So apparently now Madara > Hagoromo

[spade3dg]

That part is inconsistent in the manga. How could they both have been shown as a parallel to seal Kaguya young, yet the Mazou/Juubi was left there. By that logic, there should be two moons. U_U Unless of course, Hagoromo merely had the Juubi's Chakra in him. But, that doesn't explain how in the hell the Bijuu too knew about the Gedou Mazou.

The gravitational dimension wouldn't stop Shinra Tensei. It's like how Sasuke's Jikukan still worked. Hell, Madara could switch with a Limbo clone.

Madara caught all of the Bijuu by himself, and sealed them in himself by himself. He even summoned the Gedou Mazou from Obito by himself.

When has Madara showed the ability to switch with one of his limbo shadows? Thats a made up ability by someone that hasnt paid attention to the fights.

Dude. All this bijuu together are nothing compared to the juubi.

It had all of their abilities plus more.

Look. The part where it showed them two sealing her, it was just imagery showing how similar they were to her sons. She seen her sons in Naruto and Sasuke.

Manga fact. Hagoromo became the juubi jinchuruki after defeating his mother /juubi, WITH HIS BROTHER.

Manga fact. He expelled the juubi from his body. Split it into 9 bijuu and the gedo mazo. Sealed the gedo mazo in the moon then sent the moon into space. While on the verge of death

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

madara fans are itachi fans 2.0

 

[spade3dg]

madara fans are itachi fans 2.0

Yup. Dont back anything up with facts. Make up moves. Ignore their weakness and claim they're unbeatable. Its pathetic

 

[Xāvî1]

i don't agree!

 

[Torche]

When has Madara showed the ability to switch with one of his limbo shadows? Thats a made up ability by someone that hasnt paid attention to the fights.

Dude. All this bijuu together are nothing compared to the juubi.

It had all of their abilities plus more.

Look. The part where it showed them two sealing her, it was just imagery showing how similar they were to her sons. She seen her sons in Naruto and Sasuke.

Manga fact. Hagoromo became the juubi jinchuruki after defeating his mother /juubi, WITH HIS BROTHER.

Manga fact. He expelled the juubi from his body. Split it into 9 bijuu and the gedo mazo. Sealed the gedo mazo in the moon then sent the moon into space. While on the verge of death

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I don't understand how that is relevant to anything. Kaguya ate a fruit to get her powers. That is not very difficult. :|

There is no point on the parallel if it didn't happen. She was "betrayed" a second time, like the first. She even stated that she was sealed by scattered chakra's again.

Hagoromo still would of had the Yin and Yang Marks. Give those to Madara to make it "equal" and he is even more powerful than before. You understand that, right? Those marks are exponentially powerful.

 

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I don't understand how that is relevant to anything. Kaguya ate a fruit to get her powers. That is not very difficult. :|

There is no point on the parallel if it didn't happen. She was "betrayed" a second time, like the first. She even stated that she was sealed by scattered chakra's again.

Hagoromo still would of had the Yin and Yang Marks. Give those to Madara to make it "equal" and he is even more powerful than before. You understand that, right? Those marks are exponentially powerful.

Excellent. Evidence. You not only proved your point, but you also proved mine.

Your point, Madara used the limbo shadow.

My point he was on the run from fragmented Hagoromo power. So imagine fighting the real thing.

 

[Torche]

Excellent. Evidence. You not only proved your point, but you also proved mine.

Your point, Madara used the limbo shadow.

My point he was on the run from fragmented Hagoromo power. So imagine fighting the real thing.

But it wasn't originally a Limbo. Did you forget that Naruto could see it at first, but he cannot see Limbo's?

 

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I don't understand how that is relevant to anything. Kaguya ate a fruit to get her powers. That is not very difficult. :|

There is no point on the parallel if it didn't happen. She was "betrayed" a second time, like the first. She even stated that she was sealed by scattered chakra's again.

Hagoromo still would of had the Yin and Yang Marks. Give those to Madara to make it "equal" and he is even more powerful than before. You understand that, right? Those marks are exponentially powerful.

Ok. What is a jinchuruki? One that has a bijuu sealed inside of them. Kaguya was sealed in Hagoromo making him the first jinchuruki of the juubi. She was sealed. Inside of him.

 

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But it wasn't originally a Limbo. Did you forget that Naruto could see it at first, but he cannot see Limbo's?

But he can sense ot with his senjutsu. Which he said to Sasuke.

