[Predictions] Naruto Manga 478 Discussion and 479 Predictions

[zabuzamistboy]

Wow! I can't believe that Danzo is going to
use izanagi and not itachi, I had such high
hopes itachi was going to be alive.

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[yoshimitsu]

Good points man, well the last bits about imortality, i dont think theres a bond because if there was sasuke wouldnt care about hurting naruto because hes shrouded in darkness, he would probs just say naruto is weak because of it

I want see naruto do something useful if you get me

well he might not. remember the naruto vs sasuke battle at the waterfall place, where madara fought hashirama, well i remember sasuke tells naruto he views him as his equal. and after everything they've gone through, I don't think either has the balls to call one another weak anymore.

also, sasuke would benefit from it as well because susanoo probably causes pain to the user to begin with, like when itachi coughed up blood vs sasuke, or when sasuke spewed blood vs babe-kage, dont know her name (one with acid spit).

and if it came down to it, naruto would probably still beat sasuke when it comes to wits and actual combat. whether he's got the resolve to do so, one might speculate. but do remember, naruto's got the fox, skills, intelligence (he's no longer stupid, we all agree), sage mode, and remember that scene where he meets nagato and nagato dishonorably stabs him? that scene, we see kyuubi + sage chakra at the same time [his eyes have the toad (-) mark, and the kyuubi (l), so it looks like (+) eyes.]

 

[John Constantine]

Hi guys..How you all doing?? I was able to get online here in hospital throught a friend's Laptop.. (but i explain that better and my condition in my "Goodbye Thread")

First of all thanks so much to all my supporters specially Kuroi Honoo and Juuken. You guys are the best.

About the chapter.. Was a really good chapter with a really huge twist. Danzoo is super interesting and just like i suspected he was in works with Orochimaru for a very long time.. (No wonder Orochimaru was always informed about Konoha even beinf far away from the village)..

Let me start to say that i was a little bit disappointed that Itachi (my favourite) was a barely genjutsu but unlike Twistedlink said. It did work to some extend as it was a Tsukuyomi/Amaterasu trap which could have closed another eye (life),as it burned Danzo all the way..

About the comparision between Sasuke and Itachi's eyes..
I have to agree with TwistedLink as Sasuke's eyes quite not caught up with Itachi's abilities..
Itachi was a genjutsu monster,a cold,emotionless warrior who could trap you on genjutsu with only a finger..
Itachi's Tsukuyomi was so powerful that legends like Madara and Danzo even feared him and respected him..

However,Sasuke seems to have a better control of Amaterasu and he's even able to use Kagutsuchi (Manipulation of Amaterasu) & a Shield of Amaterasu combined with Susano'o ribs..

As for Susano'o,now that we've seen both versions completed. I have to say while Sasuke's not bad (very good) ,it's not on Itachi's level.
Itachi's Susano'o had the perfect defense (Yatas Mirror) and the perfect offense (Totsuka Sword that seals everything it touchs for eternity)..
Sasuke's version whatever is a super strong defense but not perfect as can be fierced by monstrous brutal force like as of E The Raikage and while it's offense seems excellent. It can be dodged easier then as of Itachi's version..

Sasuke's Susano'o seems interesting and remains to be seen if that Arrow thrower is also a sacred item.. It's also a completely version of Itachi's. Just goes to show that Sasuke awakened his Susano'o on his own (as many haters like to contradict)..

Madara seems to very respectful of Danzou's abilities and Karin managed to discover that his implanted Sharingans are somewhat related to his lifes and chakras..
Seems like everytime he summons those hand-seals,his real spirit disappears from his body and if he gets "killed". One Sharingan will shut as sacrifice and his "Spirit" is back to his body 'till the next fatal hit..
Only Karin seems to know when Danzou is on his real body or not.
He has 10 Sharingans and has been killed 5 or 6 times already,let's all see what he has to offer more.

It's also quite interesting that he could be the one behind the "Kyuubi Incident" (as Madara denies it was he himself).. It's not impossible for him to have transplanted one or some sharingans before the "incident" and managed to control the Kyuubi since he also possesses the First Hokage's DNA (known for being able to control the tailed beasts)..

