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Why is it a plot power boost? Because you said so? Can I go around and claim powers that I donʻt want certain characters to have are just due to plot?

Every power that people obtain in this manga is due to plot, if naruto shows that he can blitz kaguya when heʻs enraged by Obitoʻs death, then it shows heʻs been holding back his speed.



The five tails didnʻt use any of his own chakra to do what he did to naruto. He used one of his abilities to bring narutoʻs existing chakra to the boiling point so that naruto can pull off strength feats like what he did. Plus, naruto has a portion of the bijuu within him, each portion is capable of regenerating chakra that itʻs used just like the real bijuu. Naruto obviously has a chakra avatar proven by pretty much everything we know about naruto and his powers.


Why doesnʻt it make sense? Every technique has a weakness, preta path is no different, kamui raikiri is a S/T, preta path simply canʻt absorb S/Ts. Narutoʻs chou bijuu RS hit her on the portion of her body that lost the arm which would explain why she couldnʻt absorb it, or it could just be way too much chakra for something like preta path to absorb before it hits kaguya.
Can you not split my words into paragraphs. That's quite annoying.

Because when plot is on your side you're able to be more stronger than you should be, Besides kaguya was able to react to and move away from sasuke's chidori from point blank. But whatever its common in shonen that whenever the villain gets the MC mad they somehow get stronger and injury the villain Lol.

ok i understand that and kamui raikiri has the user materializes their hand to strike and hit the enemy thus leaving the opponent unable to do a counter attack on the user since their body is in "ghost mode". The raikiri itself isn't made up of kamui. Therefore kaguya should've been able to absorb it but oh well and that really doesn't make sense. Kaguya would absorb it then go haywire but for some reason she tank the explosion and went haywire since the bijuu chakra collided with hers. Impossible it can't be "too much" to absorb, She was low on chakra and absorbing that would've benefited her.
 
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When naruto showed that he could WTF blitz kaguya when he really wants to

She was low on chakra when he did that.

or when obito and kakashi are forced to sacrifice themselves to save naruto and sasuke instead of the kids just blocking her bone tech with a chakra construct.
We've already seen that her All Killing Ash Bones rip right through any chakra construct and hit the user.

or when Naruto doesnʻt just abuse his bijuu powers like kokuoʻs super strength or kurama pumping out another tajuu kagebunshin.
Strength wouldn't have been that useful since she didn't really directly fight Naruto head on after Sasuke came back, and multiple clones won't do much but serve as a distraction, like they were in the manga.

or when Naruto doesnʻt even show a chakra avatar and doesnʻt even start the fight with his 9 onmyouton orbs.

Juubi Jins don't have chakra avatars, we know that much, and Naruto is pretty much the same as a Juubi Jin, him and them (Obito and Madara) both use Rikudo Senjutsu Mode as their transformation. I doubt that Naruto has a chakra avatar to show.

But I could be wrong.
 

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Can you not split my words into paragraphs. That's quite annoying.
why? splitting it into paragraphs makes it easier for you to understand exactly which points iʻm responding to.

Because when plot is on your side you're able to be more stronger than you should be, Besides kaguya was able to react to and move away from sasuke's chidori from point blank. But whatever its common in shonen that whenever the villain gets the MC mad they somehow get stronger and injury the villain Lol.
How does plot being on your side = you get more powerful than you should be? How can you even make the claim that plot is on someoneʻs side? It could just as easily have been the case that plot was on Kaguyaʻs side throughout the entire fight which is why naruto doesnʻt go around blitzing her body parts off.

What does shounen manga tendencies have to do with anything? Itʻs common in shounen mangas that when the hero gets mad, he gains more power. Goku got SSJ when he got mad at frieza, does that mean he canʻt use SSJ if plot is restricted?

ok i understand that and kamui raikiri has the user materializes their hand to strike and hit the enemy thus leaving the opponent unable to do a counter attack on the user since their body is in "ghost mode". The raikiri itself isn't made up of kamui. Therefore kaguya should've been able to absorb it but oh well and that really doesn't make sense. Kaguya would absorb it then go haywire but for some reason she tank the explosion and went haywire since the bijuu chakra collided with hers. Impossible it can't be "too much" to absorb, She was low on chakra and absorbing that would've benefited her.
The raikiri is made up of kamui, why else would it be called kamui raikiri? Kakashi couldnʻt even do any damage to madara or his limbo with a black chidori, why would a black raikiri all of a sudden damage someone whoʻs way stronger?

Why canʻt the attack be too much for her to absorb? Whatʻs the most powerful thing preta path has canonically absorbed? The 9 bijuudama explosions did less damage to her than narutoʻs chakra arm slash, that pretty much proves if anything that she tried to absorb it, but failed to absorb the entire thing due to how massively power it was.

She was low on chakra when he did that.
If her abilities get gimped so much because of low chakras, Narutoʻs abilities at that time should have been gimped even more considering she had previously absorbed his chakras, he had just poured out his maximum chakras to try and heal obito and he used things like tajuu kagebunshin.

