[Discussion] For the posters who understimate how strong Akatsuki really was..

[yoshimitsu]

and my last post before im off to bed.

ill address sasori tomorrow, my last post will be about kakuzu since im a huge kakuzu fan. he's by far my fav villain. i dont count itachi as a villain, he's my fav hero.

now we all know kakuzu is potentially immortal, should he choose to stack massive masks/hearts. its important to mention that whomever's heart he steals, he also gains their abilities. kakuzu said so himself, that in order to gain multiple affinities, he had to get the hearts of powerful shinobi well aversed in that particular element. this means he has ways of using parts of people's body, even after death. we also know people who wield sharingans are not all of the uchiha bloodline. imagine if kakuzu had multiple sharingans too?? hoooooly crap. he would definitely find a way to use them, as smart as he is.

we also know kakuzu is very straight, in that he does things in a timely fashion and properly. he is punctual and expects hidan to be as well (i vaguely recall some scene hinting to that). he is also very calculative, figuratively and literally: he doesnt waste chakra or movement and examines his opponents before they even engage, and he literally counts all the money he's owed.

he probably knows a shitload of really potent jutsu in all elements, just requires hearts of the same affinity to reactivate their use or something. he just probably has tons of techs. he's also really strong, as we see him take on choji and his inflatable body and everyone else.

despite having been killed off too soon to my liking, he's made it to my wall of fame. this guy was genius. plus he looked really cool in normal form, his expanded hair form is not so cool.

a big mistake he made was taking hidan as his partner. yes, he could vent on him and yes he would not die, but for lack of intelligence on hidan's part they were both slain.

I give kakuzu an 8.36/10, with the potential of 9+/10.

 

[Sharpism]

That was mentioned.. Not only one but several of them LOL

I'm just saying considering him as an Akatsuki is kind of stupid. o___o;

Also Jiraiya against Kisame would be a stupid match up. You generally put your best person against someone else's best or top ranked. So I wouldn't ever expect a Jiraiya/Kisame match-up... :<

 

[kisamexRocks]

TO OP, totally agree. I loved how Deidara just destroyed Sasuke. Even Sasuke using his Genjutsu, Deidara was able to train his left eye to counter the Genjutsu and wreck Sasuke. Personally in my opinion, Sasuke should have been killed by Deidara.

 

[yoshimitsu]

I agree with most of your post again and i to think that Jiraiya would beat Kisame (eventhough i prefer Kisame)..
But to say Sarutobi is a 10/10 is pushing it.. Maybe in his prime but we didn't got to see that..
At his fight against Orochimaru he was easily dealed by Oro and Oro wouldn't even need the 2 Hokages.
That was just for emotional purposes from Oro to mess with Sarutobi..
I believe the 2 Hokages were far from his full force.. Take a look at my thread about the subject..

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yea im referring to sarutobi at his prime. we've never seen it, this is true, but its a lot more plausible than having the sage as my 10/10. we have no intel on him, asides from stories told by a scheming madara. i believe the hokages orochimaru summoned were at full strength, but after they got the tag implanted in their heads, they became mindless automatons, like zombies. thats why they didnt appear to be super strong, but remember when sarutobi does a fire tech and the 2nd creates so much water whilst overwhelmed by fire.

my 10/10 is a sarutobi in his prime. we havent seen it, but we know he, keyword, *was* the strongest of all kages and hokages.

edit : i would also have danzou or madara as a 10/10, but they arent dead yet so we do not know the extent of powers yet. or naruto's, or sasuke's. but for sure those 4 will be the strongest of the series. maybe zetsu too? or at least are currently, unless kishi introduces new ones.

 

[John Constantine]

yea im referring to sarutobi at his prime. we've never seen it, this is true, but its a lot more plausible than having the sage as my 10/10. we have no intel on him, asides from stories told by a scheming madara. i believe the hokages orochimaru summoned were at full strength, but after they got the tag implanted in their heads, they became mindless automatons, like zombies. thats why they didnt appear to be super strong, but remember when sarutobi does a fire tech and the 2nd creates so much water whilst overwhelmed by fire.

my 10/10 is a sarutobi in his prime. we havent seen it, but we know he, keyword, *was* the strongest of all kages and hokages.

He did defeated Danzou in his prime. Who we all know now it's super freaking strong..