The problem i get with this theory is that the Kyuubi himself said he knew Madara and Madara himself used the Kyuubi before. Against Hashirama Senju..
There's more evidence about Madara being involved in the "incident" that the later (Danzou)..

Danzou also seems to be pretty interested in get Naruto..But why??
He obviously has a much more easier contact to him as they live in the same village and could have got his hands to Naruto anytime if he wanted too by this time..


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[Rukia Hime]

Wow! I can't believe that Danzo is going to
use izanagi and not itachi, I had such high
hopes itachi was going to be alive.

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Don't give it up that easily.. The soul transfer still might be correct.

 

[Pervyy]

well he might not. remember the naruto vs sasuke battle at the waterfall place, where madara fought hashirama, well i remember sasuke tells naruto he views him as his equal. and after everything they've gone through, I don't think either has the balls to call one another weak anymore.

also, sasuke would benefit from it as well because susanoo probably causes pain to the user to begin with, like when itachi coughed up blood vs sasuke, or when sasuke spewed blood vs babe-kage, dont know her name (one with acid spit).

and if it came down to it, naruto would probably still beat sasuke when it comes to wits and actual combat. whether he's got the resolve to do so, one might speculate. but do remember, naruto's got the fox, skills, intelligence (he's no longer stupid, we all agree), sage mode, and remember that scene where he meets nagato and nagato dishonorably stabs him? that scene, we see kyuubi + sage chakra at the same time [his eyes have the toad (-) mark, and the kyuubi (l), so it looks like (+) eyes.]

Naruto would beat sasuke if it was a fight to the death, just for the simple fact that i believe in him, he has the power to change the world

All ms abilities seem to cause pain to the users with blood coming from there eyes or coughing up blood, and to obtain them you have to suffer by killing someone close to you like your best friend or brother...

 

[yoshimitsu]

Hi guys..How you all doing?? I was able to get online here in hospital throught a friend's Laptop.. (but i explain that better and my condition in my "Goodbye Thread")

First of all thanks so much to all my supporters specially Kuroi Honoo and Juuken. You guys are the best.

About the chapter..
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Danzou also seems to be pretty interested in get Naruto..But why??
He obviously has a much more easier contact to him as they live in the same village and could have got his hands to Naruto anytime if he wanted too by this time..

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one thing, we dont know how many eyes danzou has, we only know madara sees 10 on him arm. hes got 1 under headband, and maybe on body.

it's true kyuubi said he remembers a sinister chakra like madara when sasuke entered naruto's mind, but the kyuubi was most likely referring to when madara attacked the village the first time, the time he failed. at that point, madara was probably filled with hatred and so thats why the kyuubi remembered such a chakra.

however, he did not confirm it was also madara during the second attack, in fact didn't mention it at all. it could well have been danzou. either out of some demented moral sense of protectionism or lust for power, danzou gave the order or pressured for the extermination of the uchiha, after which he'd have plenty of spare "lives", assuming his eyes do act as lives.



edit : and danzou probably had no reason to immediately seize naruto. we only find out about his intentions of capturing the kyuubi from the most recent chapter, 478. also, he only found out about madara's purpose of capturing the bijuus after their encounter at the summit. whether that purpose is truly his real intentions, none can say at this point. but if it is, then this mugen tsukiyomi is a 5th ability of the MS? i still say it's called izanami

 

[Shunsui]

Not just you, sis, not just you.

I really hoped that something epic will happen with the Itachi case, yet it was nothing but as stupid Genjutsu. But I doubt that was it for him yet.

very dissapointing chapter.....


/one piece become much better anime/manga

 

[Rukia Hime]

very dissapointing chapter.....


/one piece become much better anime/manga

One Piece is so much better..

I feel with everyone who says that this was a huge troll.

 

[Pervyy]

I think it was danzo who made the kyuubi attack the village and blamed the uchiha to put his plan in motion

But what i dont get is if orochimaru helped danzo get all those sharingan and that, why didnt he take the sharingan for himself as he wanted it so much?

 

[yoshimitsu]

One Piece is so much better..