He cant see them but he can feel where they are. My point was still proven thanks to your picture.

 

[Torche]

Ok. What is a jinchuruki? One that has a bijuu sealed inside of them. Kaguya was sealed in Hagoromo making him the first jinchuruki of the juubi. She was sealed. Inside of him.

But Kaguya can set the Juubi off under her orders. Why would she literally be inside it, or "be it"? :|

But he can sense ot with his senjutsu. Which he said to Sasuke.

He cant see them but he can feel where they are. My point was still proven thanks to your picture.

You missed my point. He SAW Madara, but when Madara switched there was nothing visible to him. It wasn't a Limbo the entire time otherwise Madara wouldn't have been visible.

 

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But Kaguya can set the Juubi off under her orders. Why would she literally be inside it, or "be it"? :|



You missed my point. He SAW Madara, but when Madara switched there was nothing visible to him. It wasn't a Limbo the entire time otherwise Madara wouldn't have been visible.

Ok screw this im tired. This topic got way off hand anyway.

Youre entitled to your own opinion as am I. If you want to think Madara is the strongest, so be it. Thanks for the entertainment though. First person I debated with without name-calling and trolling.

 

[Torche]

Ok screw this im tired. This topic got way off hand anyway.

Youre entitled to your own opinion as am I. If you want to think Madara is the strongest, so be it. Thanks for the entertainment though. First person I debated with without name-calling and trolling.

I don't think that Madara is the "strongest" per-say, but is more dangerous than Kaguya and Hagoromo. Agree to disagree than.

 

[Scryed]

IMO

Kaguya > Hagoromo > Madara


Want to know about Hamura though.

If Hagoromo had superior ocular powers Rinnegan > Byakugan, then I'm wondering whether Hamura had the superior physical power.

Can't say for sure so I'll say Madara > Hamura. For now.

 

[Torche]

IMO

Kaguya > Hagoromo > Madara


Want to know about Hamura though.

If Hagoromo had superior ocular powers Rinnegan > Byakugan, then I'm wondering whether Hamura had the superior physical power.

Can't say for sure so I'll say Madara > Hamura. For now.

I believe that Hamura's body was "Kaguya". So, he had the Shikotsumyaku. That would "give him 'superior physical power'" imo. This is just speculation. U_U

 

[Scryed]

I believe that Hamura's body was "Kaguya". So, he had the Shikotsumyaku. That would "give him 'superior physical power'" imo. This is just speculation. U_U

Speculation but you never know.

You may be right since we practically know nothing of him.

 

[Multiply]

Hagaromo gives Sasuke and Naruto a small fraction of chakra he had left after being dead, which was able to defeat Madara. However you guys think Madara is stronger than Hagaromo. What? :|

 

[Torche]

Speculation but you never know.

You may be right since we practically know nothing of him.

Well, it does have SOME facts. Like how else would the Shikotsumyaku be passed on? The same ability manifesting in others not related to Kaguya? Doubtful at best. Also, Nagato who was an Uzumaki was of the Senju lineage. From that we can conclude they are related to Ashura. U_U It's the only logical choice.

 

[Scryed]

Well, it does have SOME facts. Like how else would the Shikotsumyaku be passed on? The same ability manifesting in others not related to Kaguya? Doubtful at best. Also, Nagato who was an Uzumaki was of the Senju lineage. From that we can conclude they are related to Ashura. U_U It's the only logical choice.

Well that's true.

Although I personally believe KKG are fragments of Kaguya's power that certain lucky people may have acquired when Hagoromo shared her chakra with others during his time as a Jin in an attempt to teach ninshu.


Not too sure though so yup, I'm still curious about their past.

 

[Torche]

Well that's true.

Although I personally believe KKG are fragments of Kaguya's power that certain lucky people may have acquired when Hagoromo shared her chakra with others during his time as a Jin in an attempt to teach ninshu.


Not too sure though so yup, I'm still curious about their past.

That's a thought. I still think that everyone with a Kekkei Genkai is related to Kaguya. It's plausible with how large a bloodline can expand over years.

 

[minamoto]

Kaguya is no the strongest in the series...Kaguya just have the strongest chakra......

-just notice the fight Rikudo Madara VS naruto and sasuke and the other fight....kaguya vs sasuke and naruto.....comon !...im pretty sure you realize the big difference in badassery and fighting style....not to mention the fact that Madara soloed everyone in battlefield....

-and one more thing....Madara aint dead ...he will come back!!