[Discussion] For the posters who understimate how strong Akatsuki really was..

[John Constantine]

Doesn't suggest They would lose against Jiraiya at all.

Jiraiyas powerful, but come on, danzo has stated Itachis Genjutsu is on a whole new level, manipulating time, and sure Jiraiya can seal amaterasu with pen and paper, but when itachis firing out a field worth of the stuff which we have seen him do then J man will be under pressure.

Plus sword of totsuka is unavoidable, has lots of reach and has no counter, plus Jiraiya cant hit Itachi who has yatas mirror.

These chapters are old, and the akatsuki have grown a lot since then.

Jiraiyas very strong, but many members of akatsuki can beat him

Itachi
Kisame
Pain
Tobi
..Kakuzu? (he was ganged up on and even with FRS kakashi had to kill the 5th heart, FRS only killed 2 hearts.)

Sasori maybe, I still personally think sasori was cheapened vastly.

He was against an enemy that knew his techs and movements, plus he had a change of heart at the end, chiyo said he purposefully didnt dodge when he was fully capable...

He had regrets and wasnt fighting to full
sasori is actually extremely strong

Was just pointing the chapters..
Itachi would definetely beat Jiraiya.. He just didn't wanted too because we all know why..
Itachi beated Orochimaru that easily,he would do the same with Jiraiya..
I was refering more towards Kisame.. I can't predict if the best of the Mist could survive Jiraiya or not..
Actually my next analisys will be of Kisame (one of my favourites)..

 

[The Pervy Sage]

@Jiraya:

i don't want to hurt somebody, but pain really slaughtered jiraya.
but i dont think that kakazu could beat a sm-jiraya, he wouldnt be fast enough. on the other hand, without sage-mode it looks possible.

Well jiraiya had sage mode so i believe he would win, and pain caught jiraiya off guard and blew his arm off if you remember? He would of done better in the end if he wasnt caught off guard but granted he would of lost either way =/
He was a legendary sannin, that stands for something in its own

 

[John Constantine]

thats why i wrote that kakashi can beat most of them
actually kakazu would get 6.5/10 for the first part of the fight, but after naruto appears he just becomes stupid as hell.
"i have three lives with different elemental attacks, but i cant assume to be hit with that, that's why i pull all of them to one point and stop spamming distance attacks" ouch!
thats why he gets 5.5/10

hidan gets 5/10 in the fight against asuma and 2/10 against shikamaru for being so dumb to block a physical attack of shikamaru instead of trying to hurt him. therefore he gets 3/10 at all.

sasori is beat by chiyo and sakura, is there a need for adding something? of course they counter him, but a fast fighter would pwn his body before he even gets to summon some replacement. 3/10

samhada gets 7.5/10, kisame 4/10 for being to stupid to control his own sword, so he'll end up at 6/10.

pain gets 9/10 for being the biggest jinx to ever live, first being crippled and kills everybody except the one he wants to kill, and second for using his destructive ultra-tech which blocks his abilities for the next 10 minutes to destroy a whole city and having his hardest enemy appear all prepared exactly in the moment his attack ends.

Sorry but i don't agree with nothing you wrote..You should read this whole thread again..

 

[The Pervy Sage]

Sorry but i don't agree with nothing you wrote..You should read this whole thread again..

Still on hidan or next character now?

 

[John Constantine]

Still on hidan or next character now?

I don't agree with the ratings poster gave to them.. C'mon 5 to Kakuzu & 3 to Sasori??
Hidan was also the weakest but 3??

Anyway so far from me:

-Deidara 7.5/10
-Hidan 6/10

Next Kisame..

 

[Revan]

I don't agree with the ratings poster gave to them.. C'mon 5 to Kakuzu & 3 to Sasori??
Hidan was also the weakest but 3??

Anyway so far from me:

-Deidara 7.5/10
-Hidan 6/10

Next Kisame..

why? what is 1 for you? for me 1 is anbu (or the teacher of the genins, ...) and the sot6p (as the strongest possible being) is 10, kakazu is about in the middle of kage and anbu, superior to anbu and far below kage, at least against naruto. he has some cool techs and the brain to use it, but against some enemies he tends to be stupid as hell. and he has no ultimate-now-you-are-dead-tech (amaterasu/kirin/raiton-armor/susano'o/chibaku tensei).
hidan has such a tech, but not the brain to use it. being hit by a close combat-weapon is most of the time deadly, and letting your enemy perform his jutsu after hitting you is often too. therefore hidan gets 3/10, beating anything that not instantly pwns him by cutting him in little peaces and is stupid enough to not interrupt him while using jutsus.

sasori couldnt do anything really good. yes he bet kazekage, but did we ever saw the kazekage fight? he could poison the enemy, but even sakura could evade most of his attacks, and somebody like the high-level-nins would destroy him before he's able to react.

