What is the difference between gudodama and yin-yang style

[Draw]

When obito was in his v1 state he ran through tobirama, and killed hiruzen w the black orbs and they were able to regenerate


Then when it went to v2 the black orbs could destroy minato's body.


What is the difference I don't get it aren't the two techniques the same?

 

[Rize]

obito probably didnt figure it out till after being in the form fr a while

 

[The Necromancer]

Gudoudamas are the black orbs circling around Juubi Jins. Onmyoudon is the ability to cancel out any ninjutsu.

Soooo many members need to understand this distinction.

In other words, Naruto has Gudoudamas, but has not shown the ability to use Onmyoudon.

 

[Young Vongola]

Gudoudamas are the black orbs circling around Juubi Jins. Onmyoudon is the ability to cancel out any ninjutsu.

Soooo many members need to understand this distinction.

In other words, Naruto has Gudoudamas, but has not shown the ability to use Onmyoudon.

But so far from what we've seen, they only get Truth Seeking balls when they have the ability to use Onmyoudon. Obito didn't have them when he first became a jin.

 

[The Necromancer]

But so far from what we've seen, they only get Truth Seeking balls when they have the ability to use Onmyoudon. Obito didn't have them when he first became a jin.

Onmyoudon is typically used through the Gudoudama medium, but it can be used from anywhere.

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[Sir Cool Blizzard]

From what we can tell Naruto does have omyondon due to Senjustu of six paths......since obito gained the ability to use omyondon only after activating six paths senjustu. We even get the confirmation from Sasuke admitting that its same as Kaguya's gudoudama.

 

[Young Vongola]

Onmyoudon is typically used through the Gudoudama medium, but it can be used from anywhere.

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Do you not see the balls pushing away the Amaterasu?

 

[rollin]

Gudodamas are made with more elements that make the more fluid-like

 

[The Necromancer]

From what we can tell Naruto does have omyondon due to Senjustu of six paths......since obito gained the ability to use omyondon only after activating six paths senjustu. We even get the confirmation from Sasuke admitting that its same as Kaguya's gudoudama.

This is exactly what I'm referring to, Naruto has Gudoudamas, he has not shown Onmyoudon in any form. U_U

Do you not see the balls pushing away the Amaterasu?

No...? His wing appendages are. His physical body was hit with Amaterasu in the first place.

"It doesn't even work if we hit him." -Tobirama

 

[KCMNaruto]

Usage Edit

The Truth-Seeking Balls can be shaped into a variety of forms, allowing them the flexibility to be used for offensive, defensive, and supplementary purposes. Obito Uchiha shaped the balls by having them pierce through holes that temporarily formed in his hands,[4] whereas other users forego this process and simply mould them.[5] The balls can wrap around the user to act as a defensive shield,[6] or be launched to serve as high-speed projectiles.[7] They are also capable of causing massive explosions by rapidly expanding in size.[8]

According to Hiruzen Sarutobi, this technique uses attacks that instantly turn their target to dust, similar to Dust Release, but the technique's fluid nature allows it to serve both offensive and defensive purposes, and it can be maintained. Hiruzen also noted that, since the substance is a combination of more than three nature transformations, it is neither a kekkei genkai nor kekkei tōta, but greater than both.[4] This technique can utilise Yin–Yang Release to nullify all ninjutsu the balls touch. As a result, any damage done by this technique to a reincarnated individual who can usually regenerate infinitely cannot be repaired, and said individual could die.[9] However, Obito's Truth-Seeking Balls did not nullify ninjutsu prior to him gaining control over the Ten-Tails' power.[4]

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[Young Vongola]

No...? His wing appendages are. His physical body was hit with Amaterasu in the first place.

"It doesn't even work if we hit him." -Tobirama

Yeah he got hit, but you can clearly see the balls are pushing away the Amaterasu...look closely. They have much lighter lines compared to the flames. It's even in the anime

 

[The Necromancer]

Yeah he got hit, but you can clearly see the balls are pushing away the Amaterasu...look closely. They have much lighter lines compared to the flames. It's even in the anime

Even if that's true, that doesn't prove at all that there isn't a difference between the two. Before gaining control Juubito did not have Onmyoudon despite having Gudoudamas. Why? Because he didn't know he could use it.

Even kaguya could use it without Gudoudamas.

 

[Young Vongola]

Even if that's true, that doesn't prove at all that there isn't a difference between the two. Before gaining control Juubito did not have Onmyoudon despite having Gudoudamas. Why? Because he didn't know he could use it.

Even kaguya could use it without Gudoudamas.

I know you can use omnyoudon without gudoudama, you just used the wrong picture to display that. Anyway, my point is: if you have gudoudama then you can use omnyoudon. There's nothing that proves otherwise. Until it's confirmed that he can't, Naruto has omnyoudon. Not once has a person with gudoudama NOT been able to use omnyoudon.

 

[The Necromancer]

I know you can use omnyoudon without gudoudama, you just used the wrong picture to display that. Anyway, my point is: if you have gudoudama then you can use omnyoudon. There's nothing that proves otherwise. Until it's confirmed that he can't, Naruto has omnyoudon. Not once has a person with gudoudama NOT been able to use omnyoudon.

Just like Madara could use animal path, or Obito could use Preta path?

Naruto may have the capacity to learn it, but until he does, he does not have it.

 

[Draw]

I see, makes sense, I'm going to also go with that gudodama shape changing can be considered as a shape change of yin-yang release. But what confuses me, is that I feel like one needs to have both power naruto and Sasuke possess in order to use YY style. Naruto has yang chakra not both

 

[Young Vongola]

Just like Madara could use animal path, or Obito could use Preta path?

Naruto may have the capacity to learn it, but until he does, he does not have it.

You're saying it like it had to be learned...Obito didn't learn how to use it and neither did Madara. It's an ability granted to users containing all the biju's chakra in them. Hagoromo, Kaguya, Madara, Obito. Why would Naruto be any different? We've already seen that he's capable of flight and manipulation of the gudoudama just like everyone else - why would omnyoudon be the only thing left out? That would honestly just be poor writing.

You can't compare it to the Rinnegan which has been different for users since Nagato.

 

[The Necromancer]

You're saying it like it had to be learned...Obito didn't learn how to use it and neither did Madara. It's an ability granted to users containing all the biju's chakra in them. Hagoromo, Kaguya, Madara, Obito. Why would Naruto be any different? We've already seen that he's capable of flight and manipulation of the gudoudama just like everyone else - why would omnyoudon be the only thing left out? That would honestly just be poor writing.

You can't compare it to the Rinnegan which has been different for users since Nagato.

You can't compare an uchiha's learning of a technique to Naruto's. Naruto couldn't even hover until he was forced to instinctively. Obito and Madara could fly near instantly.

However, this debate was not the intention I had for this thread. My intention was to prove that the two were completely independent techniques, which has been clarified.

 

[3MESSIAH]

@necromancer

I think naruto does have the power of onmyoudon...remember when he cancelled out madara's raiton attack? However i could be mistaken and it was a simple gudoudama defense but it did look like it nullified madara's jutsu

 

[Seventh Sama]

onmyoudon allows TSB to cancel ninjutsu, Regular TSB doesn't.

 

[Cammo]

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