 

[Sharpism]

and my last post before im off to bed.

ill address sasori tomorrow, my last post will be about kakuzu since im a huge kakuzu fan. he's by far my fav villain. i dont count itachi as a villain, he's my fav hero.

now we all know kakuzu is potentially immortal, should he choose to stack massive masks/hearts. its important to mention that whomever's heart he steals, he also gains their abilities. kakuzu said so himself, that in order to gain multiple affinities, he had to get the hearts of powerful shinobi well aversed in that particular element. this means he has ways of using parts of people's body, even after death. we also know people who wield sharingans are not all of the uchiha bloodline. imagine if kakuzu had multiple sharingans too?? hoooooly crap. he would definitely find a way to use them, as smart as he is.

we also know kakuzu is very straight, in that he does things in a timely fashion and properly. he is punctual and expects hidan to be as well (i vaguely recall some scene hinting to that). he is also very calculative, figuratively and literally: he doesnt waste chakra or movement and examines his opponents before they even engage, and he literally counts all the money he's owed.

he probably knows a shitload of really potent jutsu in all elements, just requires hearts of the same affinity to reactivate their use or something. he just probably has tons of techs. he's also really strong, as we see him take on choji and his inflatable body and everyone else.

despite having been killed off too soon to my liking, he's made it to my wall of fame. this guy was genius. plus he looked really cool in normal form, his expanded hair form is not so cool.

a big mistake he made was taking hidan as his partner. yes, he could vent on him and yes he would not die, but for lack of intelligence on hidan's part they were both slain.

I give kakuzu an 8.36/10, with the potential of 9+/10.

He gains their power not their Kekkie Genkai. He'd need to take them from someone, AKA Danzo, Kakashi, Itachi, or Sasuke. Edit: I forgot to add onto this. I don't think he'd be able to take any one of these people, [Kakashi and Sasuke maybe though they're almost never alone.]

Also I'm not 100% sure if the people actually get to chose their partner. [Diedara would have never have picked Tobi.. :U]

Their honest mistake was splitting up, if they stayed together even when Hidan "Died" Kakuzu could have just kept fixing him up. They were an amazing team, but individuals get beat because their weaknesses are exposed a lot easier. :]

 

[John Constantine]

and my last post before im off to bed.

ill address sasori tomorrow, my last post will be about kakuzu since im a huge kakuzu fan. he's by far my fav villain. i dont count itachi as a villain, he's my fav hero.

now we all know kakuzu is potentially immortal, should he choose to stack massive masks/hearts. its important to mention that whomever's heart he steals, he also gains their abilities. kakuzu said so himself, that in order to gain multiple affinities, he had to get the hearts of powerful shinobi well aversed in that particular element. this means he has ways of using parts of people's body, even after death. we also know people who wield sharingans are not all of the uchiha bloodline. imagine if kakuzu had multiple sharingans too?? hoooooly crap. he would definitely find a way to use them, as smart as he is.

we also know kakuzu is very straight, in that he does things in a timely fashion and properly. he is punctual and expects hidan to be as well (i vaguely recall some scene hinting to that). he is also very calculative, figuratively and literally: he doesnt waste chakra or movement and examines his opponents before they even engage, and he literally counts all the money he's owed.

he probably knows a shitload of really potent jutsu in all elements, just requires hearts of the same affinity to reactivate their use or something. he just probably has tons of techs. he's also really strong, as we see him take on choji and his inflatable body and everyone else.

despite having been killed off too soon to my liking, he's made it to my wall of fame. this guy was genius. plus he looked really cool in normal form, his expanded hair form is not so cool.

a big mistake he made was taking hidan as his partner. yes, he could vent on him and yes he would not die, but for lack of intelligence on hidan's part they were both slain.

I give kakuzu an 8.36/10, with the potential of 9+/10.

I will adress Kakuzu later as well as he is one of my favorites Akatsuki members as well..
And let's say my ranking from him is close to yours..

 

[Sharpism]

TO OP, totally agree. I loved how Deidara just destroyed Sasuke. Even Sasuke using his Genjutsu, Deidara was able to train his left eye to counter the Genjutsu and wreck Sasuke. Personally in my opinion, Sasuke should have been killed by Deidara.

Then he'd have to deal with Itachi and die. So it was illogical to kill Sasuke.

 

[John Constantine]

He gains their power not their Kekkie Genkai. He'd need to take them from someone, AKA Danzo, Kakashi, Itachi, or Sasuke.