I feel with everyone who says that this was a huge troll.

everyone is missing the point...

this series has been ongoing since 1999, thats 11 years now. you are complaining about a single event over the span of an undetermined amount.

also, this is a single incident of an ENTIRE STORYLINE. if kishimoto is as good a writer as he prides himself, he will unveil a reason as to why itachi randomly appeared. you have to look at it from a broader perspective.

and yes, an anime artist ought to do what the fans like, otherwise he'd get canceled. but he's been doing this for a long time now. he can allow himself to do as he sees his story fit, regardless of what the reader, us, say. because in the end, even if its bad or not, we will read it as we've been doing for a long time too.

 

[Rishawn]

dis chapter was pretty gud but i was lukin for great afta all dis waitin but w/e man maybe next week will be diff as for predictions i have none but im sure i will take sum1 else's lata

 

[Rukia Hime]

everyone is missing the point...

this series has been ongoing since 1999, thats 11 years now. you are complaining about a single event over the span of an undetermined amount.

also, this is a single incident of an ENTIRE STORYLINE. if kishimoto is as good a writer and he prides himself, he will unveil a reason as to why itachi randomly appeared. you have to look at it from a broader perspective.

and yes, an anime artist ought to do what the fans like, otherwise he'd get canceled. but he's been doing this for a long time now. he can allow himself to do as he sees his story fit, regardless of what the reader, us, say. because in the end, even if its bad or not, we will read it as we've been doing for a long time too.

Being the result of a lame Genujutsu, I know..

But still.. It's not like the fans were demanding Itachi to come back (at least not the Japanese ones), Kishi did it because he wanted to. I expected it to be something interesting, yet it was only a Genjutsu..

Three weeks of wait just to reveal that it's Genjutsu. I think this gets a bit ridiculous as well as Sasuke's power-ups.

 

[John Constantine]

But if all this happend, that Danzo, Madara, Zetsu and the evil part of root, takes over the village. And Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi, Tenzo, Killerbee and the other part of Konoha and the Kages and their villages` Jounins fights back.

Then I really think that Akatsuki will have to get at least 5 new members whice are at least twice as strong as the previous ones after Konoha have been won back.
Why? Well all the rest got too quickly killed ofxd

Because the bad guys would have almost nothing to stand up with against all the good guys.

I mean. Both Naruto, Sasuke, Gaara, Killerbee, and probobly some other of the good guys could have wipped any of the former member`s ass except for Pain/Pein and Itachi(not counting Konan).

No offence to the Sasori, Deidara, Hidan, Kakuzu, Orochimaru, and probobly Kisame fans

They were all strong, but not strong enough. Only Deidara lasted more than one battle(not counting the 30% chacra Kisame), and in my point of view, thats far from good enought if they were as strong as peoples and the Manga believes/says

I disagree strongely you obviously don't imagine how powerful those Akatsuky guys were..

Let's start with Sasori of The Red Sands.. This men was a experienced warrior about 40 years old. Cold,intelligent and the men who kidknapped and killed the most powerful warrior of the Sand Village at only 15 years old. That men was the Third Kazekage.
He was also said to have alone destroyed an entire country..
He only lost because Old Chiyo knew all his secrets and Sakura had the antidote..
This guy is easily stronger then most of the characters and probably even stronger then Kakashi..

Deidara,a 19 years old prodigy.. Easily defeated Gaara (who is very strong) and took Sasuke (who is mega-strong) to his limit.. Only guys with Sharingan or eye techniques could beat him in my opinion..

Hidan..I'll give you that one. Guy is not weak and managed to kill Asuma (strong guy) but was stupid as whole hell and a guy with an half a brain and decent strenght could easily defeat him..

Kakuzu was 90+ years old. Experienced,intelligent,fought the Hashirama and survived and beat many strong ninjas ans stole them hearts. Making them his own.
Easily manhandled Kakashi (one of the strongest) and if it wasn't for Naruto's super jutsu Futton RasenShuriken,he would have not been defeated..
Kakuzu was easily one of the strongest guys in the Naruto series.

Kisame was almost invencible. I dare to say only Genjutsu users could beat him and perhaps Jiraiya (as Kisame himself admitted he would be no match for Jiraiya)..
Kisame had the chacra of a bijuu and the best weapon in the Ninja world (IMO).. A weapon that can take chacra from his opponents and give it to Kisame.. How much can you ask for it??
Kisame easily defeated Kirabi,if it wasn't for Samehada's betrayal..
And he is not dead yet,guys. Bet on it..

