So apparently now Madara > Hagoromo

[V h o]

Descendents. Not his sons. His sons were much stronger. Dont compare Naruto and Sasuke to Ashura and Indra. And he didnt fodderize them. He got owned by them and hell he even got owned by Black Zetsu

Tell that to Sasuke impaled by his sword, and Naruto being carried back home by Nurse Gaara. Madara evolved into the goddess further proving his superiority, that even genetics can be solo'd. Meanwhile Hagfish was debating on what school he'll haunt while his kids wrecked his world. How pathetic.

 

[FleeOnSight]

Hamura fought and sealed the juubi/Kaguya with Hagoromo. That is an impressive feat.

Impressive. But he's still below hagoromo and madara. Nothing against the guy. I actually wanna know more about him.

 

[spade3dg]

Impressive. But he's still below hagoromo and madara. Nothing against the guy. I actually wanna know more about him.

Agreed. Until it is proven otherwise. My OP said they could be switched. Id also like to know more about him and various other characters.

 

[FleeOnSight]

Agreed. Until it is proven otherwise. My OP said they could be switched. Id also like to know more about him and various other characters.

I actually wanna know where the hell did kaguya come from and what does she need a army for. If kishi ends the manga without telling us then he is a confirmed ****.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

1. Madara was nerfed to make the heroes look good.
2. Madara never went all out, and right before he did kishi killed it.
3. Madara is the only being to solo the juubi
4. Madara obtained the third rinnegan which made him equal or stronger than prime hagoromo..


Hagoromo is strong and all, but he isn't the benchmark anymore, kaguya is.


Though I believe hagoromo with both seals is stronger than anyone.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

let me just put this here
hagoromo without the juubi created the moon

i've been saying this forever

 

[Torche]

Those MASS Chibaku Tensei were "rain drops". 'Nuff said. The only reason that Kaguya made an appearance was to kill off Madara. He was far too strong.

 

[ShinjuMadara]

Madara remains stronger than Hagoromo, he would win against him, and was only second to Kaguya.

He had best Genjutsu (IT) and EMS and Sharingan in addition to rinnegan. Also the Bijuu inside of him were stronger than when they were with Hagoromo (When they were babies) and since Fullgrown Bijuu are stronger than baby Bijuus, Madara has more chakra as well.

Madara automatically also gains all kekkei genkais, AFAIK, the sage only had the traditional 5 and the new kekkei genkais didn't exist till AFTER he split the Juubi into the Tailed beasts which was after he extracted himself. Also, Madara had the Gedo Mazo inside of him whereas the Sage did not.

We can also assume he had flying PS because him and Sasuke had rinnegan with tomoe.

Also, it never said the SO6P created the moon WITHOUT the Juubi, he used the power of the Juubi when he sealed in himself to seal the Gedo Mazo (after separating it from the Juubi) in the moon.

 

[ShinjuMadara]

i've been saying this forever

Where does he say he didn't use the Juubi's chakra?

 

[spade3dg]

I actually wanna know where the hell did kaguya come from and what does she need a army for. If kishi ends the manga without telling us then he is a confirmed ****.

Yes he needs to show off the origins of many characters. Hell I want to know the reason Oro turned so evil.

1. Madara was nerfed to make the heroes look good.
2. Madara never went all out, and right before he did kishi killed it.
3. Madara is the only being to solo the juubi
4. Madara obtained the third rinnegan which made him equal or stronger than prime hagoromo..


Hagoromo is strong and all, but he isn't the benchmark anymore, kaguya is.


Though I believe hagoromo with both seals is stronger than anyone.

What feat of Madaras is better than creatung the moon and sending it to space. I'll wait.

Those MASS Chibaku Tensei were "rain drops". 'Nuff said. The only reason that Kaguya made an appearance was to kill off Madara. He was far too strong.

Kaguya is the strongest in the manga. Hagoromo is right after her. No body else can take those two slots. Not even Madara

 

[spade3dg]

Madara remains stronger than Hagoromo, he would win against him, and was only second to Kaguya.

He had best Genjutsu (IT) and EMS and Sharingan in addition to rinnegan. Also the Bijuu inside of him were stronger than when they were with Hagoromo (When they were babies) and since Fullgrown Bijuu are stronger than baby Bijuus, Madara has more chakra as well.

Madara automatically also gains all kekkei genkais, AFAIK, the sage only had the traditional 5 and the new kekkei genkais didn't exist till AFTER he split the Juubi into the Tailed beasts which was after he extracted himself. Also, Madara had the Gedo Mazo inside of him whereas the Sage did not.

We can also assume he had flying PS because him and Sasuke had rinnegan with tomoe.

Also, it never said the SO6P created the moon WITHOUT the Juubi, he used the power of the Juubi when he sealed in himself to seal the Gedo Mazo (after separating it from the Juubi) in the moon.

He cast the juubi from his body on his deathbed. Split it into 9 beings. Then sent its body to space inside a giant chibaku tensie. That was said by Madara himself.

