So apparently now Madara > Hagoromo

[PIOLO]

I don't think that Madara is the "strongest" per-say, but is more dangerous than Kaguya and Hagoromo. Agree to disagree than.

Hands up,,, your at your own stand and very efficient combatatant and deliver direct punch to your opponent, even though madara is not the most powerful char in series buthe proves byfeats far most efficient to utilies his power, the reason why kishikilled him that way will raised him much more dangerous because he alone himself the only character manages to gained rinnegan z(praising madara by BZ) hehimself get what he wants the key of moon plan is IT... if he already know it from the start, he can attain anything what he wanted just a proved that he wanted peace....Here is my small calculation for power efficiency:

3 eyes jj madara power output over power input(efficiency)= 100 output power then utilized the usage of that power by means of battle tactics /experience/ knowledge/intelligence/smartness that resulted an input power to 100.....


while,


So6p poweroutput =98delivers an input of 90 he still manage to preserve himself in future while the facts that he is dead but deliver that power to sas and nards


While ,

Kaguya power output of 120 output and has no brain without her will BZ of just say 95 input result....


Meaning GOD MADARA BEATS THIS TWO BY EFFICIENCY TO FULLY UTILIZED THEIR POWERS IN COMBAT,,, STILL I AGGRE THAT MADARA HAS UPPERHANDS AND DANGEROUS

 

[Torche]

Hands up,,, your at your own stand and very efficient combatatant and deliver direct punch to your opponent, even though madara is not the most powerful char in series buthe proves byfeats far most efficient to utilies his power, the reason why kishikilled him that way will raised him much more dangerous because he alone himself the only character manages to gained rinnegan z(praising madara by BZ) hehimself get what he wants the key of moon plan is IT... if he already know it from the start, he can attain anything what he wanted just a proved that he wanted peace....Here is my small calculation for power efficiency:

3 eyes jj madara power output over power input(efficiency)= 100 output power then utilized the usage of that power by means of battle tactics /experience/ knowledge/intelligence/smartness that resulted an input power to 100.....


while,


So6p poweroutput =98delivers an input of 90 he still manage to preserve himself in future while the facts that he is dead but deliver that power to sas and nards


While ,

Kaguya power output of 120 output and has no brain without her will BZ of just say 95 input result....


Meaning GOD MADARA BEATS THIS TWO BY EFFICIENCY TO FULLY UTILIZED THEIR POWERS IN COMBAT,,, STILL I AGGRE THAT MADARA HAS UPPERHANDS AND DANGEROUS

Yeah, I agree. The only reason that Kaguya was even brought in was to kill Madara. Without her, Sasuke and Naruto were going to be completely and utterly annihilated.

 

[PIOLO]

Yeah, I agree. The only reason that Kaguya was even brought in was to kill Madara. Without her, Sasuke and Naruto were going to be completely and utterly annihilated.

And bro, let me hear all out,, its not the first,,, he solo them already if that happens, it is noted twice,,,they been annihilated only plot intervined

 

[salamander uchiha]

Madara solos sage mid difficulty.
Kishi has already made it clear madara is the strongest shinobi in the nv.

 

[Torche]

And bro, let me hear all out,, its not the first,,, he solo them already if that happens, it is noted twice,,,they been annihilated only plot intervined

Annihilated again. It's because there was no "explainable" reason that they could be revived a second time. U_U The first time is already pushing the logic of this manga.

 

[ad0]

Madara >Hagoromo

why? did your know before black zetsu could give minato kyuubi half to Madara, Obito stopped it and remove some tiny power and the half to naruto inof madara and then madara had to face 8 gate guy

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1 eye jj madara was weakned before facing naruto and sauke new powers nobody bother's saying the truth. Madara had to rely more on getting his 2nd Rennigan he was worried about his eye.

Hagoromo said he was weakened after splitting the juubi into 9 pices

Imagine that both madara and hagoromo have all 9 tail beats without anything missing If so then Madara is stronger than hagoromo.

 

[PIOLO]

Annihilated again. It's because there was no "explainable" reason that they could be revived a second time. U_U The first time is already pushing the logic of this manga.

I agreed......

Bro are you one of kishi assistant, i mean you work for him...Hoping you make a part three series, Need madara to fully tell his story, who killed hashi, what really is madara story,,,kaguya, hamura...kin and jin vs tobira uzumaki annihilation...senju annihilation

 

[KidGamer65]

To this day I have seen nothing that backs the claim of Madara>Hagoromo besides the "3 eyes>2 eyes" BS. Lol.

 

[Torche]

I agreed......

Bro are you one of kishi assistant, i mean you work for him...Hoping you make a part three series, Need madara to fully tell his story, who killed hashi, what really is madara story,,,kaguya, hamura...kin and jin vs tobira uzumaki annihilation...senju annihilation

Bro, if I was; Hinata would already be dead. If Kaguya HAD to make an appearance -not that I'd have her make one- she wouldn't have been nerfed to the shit-house like Madara. Madara, Itachi, and Nagato wouldn't be dead.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Actually as Hagoromo fan I can say they are about the same power, skill etc.

JJ Hagoromo ~ JJ three-eyed Madara, although Madara could be supperior a bit depending if Tomoe Rinnegan offer more then just IT.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

To this day I have seen nothing that backs the claim of Madara>Hagoromo besides the "3 eyes>2 eyes" BS. Lol.

We'll that's what wrenches are for DA!

 

[Torche]

Actually as Hagoromo fan I can say they are about the same power, skill etc.