Orochimaru is understimated around here to the fullest.. This man was probably stronger then most of the Akatsuki and was only easily defeated by Itachi because the later has god-like strenght and abilitie.
Oro was a genius and a legendary Sannin said to be equally strong as Jiraiya himself (one of the strongest of the Manga).. Possessed many abilities,forbidden jutsus,legendary objects and was super smart & the perfect villain in my opinion..
He fought the Kyuubi with ease in an already neglecting body and killed the said to be the strongest of the 5 Hokages, The Third Hokage easily. He also killed the Fourth Kazekage (Gaara's father) and draw 2 times with Jiraiya.
This was one of the most feared,respected ninjas in the Ninja world and was only defeated by Sasuke because he was barely moving at his current body and was target of a sneak attack.

Konan was the weakest link in my opinion.. Was easily defeated by Jiraiya with only one move and was in the Organization only because of Pein..

Zetsu. We don't know the extend of his power but he has many useful abilities and Madara himself treat him as an equal. So i assume he is super strong as well..

With all this said..You theory about Akatsuki members kind of fail.. Those were all guys of S-Ninja Rank and were only defeated by Special bloodline (AKA Sharingan,Deidara & Orochimaru) or betrayal (Kisame) or knowing their secrets before hand (Pein & Sasori) or stupidity (Hidan) or disease and intentional intent of dying (Itachi)..

 

[Pervyy]

I disagree strongely you obviously don't imagine how powerful those Akatsuky guys were..

Let's start with Sasori of The Red Sands.. This men was a experienced warrior about 40 years old. Cold,intelligent and the men who kidknapped and killed the most powerful warrior of the Sand Village at only 15 years old. That men was the Third Kazekage.
He was also said to have alone destroyed an entire country..
He only lost because Old Chiyo knew all his secrets and Sakura had the antidote..
This guy is easily stronger then most of the characters and probably even stronger then Kakashi..

Deidara,a 19 years old prodigy.. Easily defeated Gaara (who is very strong) and took Sasuke (who is mega-strong) to his limit.. Only guys with Sharingan or eye techniques could beat him in my opinion..

Hidan..I'll give you that one. Guy is not weak and managed to kill Asuma (strong guy) but was stupid as whole hell and a guy with an half a brain and decent strenght could easily defeat him..

Kakuzu was 90+ years old. Experienced,intelligent,fought the Hashirama and survived and beat many strong ninjas ans stole them hearts. Making them his own.
Easily manhandled Kakashi (one of the strongest) and if it wasn't for Naruto's super jutsu Futton RasenShuriken,he would have not been defeated..
Kakuzu was easily one of the strongest guys in the Naruto series.

Kisame was almost invencible. I dare to say only Genjutsu users could beat him and perhaps Jiraiya (as Kisame himself admitted he would be no match for Jiraiya)..
Kisame had the chacra of a bijuu and the best weapon in the Ninja world (IMO).. A weapon that can take chacra from his opponents and give it to Kisame.. How much can you ask for it??
Kisame easily defeated Kirabi,if it wasn't for Samehada's betrayal..
And he is not dead yet,guys. Bet on it..

Orochimaru is understimated around here to the fullest.. This man was probably stronger then most of the Akatsuki and was only easily defeated by Itachi because the later has god-like strenght and abilitie.
Oro was a genius and a legendary Sannin said to be equally strong as Jiraiya himself (one of the strongest of the Manga).. Possessed many abilities,forbidden jutsus,legendary objects and was super smart & the perfect villain in my opinion..
He fought the Kyuubi with ease in an already neglecting body and killed the said to be the strongest of the 5 Hokages, The Third Hokage easily. He also killed the Fourth Kazekage (Gaara's father) and draw 2 times with Jiraiya.
This was one of the most feared,respected ninjas in the Ninja world and was only defeated by Sasuke because he was barely moving at his current body and was target of a sneak attack.

Konan was the weakest link in my opinion.. Was easily defeated by Jiraiya with only one move and was in the Organization only because of Pein..

Zetsu. We don't know the extend of his power but he has many useful abilities and Madara himself treat him as an equal. So i assume he is super strong as well..