Also I'm not 100% sure if the people actually get to chose their partner. [Diedara would have never have picked Tobi.. :U]

Their honest mistake was splitting up, if they stayed together even when Hidan "Died" Kakuzu could have just kept fixing him up. They were an amazing team, but individuals get beat because their weaknesses are exposed a lot easier. :]

I felt Kakuzu kind of lost because of Hidan's dumbness LOL..
I kinda like Hidan because how stupid he actually is.. Even all dismembered under rocks he kept screaming at Shikamaru that he would bite his head into pieces..
Actually i love both Hidan and Tobi's personalities LOL

 

[Sharpism]

I felt Kakuzu kind of lost because of Hidan's dumbness LOL..
I kinda like Hidan because how stupid he actually is.. Even all dismembered under rocks he kept screaming at Shikamaru that he would bite his head into pieces..
Actually i love both Hidan and Tobi's personalities LOL

I don't disagree with you at all, what I'm saying is that they were a PERFECT match-up because of the reason that Kakuzu could just keep bringing Hidan back to life so to speak. Their main fault was splitting up.

Edit: The whole purpose of having a partner is to have teamwork and a vast arange of different abilities increasing the percentage of the task at hand. For example if Kakuzu and Hidan essentially died 1 time per each konoha person they killed, they'd kill AT LEAST 5 people from Konoha [Assuming Kakuzu did ALL the killing, AND didn't take the persons organs he just killed.] That number would double if Hidan killed a person each time he died [Kakuzu bringing him back.]

And that number would be uncountable if Kakuzu took organs from each of the people he killed.

 

[John Constantine]

I don't disagree with you at all, what I'm saying is that they were a PERFECT match-up because of the reason that Kakuzu could just keep bringing Hidan back to life so to speak. Their main fault was splitting up.

I agree to a certain point.. And they looked like the perfect pair out of the whole Akatusi.. (Sasori & Oro seemed really good as well but we never got to see them together)
Kisame even goes on record that he would love to have seen the "Zombie Brothers" going down.. Damn,Kisame was so cool ahahah

 

[Sharpism]

I did a late edit. D:

 

[kisamexRocks]

Then he'd have to deal with Itachi and die. So it was illogical to kill Sasuke.

Well there wont be any problems with facing Itachi since Deidara kinda blows himself up alongside Sasuke. That's where I was going to, the Self Destruct thing that Deidara had pulled off should have finished Sasuke off for good.

 

[Sharpism]

Well there wont be any problems with facing Itachi since Deidara kinda blows himself up alongside Sasuke. That's where I was going to, the Self Destruct thing that Deidara had pulled off should have finished Sasuke off for good.

It would have made the series a lot more interesting that is for sure. xDD;

 

[John Constantine]

Well there wont be any problems with facing Itachi since Deidara kinda blows himself up alongside Sasuke. That's where I was going to, the Self Destruct thing that Deidara had pulled off should have finished Sasuke off for good.

Deidara was awesome in that fight but i have to add Sasuke was fantastique as well in that battle.. One of my favourite fights in the whole series..
Deidara was really pist off at Sasuke's cursed cold eyes..

 

[John Constantine]

Konan was the only female ninja in Akatsuki..

We didn't got to see much from her.Jiraiya beat her off with relative ease. She seemed to have amazing natural talent for origami, as seen with the paper flower she keeps in her hair and the angel wings she would create..

She also seems to be able to mold paper at her will as kunais,arrows or shurikens to attack..

All in all Pein had her powers at high-regards so we can only assume she was kind of strong and must have been. To be able to be part of such an organization as the Akatsuki..

From what i saw from her.. She's the weakest link..

5.2/10

So far my rankings:

- Kisame - 8.5/10
- Sasori - 8.2/10
- Deidara - 7.5/10
- Hidan - 6/10
- Konan - 5.2/10

Left:

Kakuzu
Itachi
Orochimaru
Pein
Tobi

I will not rank Zetsu as i don't know the full extend of his power..

 

[Sharpism]

Konan was the only female ninja in Akatsuki..

We didn't got to see much from her.Jiraiya beat her off with relative ease. She seemed to have amazing natural talent for origami, as seen with the paper flower she keeps in her hair and the angel wings she would create..

She also seems to be able to mold paper at her will as kunais,arrows or shurikens to attack..

All in all Pein had her powers at high-regards so we can only assume she was kind of strong and must have been. To be able to be part of such an organization as the Akatsuki..