 

[Torche]

Kaguya is the strongest in the manga. Hagoromo is right after her. No body else can take those two slots. Not even Madara

I beg to differ. Kaguya might have more chakra and brute force, but Madara is more dangerous. Madara has been fighting for his ENTIRE life, he can use his powers far more efficiently and effectively. He also is smarter. To our knowledge, Hagromo has NEVER fought in any wars, and neither has Kaguya. That's why Hagoromo and Hamura could seal her regardless. None of them -again to our knowledge- have fought in wars, so they were at the same disadvantage.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

I beg to differ. Kaguya might have more chakra and brute force, but Madara is more dangerous. Madara has been fighting for his ENTIRE life, he can use his powers far more efficiently and effectively. He also is smarter. To our knowledge, Hagromo has NEVER fought in any wars, and neither has Kaguya. That's why Hagoromo and Hamura could seal her regardless. None of them -again to our knowledge- have fought in wars, so they were at the same disadvantage.

Technically Kaguya had fought in wars, but that was like swatting a fly, then getting shot.

 

[Torche]

Technically Kaguya had fought in wars, but that was like swatting a fly, then getting shot.

Kinda I guess.. Lol

 

[spade3dg]

I beg to differ. Kaguya might have more chakra and brute force, but Madara is more dangerous. Madara has been fighting for his ENTIRE life, he can use his powers far more efficiently and effectively. He also is smarter. To our knowledge, Hagromo has NEVER fought in any wars, and neither has Kaguya. That's why Hagoromo and Hamura could seal her regardless. None of them -again to our knowledge- have fought in wars, so they were at the same disadvantage.

Ok. You put your War god Madara up against a guy who could seal him in the f'ng moon on his deathbed.

Then put him up against his mother that could send him to a dimension filled with lava or one shot him with her bone tech.

His war experience means nothing.

Kaguya came from a era of constant war and singlehandedly stopped it. She cast the infinite tsukiyomi by herself. Not with help from another.

She did what Madara did by herself. Madara got his ass kicked his whole life by Hashirama. The only reason he lived was because Hashi considered him as a friend/brother

 

[Vapid]

Lord Madara is bliss.

 

[spade3dg]

Lord Madara is bliss.

I see im going to have to spank you.

 

[Torche]

Ok. You put your War god Madara up against a guy who could seal him in the f'ng moon on his deathbed.

Then put him up against his mother that could send him to a dimension filled with lava or one shot him with her bone tech.

His war experience means nothing.

Kaguya came from a era of constant war and singlehandedly stopped it. She cast the infinite tsukiyomi by herself. Not with help from another.

She did what Madara did by herself. Madara got his ass kicked his whole life by Hashirama. The only reason he lived was because Hashi considered him as a friend/brother

Lol I am assuming this is Madara "at his strongest".

Lava dimension? Madara can float with Tendou/Gudoudama.
Shinra Tensei > Killing ash bone thing.

"Can cast MT by herself", still ate the fruit to gain the power. Lol Being Juubi Jin = Eating Fruit in terms of "outside help".
Hagoromo "sealed the Gedou Mazou on his death bed", yet the moon was created when Hamura AND Hagoromo sealed Kaguya when they were younger.

Kaguya stopped "constant war". But the fodders were more foddery than the Shinobi alliance. Of course a Goddess would halt a war. :|

 

[spade3dg]

Lol I am assuming this is Madara "at his strongest".

Lava dimension? Madara can float with Tendou/Gudoudama.
Shinra Tensei > Killing ash bone thing.

"Can cast MT by herself", still ate the fruit to gain the power. Lol Being Juubi Jin = Eating Fruit in terms of "outside help".
Hagoromo "sealed the Gedou Mazou on his death bed", yet the moon was created when Hamura AND Hagoromo sealed Kaguya when they were younger.

Kaguya stopped "constant war". But the fodders were more foddery than the Shinobi alliance. Of course a Goddess would halt a war. :|

Wrong. You failed. Its a fact that Hagoromo became the jinchuruki of the juubi. He sealed it in the moon on his deathbed. Not right after they beat the fight. You fail on that one. He didnt form the moon until he was older and split the juubi into 9 different beings. THEN he created the moon. Fact.

She combines her dimension shifting powers with her bone tech to catch people off guard.

Easy solution. Send him to the high gravity dimension, open portal behind her and him. Shoot ash bone. Instakill.

She still attained the power by herself. Madara didnt. Thats what I said.

 

[Torche]

Wrong. You failed. Its a fact that Hagoromo became the jinchuruki of the juubi. He sealed it in the moon on his deathbed. Not right after they beat the fight. You fail on that one. He didnt form the moon until he was older and split the juubi into 9 different beings. THEN he created the moon. Fact.

She combines her dimension shifting powers with her bone tech to catch people off guard.

Easy solution. Send him to the high gravity dimension, open portal behind her and him. Shoot ash bone. Instakill.

She still attained the power by herself. Madara didnt. Thats what I said.

That part is inconsistent in the manga. How could they both have been shown as a parallel to seal Kaguya young, yet the Mazou/Juubi was left there. By that logic, there should be two moons. U_U Unless of course, Hagoromo merely had the Juubi's Chakra in him. But, that doesn't explain how in the hell the Bijuu too knew about the Gedou Mazou.

The gravitational dimension wouldn't stop Shinra Tensei. It's like how Sasuke's Jikukan still worked. Hell, Madara could switch with a Limbo clone.

Madara caught all of the Bijuu by himself, and sealed them in himself by himself. He even summoned the Gedou Mazou from Obito by himself.