What If: Alive BSM Hashirama vs Dual Rinnegan Madara (Alive)

[Lord Fear]

What if Hashirama was the jinchuuriki of The Seven Tails, Chomei, and they formed a perfect bond thus he could enter Bijuu Mode and combine it with his Sage mode. How would he fare against Madara?
Location: Valley of the End
Distance: 100 metres
Intel: Hashirama and Madara know how each other's techniques work
Aim: To kill each other.
DrawBacks: None
Fight!

 

[RedShadow]

Hashirama because Hashirama.

 

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When you have 2 Rennigan you can unlock your True Power

Dual R alive Madara is far above SM Hashirama can dream of Being

 

[Blunt]

1 Rinnegan Madara rapes, counter to Limbo is literally nonexistent for Hashirama.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Nothing additional to add considering Limbo still ohko's.

 

[ARGUS]

Madara still wins this

--With 5 limbo clones, along with Hashiramas SM thats also amplified by Hagoromos chakra, means that madara knocks hashirama down by Rinbo hengoku, and then immobilises him through chakra rods

--RH and GM combo gets rid of the bijuu inside hashirama as well, meaning that hashirama would be down on his knees

--Being the jin for Chomei really doesnt change much especially when hashirama stil has no way of percieving or hurting the limbo clones, nor are his SM techniques doing any better against madara who has them on top of the hagomoros chakra buff

 

[TRE MERCER]

Limbo solo's.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Lol
Madara rips the Bijuu out ouf Hashi leaving him to die

 

[KidGamer65]

Rinnegan and Rikudo Senjutsu are two halves of the power that makes JJ Madara at full power OP. With both eyes, he'd probably be around his level of strength when he only had one eye as the Juubi Jin, but probably quite a bit weaker since JJ Madara has one eye and Rikudo Senjutsu while DR Madara just has both eyes...nevertheless. He'd stomp Hashirama. Especially since he still can't counter Limbo.

 

[Blunt]

Rinnegan and Rikudo Senjutsu are two halves of the power that makes JJ Madara at full power OP. With both eyes, he'd probably be around his level of strength when he only had one eye as the Juubi Jin, but probably quite a bit weaker since JJ Madara has one eye and Rikudo Senjutsu while DR Madara just has both eyes...nevertheless. He'd stomp Hashirama. Especially since he still can't counter Limbo.

I don't think Rikudo's Senjutsu is making up for SM enhanced PS especially considering DR Madara also has Hagoromo's chakra(Smaller portion, but some nonetheless). One eyed JJ Madara can't use PS, nor can he utilize all of the Rinnegan's abilities.

I agree with the rest.

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't think Rikudo's Senjutsu is making up for SM enhanced PS especially considering DR Madara also has Hagoromo's chakra(Smaller portion, but some nonetheless). One eyed JJ Madara can't use PS, nor can he utilize all of the Rinnegan's abilities.

I agree with the rest.

You have a point there. Double Rinnegan Madara would probably be above any One Eyed Incarnation of himself. Before I would have laughed at the idea, but when I see someone like Kakashi get Obito's Sharingan and a portion of Rikudo's Chakra soar up to a level where he could even defeat Juubito, I'm pretty sure Madara with both eyes can do the same thing. Especially since Hagoromo's chakra flows through his body.

 

[Benjamin King]

Laughable match at best. EMS Madara was equal to Hashirama, and this is Rinnegan Madara who has Hagoromo's full power. This ends the match before it starts:

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[ChocolateVanilla]

Laughable match at best. EMS Madara was equal to Hashirama, and this is Rinnegan Madara who has Hagoromo's full power. This ends the match before it starts:

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To be fair, Tengai Shinsei is a suicide technique and would kill both of them, and Madara needs Juubi level reserves to create Chibaku Tensei that big, plus Hashirama can use Mayfly to counter it.
Also, are you counting the Kyuubi in EMS Madara's arsenal? Because he would be bent over without it

 

[Benjamin King]

To be fair, Tengai Shinsei is a suicide technique and would kill both of them, and Madara needs Juubi level reserves to create Chibaku Tensei that big, plus Hashirama can use Mayfly to counter it.
Also, are you counting the Kyuubi in EMS Madara's arsenal? Because he would be bent over without it

He can fly out of its range. @Bold, how did you come to the conclusion of needing Juubi's reserves to create them that big? Mayfly is merging with environment; it's not a counter. Plus, Hashirama doesn't have the Jutsu. Yes, Kurama is part of his arsenal. And he doesn't need it to be on par with Hashirama.​

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

He can fly out of its range. @Bold, how did you come to the conclusion of needing Juubi's reserves to create them that big? Mayfly is merging with environment; it's not a counter. Plus, Hashirama doesn't have the Jutsu. Yes, Kurama is part of his arsenal. And he doesn't need it to be on par with Hashirama.​

Wait what? Since when can Non-Juubi Jinchuuriki Madara
fly?
As for the CT, it's common sense. Those CT were easily the size of a single island in Hawaii. It would be much more reasonable to say that Madara can only create one of those at half size.