From what i saw from her.. She's the weakest link..

This should be true because as the teams theory works you put you best person with your worst. [Pein was the 'best' because he was the leader (Or so we thought.)]

Just like Sasuke and Naruto got paired up at the beginning of the series.

 

[ReLax -]

Sasori - was strong. only reason he lost because chiyo knew his screats and at the end he had a change if heart because chiyo also said "he saw right thru my attack but still didnt dodge".

Hidan - is a retard pointless character i think. but if he was more smart he couldve half decent.

Kakuzu - Dude was strong no doubt. 5 lifes all elements = owned. i wouldve loved to see him along wit madara in the 4th great ninja war. it would be nice.

Deidara - We seen him battle gaara. a lil showdown wit kakashi/naruto/neji/rock lee/gai/tenten. he pushed sasuke to the limit i mena at the end him n sasuke were done until he pulled a self destruct and sasuke got out by oro transport.

Kisame - HE WAS COCKY AS HELL. in my opinions. i mean he was only known for samehada not any type of jutsu or anything. he still died by 8 tail jin and raikage so his death wasnt really a waste took pretty much 2 kage like ppl to defeat him.

Itachi - we all know him. SMART. he died becasue he wanted 2

Oro - This man was on some shit. no doubt was an amazing villian but damn he was strong he did take on Jiraya and tsunade at once wit no arms.

Pein - WELL HE WAS LEADER. he was damn strong also. killed jiraya/kakashi/shizune. defeat tsunade and lets not forget HANZO. enough said he still lost to naruto but i mean come on main character.

Zetsu - Hmmm. has something up his sleeves i mean he letched onto all te kages in the meeting witout them knowing.

Konan - She......was ok we didnt see much from her also she had a big hand on helping pein handle all his bodies or whatever.

i dunt know if im forgetting anyone except tobi.

but funny part was in almost all the teams there was someone alike:

Sasori/Diedara - diedara was more of the having fun laying bck type. sasori more srs type

Kakuzu/Hidan - hidan more of messing around. kakuzu srs

Itachi/Kisame - Kisame more cocky and itachi srs

pein/konan - both were srs

 

[twistedlink]

LOL to ruler michael.

Dude akatsuki are always outnumbered in the fights, and are always having their fighting styles analysed by previous fights.

1.Sasori-all of his moves became useless when chiyo knew when and where they were going to come from, it was said in the sasori arc that them poison needles are impossible to dodge unless you have seen them before (and why would you see them before and NOT die?)

Chiyo made most of sasoris attacks dodgable, cheapening his abilities greatly.

Sasori is definitely one of the strongest akatsuki and was only defeated due to his grandmother and a change of heart.

Also may I point out that zetsu did not know what Sasori truly looked like, and that's saying something considering zetsu watches and records fights for data on all akatsuki members, tobi was obviously keeping tabs on them all.

Deidara may seem weak, but lets get some things straight, he did win against gaara fairly, and the only reason he lost against sasuke was elemental reversal-deidaras element is weak against sasukes.

A level 100 Pikachu is strong against a level 100 squirtle, but weak against a level 100 geodude.

Deidara lost only because of elements, skill wise i still personally think deidara is slightly better, as he can make some amazing jutsu!

Hidan and Kakuzu were plotted against by shikamaru's amazing brain power, but even then they needed to get 8 ninjas involved to take out 2 akatsuki members, and let me remind you that it has been considered by many that Hidan was the weakest, and it still took 8 ninjas to beat them.

They were severely outnumbered, and even then kakuzu gave Kakashi a damn hard time, and pwned the fat guy and the blonde idiot.

As to Kisame being weak because he relies too much on his sword.

Erm

Sasuke relies too much on his sharingan
Naruto relies too much on his stamina and rasengan
Pain relies too much on god realm.

The list goes on, the point is Kisame was against the 8tails, not just that but KB had PERFECT control of this bijuu, and its only slightly less powerful than the 9tails (even with logirithmic scales, 8 tails must be a beast!)

Kisame took down the 3rd strongest bijuu in 2 chapters without even breaking a sweat.

May I also remind you that Kisame was then ganged up on by his own sword, KB, the Raikage, and 2 ANBU level jounins. And even then his death is slightly suspicious.


Pain was ganged up on by the entire village and many summons of naruto (toads) and he still pwned naruto.