With all this said..You theory about Akatsuki members kind of fail.. Those were all guys of S-Ninja Rank and were only defeated by Special bloodline (AKA Sharingan,Deidara & Orochimaru) or betrayal (Kisame) or knowing their secrets before hand (Pein & Sasori) or stupidity (Hidan) or disease and intentional intent of dying (Itachi)..

Dude i love you, you talk sense

 

[John Constantine]

I also want to add that i'm kinda wondering how can Danzou execute such technique as Izanagi..

Let's suppose Izanagi is an even stronger technique then the big four: Tsukuyomi,the never ending holly black flames of Amaterasu,the abilitie of Kagutsuchi & the sacred god of Susano'o..

I have to assume that Danzou possesses the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan (also makes it possible to control the Kyuubi and reinforces that theory as well)..Or at least the Mangekyo Sharingan..

But how and why??

People should not be complaning about this chapter,this was a fantastic chapter who raised many questions and theories..

People actually should be gratefull to Kishimoto..

So what if Itachi was just a Tsukuyomi?? I'm a super-Itachi fan and i'm not bother. What Kishimoto displayed next was far better and interesting..

Itachi is dead,guys.. Get over it.. We Itachi fans should be happy our personal favourite character had the best arc and meaninful,epic death in whole series so far.. (Jiraiya's was pretty meaninfull and epic as well,though)

 

[Pervyy]

I also want to add that i'm kinda wondering how can Danzou execute such technique as Izanagi..

Let's suppose Izanagi is an even stronger technique then the big four: Tsukuyomi,the never ending holly black flames of Amaterasu,the abilitie of Kagutsuchi & the sacred god of Susano'o..

I have to assume that Danzou possesses the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan (also makes it possible to control the Kyuubi and reinforces that theory as well)..Or at least the Mangekyo Sharingan..

But how and why??

People should not be complaning about this chapter,this was a fantastic chapter who raised many questions and theories..

People actually should be gratefull to Kishimoto..

So what if Itachi was just a Tsukuyomi?? I'm a super-Itachi fan and i'm not bother. What Kishimoto displayed next was far better and interesting..

Itachi is dead,guys.. Get over it.. We Itachi fans should be happy our personal favourite character had the best arc and meaninful,epic death in whole series so far.. (Jiraiya's was pretty meaninfull and epic as well,though)

Once again you speaking the truth and sense, awsome chapter, and i dont get how danzo could have ms?

Also i dont why this cme to me, If danzo can use izanagi then he must have at least ms, and this kinda proves you dont have to kill your best friend to get MS because danzo isnt the kind of person to have friend, this along with kakashi having MS who wouldnt kill his best friend because i quote

"Those in the ninja world who break the rules are scum, that's true....but those who abandon their friends.. are lower than scum."

Sorry about the off topic

 

[yoshimitsu]

I disagree strongely you obviously don't imagine how powerful those Akatsuky guys were..

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With all this said..You theory about Akatsuki members kind of fail.. Those were all guys of S-Ninja Rank and were only defeated by Special bloodline (AKA Sharingan,Deidara & Orochimaru) or betrayal (Kisame) or knowing their secrets before hand (Pein & Sasori) or stupidity (Hidan) or disease and intentional intent of dying (Itachi)..

I agree with most, but you forget that each of them have specific affinities, in turn gives them specific weaknesses.

Kisame knows he's no match for Jiraiya because toads love water. Sharks aren't known for eating frogs and stuff in the real world, so it wouldn't make much sense for Kisame to possess a natural advantage over Jiraiya. also, we know jiraiya is very averse in water techs.

another example is sasuke vs deidara. it's not that sasuke is super strong, in fact he's rather weak compared to the others. it's because sasuke is super smart and that he has a kekkai genkai for lightning that he was able to manhandle deidara with ease. anyone would agree sasuke ripped deidara with absolute confidence. he knew he was smarter and he had the advantage.

kakuzu, unfortunately, was slain because he was being lazy and hadn't collected hearts in awhile. he admitted so. he could have stacked 100+ masks, and the rasenshuriken would have destroyed maybe 70% of them, leaving kakuzu alive and knowing wtf naruto can do. had he survived the first rasen shuriken, for sure kakuzu would have been the victor in a 1v1 battle. then again, he could easily take care of everyone else there.