JJ Hagoromo ~ JJ three-eyed Madara, although Madara could be supperior a bit depending if Tomoe Rinnegan offer more then just IT.

I would imagine that it should be capable of similar Genjutsu to what Sasuke used.

 

[Benjamin King]

Sadly, the manga had debunked most of Hagoromo's god-like feats, which means he was never on the level he was hyped to be.

-The moon was created result of Yin-Yang Chibaku Tensei; statement and action witnessed by Black Zetsu and Kaguya. Not because of Hagoromo's so called power.

-He couldn't defeat the Juubi by himself, and needed his brother to do it. And lets not forget Hamura inherited an equal power to Hagoromo.

Madara, however was born a warrior from his birth. This automatically puts Madara's skill level above Hagoromo's, who was never a Shinobi to begin with. He developed more and more, and had already inherited a lot of power from half of Hagoromo's power. And by the time he awakened the Rinnegan, he gained all of Hagoromo's Chakra and its power.

Since both of them have an equal raw Chakra and power, it comes down to who uses the power better; and that will be Madara. As explained, Madara was a Shinobi; Hagoromo wasn't. And the former is far more intellectual than the latter in terms of warfare experience.

Madara surpassed Hagoromo and Kaguya; by feats and hype. Now this argument can be shut.​

 

[KCMNaruto]

Sadly, the manga had debunked most of Hagoromo's god-like feats, which means he was never on the level he was hyped to be.

-The moon was created result of Yin-Yang Chibaku Tensei; statement and action witnessed by Black Zetsu and Kaguya. Not because of Hagoromo's so called power.

-He couldn't defeat the Juubi by himself, and needed his brother to do it. And lets not forget Hamura inherited an equal power to Hagoromo.

Madara, however was born a warrior from his birth. This automatically puts Madara's skill level above Hagoromo's, who was never a Shinobi to begin with. He developed more and more, and had already inherited a lot of power from half of Hagoromo's power. And by the time he awakened the Rinnegan, he gained all of Hagoromo's Chakra and its power.

Since both of them have an equal raw Chakra and power, it comes down to who uses the power better; and that will be Madara. As explained, Madara was a Shinobi; Hagoromo wasn't. And the former is far more intellectual than the latter in terms of warfare experience.

Madara surpassed Hagoromo and Kaguya; by feats and hype. Now this argument can be shut.​

The one feat of Hagoromo surprassing all Madara's although:

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Obito: "It's time for the moon's dreams to bury...
...This gaping hole of hell!"

Flashback Obito: "Look at me!! There is nothing in my heart!!
I don't even feel pain!!

Reality is cruel...
This hole is only going to keep widening.

How will you fill that hole living in this world?!"

Kakashi: (...Obito...)

Obito: "This sword is the Sage of six paths' divine blade, the nunoboko.
You can no longer win against me."

[...]

Obito: "Your strong emotions dwell within this blade...
It's a sword of the soul.

The Sage created this world using this blade."

As JJ Hagoromo could recreate/reshape the whole World, something which Madara has never shown or be stated to be able

 

[Benjamin King]

The one feat of Hagoromo surprassing all Madara's although:

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As JJ Hagoromo could recreate/reshape the whole World, something which Madara has never shown or be stated to be able

EMS Sasuke broke it to pieces​

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[KCMNaruto]

EMS Sasuke broke it to pieces​

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Obito was indecisive although while wielding the sword. The moment he saw himself in Naruto and himself as Hokage was the moment he lost his resolve to keep fighting for moment allowing Naruto and Sasuke break Nunoboko Sword.

One statement makes your counter argument irrelevant, this statement: "This is sword of soul", the power of that sword to be fully utilised need strong spirit and wielder must be 100 % confident of his/her choice.

JJ Hagoromo reshaped the Whole world argument still wins

 

[Benjamin King]

Obito was indecisive although while wielding the sword. The moment he saw himself in Naruto and himself as Hokage was the moment he lost his resolve to keep fighting for moment allowing Naruto and Sasuke break Nunoboko Sword.

One statement makes your counter argument irrelevant, this statement: "This is sword of soul", the power of that sword to be fully utilised need strong spirit and wielder must be 100 % confident of his/her choice.

JJ Hagoromo reshaped the Whole world argument still wins

The power of the sword comes from Hagoromo's skill and strength, not spirit. That's principle for all Jutsu. No excuses here.

Madara's PS sword that cuts everything chops it to pieces, and chops Hagoromo alongside it.

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By the way, Obito was taught by Madara everything. So Madara knows about the sword.​

 

[Dragon Master]

Kaguya > Jinchuriki Hagoromo > Jinchuriki Madara > Non-Jinchuriki Hagoromo = Hamura

 

[KCMNaruto]

The power of the sword comes from Hagoromo's skill and strength, not spirit. That's principle for all Jutsu. No excuses here.

Madara's PS sword that cuts everything chops it to pieces, and chops Hagoromo alongside it.

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By the way, Obito was taught by Madara everything. So Madara knows about the sword.​

True, he also know that without being host of Ten tails you can not wield it. By human standards PS's blade is destruction incarnate. While once you become host of Ten tails:

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^^ Top right panel Obito's words counter your argument.

 

[Benjamin King]

True, he also know that without being host of Ten tails you can not wield it. By human standards PS's blade is destruction incarnate. While once you become host of Ten tails:

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^^ Top right panel Obito's words counter your argument.

The thread is about both characters using the Juubi's power.​