As for the Mayfly, you have a point since only Madara used it, but I would assume that it's a technique he inherited from Hashirama.
And Madara without Kurama would be beaten, badly. He's already been beaten once without him.

 

[Benjamin King]

Wait what? Since when can Non-Juubi Jinchuuriki Madara
fly?
As for the CT, it's common sense. Those CT were easily the size of a single island in Hawaii. It would be much more reasonable to say that Madara can only create one of those at half size.

As for the Mayfly, you have a point since only Madara used it, but I would assume that it's a technique he inherited from Hashirama.
And Madara without Kurama would be beaten, badly. He's already been beaten once without him.

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Madara has Hagoromo's Chakra inside of him. [

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] Naruto and Sasuke only achieved DC comparable to Madara's, after having Hagoromo's Chakra; and Naruto and Sasuke don't have the Juubi. Not to mention as Edo Tensei, the meteors he produced were calculated to be bigger than Shinsuusenju. And as Edo Tensei, he had portion of his full power and a fake Rinnegan.

Once again, how did you come to the conclusion of those asteroids is something done by the Juubi's Chakra, and not by the Rinnegan's full power, which hyped to be only Madara can do?​

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Orochimaru used Mayfly, and he didn't have Hashirama's cells back in P1. But for argument, lets say he has it; it won't benefit him. Where did Hashirama beat Madara without Kurama? If you're referring

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, this was the Senju clan vs Madara.​

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

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But does Sasuke not have Hagoromo's chakra as well? And I believe that that Nagato and Madara were levetating due to the Deva path.

Madara has Hagoromo's Chakra inside of him. [

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] Naruto and Sasuke only achieved DC comparable to Madara's, after having Hagoromo's Chakra; and Naruto and Sasuke don't have the Juubi. Not to mention as Edo Tensei, the meteors he produced were calculated to be bigger than Shinsuusenju. And as Edo Tensei, he had portion of his full power and a fake Rinnegan.

Once again, how did you come to the conclusion of those asteroids is something done by the Juubi's Chakra, and not by the Rinnegan's full power, which hyped to be only Madara can do?​

I understand that Madara has the potential to create CT that large, but the fact that he would need a shit ton of chakra to do it is what irks me.

Orochimaru used Mayfly, and he didn't have Hashirama's cells back in P1. But for argument, lets say he has it; it won't benefit him. Where did Hashirama beat Madara without Kurama? If you're referring

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, this was the Senju clan vs Madara.​

If he did have Mayfly, how would the rocks crush him? He would be merged in with the environment, so unless the rock he's merged with gets pulverized, I don't see how CT would kill him.
And as for that scan, what implies that they were fighting with Hashi? They merely could have been bystanders because nobody else in that era was even close to Hashirama and Madara. Imagine Tobirama trying to combat PS Lol

 

[Benjamin King]

But does Sasuke not have Hagoromo's chakra as well? And I believe that that Nagato and Madara were levetating due to the Deva path.

Hagoromo's Chakra are in Sasuke's eye. Hagoromo's Chakra are in Madara's eyes AND body. Madara was blind in the scan.​

I understand that Madara has the potential to create CT that large, but the fact that he would need a shit ton of chakra to do it is what irks me.

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If he did have Mayfly, how would the rocks crush him? He would be merged in with the environment, so unless the rock he's merged with gets pulverized, I don't see how CT would kill him.
And as for that scan, what implies that they were fighting with Hashi? They merely could have been bystanders because nobody else in that era was even close to Hashirama and Madara. Imagine Tobirama trying to combat PS

You're questioning whether those rocks he's hiding at will be crushed by multi-mountain meteorites? No, it won't make sense. Look at the scan, the Senju and Tobirama had dirt all over their clothes. That implies they were fighting him. And how did you know Madara got PS in that fight? Don't use anime. It's not canon.​

 

[Zee U]

Nobody actually calced the Tengai Shinseis iirc (and that should be done), but that's offtopic. Madara limbo's him.

 

[Benjamin King]

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