hidan had it coming, sorry. he was an idiotic sadomasochist. he's probably not dead anyway, its just that noone will ever find him again. hidan can't die.

orochimaru was sick, yes. sasuke easily slayed him.

im sure zetsu is a badass. as you say, madara does indeed treat him as an equal. zetsu is aware of all his plans, and is very, very strong. at the summit, he said "im surprised nobody noticed my seeds" or something. which means he does this with ease and was surprised at how careless the kages really are. and on the battlefield, he doesnt even bother fighting; he merely sucks their chakra and gives some to sasuke. zetsu is one tough cookie.

konan is weak.


edit : my point is that they are not THE strongest, only very strong. I wouldn't even consider them as one of the strongest, just strong shinobi. Itachi was definitely one of the strongest. madara and danzou feared him, enough said.

 

[John Constantine]

Once again you speaking the truth and sense, awsome chapter, and i dont get how danzo could have ms?

Also i dont why this cme to me, If danzo can use izanagi then he must have at least ms, and this kinda proves you dont have to kill your best friend to get MS because danzo isnt the kind of person to have friend, this along with kakashi having MS who wouldnt kill his best friend because i quote

"Those in the ninja world who break the rules are scum, that's true....but those who abandon their friends.. are lower than scum."

Sorry about the off topic

Thanks my friend ..

I have no idea myself.. Danzou has said to be the most emotionless men of all.. Or either he transplanted a Sharingan from an already Mangekyo user or something emotional on his past..

He seems to hate emotions because those lead to hate and war so i'm wondering he was a guy with emotions at some point on his life since he's 72..​

 

[Pervyy]

Thanks my friend ..

I have no idea myself.. Danzou has said to be the most emotionless men of all.. Or either he transplanted a Sharingan from an already Mangekyo user or something emotional on his past..

He seems to hate emotions because those lead to hate and war so i'm wondering he was a guy with emotions at some point on his life since he's 72..​

The whole of root is based on no emtions if im correct and he took shisui's eye and emplanted into his right eye, but how did shisui obtain MS in the first place? And if he didnt then did Danzo unlock it himself? And when kakashi was in root maybe madara showed Kakashi how to obtain MS but kakashi cant say anything because of a seal on his tounge like sai?

Just speculating here

 

[John Constantine]

I agree with most, but you forget that each of them have specific affinities, in turn gives them specific weaknesses.

Kisame knows he's no match for Jiraiya because toads love water. Sharks aren't known for eating frogs and stuff in the real world, so it wouldn't make much sense for Kisame to possess a natural advantage over Jiraiya. also, we know jiraiya is very averse in water techs.

another example is sasuke vs deidara. it's not that sasuke is super strong, in fact he's rather weak compared to the others. it's because sasuke is super smart and that he has a kekkai genkai for lightning that he was able to manhandle deidara with ease. anyone would agree sasuke ripped deidara with absolute confidence. he knew he was smarter and he had the advantage.

kakuzu, unfortunately, was slain because he was being lazy and hadn't collected hearts in awhile. he admitted so. he could have stacked 100+ masks, and the rasenshuriken would have destroyed maybe 70% of them, leaving kakuzu alive and knowing wtf naruto can do. had he survived the first rasen shuriken, for sure kakuzu would have been the victor in a 1v1 battle. then again, he could easily take care of everyone else there.

hidan had it coming, sorry. he was an idiotic sadomasochist. he's probably not dead anyway, its just that noone will ever find him again. hidan can't die.

orochimaru was sick, yes. sasuke easily slayed him.

im sure zetsu is a badass. as you say, madara does indeed treat him as an equal. zetsu is aware of all his plans, and is very, very strong. at the summit, he said "im surprised nobody noticed my seeds" or something. which means he does this with ease and was surprised at how careless the kages really are. and on the battlefield, he doesnt even bother fighting; he merely sucks their chakra and gives some to sasuke. zetsu is one tough cookie.

konan is weak.


edit : my point is that they are not THE strongest, only very strong. I wouldn't even consider them as one of the strongest, just strong shinobi. Itachi was definitely one of the strongest. madara and danzou feared him, enough said.

I agree with most of what you said and in some way your post completes mine and i think i'm gonna actually open a thread in this subject with both of our posts combined if you agree because most posters around here understimate how powerfull akatuski actually was..​