 

[Shunsui]

hehh id say Akatsuki got pwned by Kishi, theres no way the would lose like that

 

[The Pervy Sage]

I don't agree with the ratings poster gave to them.. C'mon 5 to Kakuzu & 3 to Sasori??
Hidan was also the weakest but 3??

Anyway so far from me:

-Deidara 7.5/10
-Hidan 6/10

Next Kisame..

-Deidara 9/10
-Hidan 7/10
-kisame 9/10

Right kisame, the jinchuuriki without a tail, his death sucked for such a great fighter, he and his sword were an awsome combernation though his sword was his majour strength he knows some powerful water techniques and he has a massive chakra supply otherwise the sword would have left him long ago. Over all i gave him 9 out of 10 because we didnt see him do many jutsu and he relied on his sword a bit too much

 

[The Pervy Sage]

why? what is 1 for you? for me 1 is anbu (or the teacher of the genins, ...) and the sot6p is 10, kakazu is about in the middle of kage and anbu, superior to anbu and far below kage, at least against naruto.

For me 9 is a great kage/top class ninja

 

[John Constantine]

Kisame Hoshigaki is one of the 7 Legendary Swordsmen of the Mist and said to be the strongest of them all..

This guy murdered several ninjas and was worldwide known for his crimes..
He was known by using water and earth elements on battle and to wield the best of all swords Samehada..

He was the best ninja using water element and he had an insane amount of chakra making him a type of Bijuu without Tails..

He was very well skilled in Ninjutsu and Taijutsu and his Samehada could rip chakra's opponents apart and turn it into stamina to recover or add in Kisame's stamina. Making it the perfect weapon.. Unfortunely Samehada also seems to think on her own and can chose her partner..

Kisame is also a smart shinobi and a funny and cool character. Very powerful,he fought Gai and his squad with only 30% of himself and made Gai open 6 Gates to beat him.
He fought,defeated and captured the 4 Tailed Beast & in my opinion defeated Hachibi as well,if it wasn't for Samehada's betrayal..

Kisame receives an 8.5/10

 

[John Constantine]

hehh id say Akatsuki got pwned by Kishi, theres no way the would lose like that

Certainly agree.. Kishi killed the best thing going on in the manga to focus on Sasuke.. While i do like Sasuke (my second favourite)..It was a bad decision IMO..

 

[Revan]

For me 9 is a great kage/top class ninja

for me, a great kage is sth. like raikage, not like the gaara who fought against deideira. and reikage would have beat deideira pretty easily, which is why deideira gets 7.5/10, because he's to slow and doesnt have a good defence-tech to compensate that.

Kisame Hoshigaki is one of the 7 Legendary Swordsmen of the Mist and said to be the strongest of them all..

This guy murdered several ninjas and was worldwide known for his crimes..
He was known by using water and earth elements on battle and to wield the best of all swords Samehada..

He was the best ninja using water element and he had an insane amount of chakra making him a type of Bijuu without Tails..

He was very well skilled in Ninjutsu and Taijutsu and his Samehada could rip chakra's opponents apart and turn it into stamina to recover or add in Kisame's stamina. Making it the perfect weapon.. Unfortunely Samehada also seems to think on her own and can chose her partner..

Kisame is also a smart shinobi and a funny and cool character. Very powerful,he fought Gai and his squad with only 30% of himself and made Gai open 6 Gates to beat him.
He fought,defeated and captured the 4 Tailed Beast & in my opinion defeated Hachibi as well,if it wasn't for Samehada's betrayal..

Kisame receives an 8.5/10

maybe i undervalued kisame, but his end was just disappointing and conveyed the impression that he wasnt able to do anything without samehada. so from me he gets 8/10.

 

[The Pervy Sage]

for me, a great kage is sth. like raikage, not like the gaara who fought against deideira. and reikage would have beat deideira pretty easily, which is why deideira gets 7.5/10, because he's to slow and doesnt have a good defence-tech to compensate that.

To be honest i believe gaara could of won but remember he used most of his chakra trying to protect the village, in an open battle i think he would of won

 

[John Constantine]

for me, a great kage is sth. like raikage, not like the gaara who fought against deideira. and reikage would have beat deideira pretty easily, which is why deideira gets 7.5/10, because he's to slow and doesnt have a good defence-tech to compensate that.

To be honest i believe gaara could of won but remember he used most of his chakra trying to protect the village, in an open battle i think he would of won

I re-read that fight recently.. Gaara couldn't have won. He was simply out-smarted when he used his Sand Coffin..By the time he saved the village,he was pretty beated already..
Deidara didn't even cared to take many clay with him to defeat Gaara..And Gaara is pretty strong.