What i find funny is Naruto had intel on pains secret, mastered sage mode more than Jiraiya, perfected rasengan and made its power ridiculously high, and could enter sage mode 3 times as much as Jiraiya, and Pain had used most of his chakra and STILL pain pinned naruto down lol.

"Jiraiya would have won if he'd known pains secret"

Bullshit, Kishi may be the writer but most can agree he has contradicted himself many times, plus he changes things so drastically and is rushing things.

I don't see how Jiraiya could have got to nagatos body while the 6 paths were going to protect the real body.

Lets face it once pain actually took Jiraiya semi seriously and used all 6 paths Jiraiya got owned.

Someone said Jiraiya was sneakily attacked from behind and lost an arm which is unfair.

No, it isnt unfair, as Pain said "dont turn your back on an enemy" plus the whole point of a Ninja is to hide and ambush attack, so actually it was entirely Jiraiyas amatuer nature that got his arm blown off.

Konan seemed to just tag along for the ride tbh.

Itachi, ive said enough about him in other threads already.

Nobody can break his tsukyomi, tobi said sasuke didnt see through Itachis illusions at all, Itachi just acted out sasuke beat his tsukyomi, and danzo said Itachis tsukyomi is beyond any other genjutsu, even sasukes mangekyou tsukyomi.
Amaterasu which can only be stopped by sharingan users, or sealed, sealing takes pen and paper, and Itachi set an entire football pitch size of land alight against sasuke, and then giant 100ft walls of the stuff around the battle arena, im sure thatd take a huge scroll, scrolls sizes appear to be based on chakra used, for example the scroll frog with the Yin chakra is huge, plus Narutos sage mode seal is massive.

Itachi would just burn your scroll and pen, and your hand, and your face.

Susano'o himself can take a beating, even without yatas mirror, and has brilliant offensive power.

Itachi then pimped his god, with a 100ft sword of eternal genjutsu, and with a sword that size you need stupid speed to dodge it, we saw kyuubi 4 tails get hit by the elongated sword of kusanagi.

Then to top it all off he has yatas mirror which reflects all known attacks.

I think its safe to say Itachi is the most badass character in the entire series.

 

[Sharpism]

Spoiler

Sasori - was strong. only reason he lost because chiyo knew his screats and at the end he had a change if heart because chiyo also said "he saw right thru my attack but still didnt dodge".

Hidan - is a retard pointless character i think. but if he was more smart he couldve half decent.

Kakuzu - Dude was strong no doubt. 5 lifes all elements = owned. i wouldve loved to see him along wit madara in the 4th great ninja war. it would be nice.

Deidara - We seen him battle gaara. a lil showdown wit kakashi/naruto/neji/rock lee/gai/tenten. he pushed sasuke to the limit i mena at the end him n sasuke were done until he pulled a self destruct and sasuke got out by oro transport.

Kisame - HE WAS COCKY AS HELL. in my opinions. i mean he was only known for samehada not any type of jutsu or anything. he still died by 8 tail jin and raikage so his death wasnt really a waste took pretty much 2 kage like ppl to defeat him.

Itachi - we all know him. SMART. he died becasue he wanted 2

Oro - This man was on some shit. no doubt was an amazing villian but damn he was strong he did take on Jiraya and tsunade at once wit no arms.

Pein - WELL HE WAS LEADER. he was damn strong also. killed jiraya/kakashi/shizune. defeat tsunade and lets not forget HANZO. enough said he still lost to naruto but i mean come on main character.

Zetsu - Hmmm. has something up his sleeves i mean he letched onto all te kages in the meeting witout them knowing.

Konan - She......was ok we didnt see much from her also she had a big hand on helping pein handle all his bodies or whatever.

i dunt know if im forgetting anyone except tobi.

but funny part was in almost all the teams there was someone alike:

Sasori/Diedara - diedara was more of the having fun laying bck type. sasori more srs type

Kakuzu/Hidan - hidan more of messing around. kakuzu srs

Itachi/Kisame - Kisame more cocky and itachi srs

pein/konan - both were srs

Hidan was there because he was still pretty good he is immortal and thus paired with Kakuzu they were unbeatable, they separated thus they lost.

Kisame may rely on his sword but it didn't betray him until a specific point, the Samesada loves large chakra, Kisame is strong because he has the chakra capacity that of a bijuu.

Konan was most likely the weakest of all the Akatsuki however paired up with the "strongest" it doesn't matter. :]