful why did the Gorrosei choose Akainu over him?

Idk which Manga you read but that is so obvious like hell.
Akainu's justice way is more useful to them. He doesn't care if it's pirates or his marine people, he ****s them up when they are against them.
Aokiji isn't an ******* like him and never liked the way of the Gorosei.

 

[VongolaX]

I feel like when they were putting in Ace's bounty, they were just typing away....

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His worth just because he is Rogers son

 

[ultraChalk]

It was a mistranslation. If i remember correctly in the raw of this page, it was referring to the admiral rank as whole, not just Kuzan. Pay attention that later on, Robin said Sengoku is above him
I see you're infact a joke poster

Eh, gonna need proof of this with the scan. If that was the case, it would've said 'the strongest rank' or 'the 3 strongest' or something. Here, it specifically refers to him as the strongest individual man.

Till then I'm just sticking with the fax.