Anyway,next in list is Sasori of The Red Sands..

so far:

- Kisame - 8.5/10
- Deidara - 7.5/10
- Hidan - 6/10

 

[John Constantine]

Sasori of The Red Sand was the most powerful Master-Puppet in the Ninja World and killed almost 300 ninjas & had 298 Human-Puppets..
He was an experienced ninja with great Taijutsu,Ninjutsu and Genjutsu (Ex: Isura manipulation)..
He was a very cold person and a very intelligent ninja. Who was said to alone have destroyed an entire country.
At only 15 years old he was capable of defeating and kill the Third Kazekage (Said to be the best Ninja the Sand ever had) and made a powerful Human-Puppet out of him.
He and Orochimaru (his former partner) were said to have done incredible things together.
We didn't got to see much out of him but from his fight,we got to see how dangerous and powerfull he was. Even Deidara goes on record to say that "Master Sasori is stronger then me..".
Wouldn't for his Grandma Old Chiyo knew everything about Sasori and his secrets and Sakura's antidote. Plus,Sasori's will to die at the end and we would have seen more of him..

I'll rank him an 8.2/10..

Next i'll rank Konan (Just for the sake of it)..

 

[Michael92]

I can see that you got so moved that you had to make a thread
Well to my exuce, i couldn`t have said it in a better way:

@topic:
most of them truely were weaklings. sasuke and naruto would beat any of them with ease, except madara, pain and itachi (whose true strength is still unknown) and maybe zetsu, and kakashi beats most of them. of course they are all pretty strong in comparision with normal nins, but none of them is somewhere near kage-level, except these three.
sorry but kisame was a pure disappointment, he lost his sword and was killed within seconds. it was his sword which beat kb, not him.

 

[John Constantine]

I can see that you got so moved that you had to make a thread
Well to my exuce, i couldn`t have said it in a better way:

LOL you quote the worst post in the whole thread..
C'mon you can do better..
I made the thread because i had support to do it in the other thread from other posters and because too many posters underestimate how great of ninjas Akatsuki really are..

 

[Michael92]

You can all discuss each members and respective opinions on each member..
I started with Deidara and will continu with Hidan now..

Well Hidan was as dumb as one can gets to start off but he was also immortal..
He had good skills in ninjutsu and taijutsu and was farely quick but that could only help so much 'till he hits his opponent and gets to taste a little of his blood to complete his Demon ritual of his..

In my opinion he's nothing without Kakuzu. Example being when his head was cut off. What could he do without Kakuzu's abilities of reattaching things??

If one doesn't know his tactics,he can be very dangerous. Case being Asuma Senju who was killed by his sadistic ritual. But if one is smart enough and observes him a little,will get his secrets and a way to defeat him.

He did defeated and captured the 2-Tailed Bijuu and a strong Senju like Asuma. So i'll give it merit for that..

He gets a 6 out of 10..

First a 7/10 for Deidara, and now a 6/10 for Hidan?

You`re actually proving my point exactly as i meant in the prediction thread now

They where good ninjas, no doubt about that.

But they were no where near as good as they should have been if they had to face off with either Naruto, Sasuke, Killerbee, Raikage, and Probobly Kakashi and Gaara(we don`t know how much he has improved since his fight against Deidara, and beside. If Gaara had fought Deidara fairly without protecting the village, he would have wooped Deidara`s ass. I give Deidara cred for his smart thinking though) at their current levels.

Therefore if the scenario i mentioned that you have included in your first post, Where All the Kages and their villages jounins and Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi, Killerbee, Gai, Neji, Shino, and so on fights Madara, Zetsu, and Danzo.

Then there`s no doubt that Akatsuki needs reforcements, with at least 5 new members who are all 10 out of 10 on your scale

 

[John Constantine]

Off course you use Hidan to contradict my thread because he was the weakest link,hell use Konan as well LOL..
One doesn't make an whole organization..

Deidara beated Gaara fair and square (re-read the manga).. He probably can beat all of Konoha with the Exception of Naruto & Kakashi.. (not counting Sasuke here)

Hidan actually beated one of Konoha's best..

Kakuzu beated Kakashi..

Itachi can go god mode...

Kisame could own all the Kages (with the exception of Danzo) if it wasn't for the betrayal of the gay ass sword..

Pein,let's not even talk about it...

I could go on and on..

I have intentions to rank them all in this thread..

 

[John Constantine]

Then there`s no doubt that Akatsuki needs reforcements, with at least 5 new members who are all 10 out of 10 on your scale

There's no 10 in my scale.. Not even Pein or Itachi.. I try to be fair in the rankings..