Plus, being low on chakra wouldnʻt affect her ability to mentally react to narutoʻs attacks, only her ability to physically react, yet she only noticed naruto after he sliced her arm off. Then thereʻs the fact that sheʻs still way faster than Sasuke in that low chakra state.
We've already seen that her All Killing Ash Bones rip right through any chakra construct and hit the user.
no it doesnʻt. It stops when it hits a chakra construct and then destroys the chakra construct. Had naruto or sasuke defended with an arm, the bone stops at the arm and the arm gets destroyed leaving naruto and sasuke safe.

Strength wouldn't have been that useful since she didn't really directly fight Naruto head on after Sasuke came back, and multiple clones won't do much but serve as a distraction, like they were in the manga.
Naruto had her on the complete defensive when he first used his multiple clones, and had any of the clones been powered by kokuoʻs strength she wouldnʻt have been able to block their hits with her arms, legs and hair, and narutoʻs multiclones hit kaguya with 9 bijuu rasenshurikens so I have no idea how you can claim they just serve as a distraction.


Juubi Jins don't have chakra avatars, we know that much, and Naruto is pretty much the same as a Juubi Jin, him and them (Obito and Madara) both use Rikudo Senjutsu Mode as their transformation. I doubt that Naruto has a chakra avatar to show.
Why donʻt they have chakra avatars? Rikudousenjutsu mode is like their BM cloak, chakra avatars is an ability they can use with that BM cloak. How can they even use chakra arms if they canʻt use the avatar as well? Madara didnʻt use susanoo as a juubi jinchuriki, I doubt that means madara canʻt use susanoo.
 
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She was low on chakra when he did that.


We've already seen that her All Killing Ash Bones rip right through any chakra construct and hit the user.


Strength wouldn't have been that useful since she didn't really directly fight Naruto head on after Sasuke came back, and multiple clones won't do much but serve as a distraction, like they were in the manga.



Juubi Jins don't have chakra avatars, we know that much, and Naruto is pretty much the same as a Juubi Jin, him and them (Obito and Madara) both use Rikudo Senjutsu Mode as their transformation. I doubt that Naruto has a chakra avatar to show.

But I could be wrong.
Who do you think wins? I'm not really that good of a debater so i'll take your words for it who'd win.
 

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If her abilities get gimped so much because of low chakras, Narutoʻs abilities at that time should have been gimped even more considering she had previously absorbed his chakras, he had just poured out his maximum chakras to try and heal obito and he used things like tajuu kagebunshin.

She used up most of her chakra, Naruto clearly didn't. She didn't take most of his chakra in that short period she was absorbing it from him, nor did he use most of it up for his multi Shdow Clones as Kurama molded and handed him chakra specifically for the use of the jutsu. And I'm seeing no evidence that Naruto poured out his "maximum chakras" to try and heal Obito. Not to mention he has a portion of 8 other beasts along with half of Hagoromo's chakra in him.

Kaguya's dimensional traveling was stated to take up a lot of chakra, and near the point where Naruto lolblitzed her,

Plus, being low on chakra wouldnʻt affect her ability to mentally react to narutoʻs attacks, only her ability to physically react, yet she only noticed naruto after he sliced her arm off. Then thereʻs the fact that sheʻs still way faster than Sasuke in that low chakra state.
When she absorbed more chakra, Black Zetsu stated that her speed and strength are nothing compared to before. So yes, chakra level does affect her speed.

no it doesnʻt. It stops when it hits a chakra construct and then destroys the chakra construct. Had naruto or sasuke defended with an arm, the bone stops at the arm and the arm gets destroyed leaving naruto and sasuke safe.
Nope.


Went right through Susanoo and would have hit Kakashi had he not phased through it.

Naruto had her on the complete defensive when he first used his multiple clones, and had any of the clones been powered by kokuoʻs strength she wouldnʻt have been able to block their hits with her arms, legs and hair, and narutoʻs multiclones hit kaguya with 9 bijuu rasenshurikens so I have no idea how you can claim they just serve as a distraction.
I said that the multi Shadow Clones, as in the mass Shadow Clones, were a distraction. Not the ones he used to hit her with Bijuu RS. But nonetheless you have a point here.



Why donʻt they have chakra avatars? Rikudousenjutsu mode is like their BM cloak, chakra avatars is an ability they can use with that BM cloak. How can they even use chakra arms if they canʻt use the avatar as well? Madara didnʻt use susanoo as a juubi jinchuriki, I doubt that means madara canʻt use susanoo.

Kishimoto made it clear to highlight all of the abilities that a Juubi Jinchuuriki is granted through Madara and, especially, Obito's display. Yet there was no chakra avatar ever seen. So I'm inclined to believe that a Juubi's Jinchuuriki doesn't get a chakra avatar. I don't see how chakra arms=a usable chakra avatar when Naruto used chakra arms long before he ever gained Bijuu Mode. Susanoo is different as we already know that Susanoo is one of Madara's abilities. No reason to highlight old moves.


Who do you think wins? I'm not really that good of a debater so i'll take your words for it who'd win.

Kaguya would probably take it.
 
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