is anyon still confused about that part when

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hashirama meets madara at the river then tells him "I found this cool new jutsu I call the super awesome blah blah"

its probably mokuton but it could not
 

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I'm more confused on why kakashi didn't use his mangekyo at all for 20 years until he fought deidara.

I'm not sure when he discovered his mokuton.
 

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I'm more confused on why kakashi didn't use his mangekyo at all for 20 years until he fought deidara.

I'm not sure when he discovered his mokuton.

probably in his 16-20s

because fodders beside zabuza and itachi weren't worth his kamui feats
 

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he discovered his wood as a preteen.
 

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He was talking about a combination Jutsu he came up with that him and madara can perform together
 
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