jiraya vs danzu

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Scenario 1

Condition :This is base jiraya vs danzu
Location: oro vs tusonade and jiraya in part 1
Restrictions: KA


Scenario 2

Condition : this is sm jiraya vs danzu
The same location and restrictions

Who win in this 2 s?
 

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Danzo wins the first scenario, but probably loses the second one.
 

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why!!?i think base jiraya can beat danzo high diff
 

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why!!?i think base jiraya can beat danzo high diff

The simple fact that he managed to push a MS user to high-diff makes it impossible for me to picture Danzo losing to Jiraiya w/o at least making him use his trump card.
I claimed SM Jiraiya would win, but even that is a gamble imo. The only way i see Jiraiya winning is if he manages to go into SM (which i'm sure he would) and has a clone deployed before Baku pops on the battlefield. Otherwise he eventually gets hit by an enhanced Futon and its game over.
 

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1st scenario - Danzo stomps.
2nd scenario - Danzo low/mid diff.
 

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The simple fact that he managed to push a MS user to high-diff makes it impossible for me to picture Danzo losing to Jiraiya w/o at least making him use his trump card.
I claimed SM Jiraiya would win, but even that is a gamble imo. The only way i see Jiraiya winning is if he manages to go into SM (which i'm sure he would) and has a clone deployed before Baku pops on the battlefield. Otherwise he eventually gets hit by an enhanced Futon and its game over.

so ,you are talking about A>B>C
Baku is beaten be katon jutsu
i dont see how danzo can beat base jiraya with his boss toads
danzo has no answer for many of jiraya’s techs like oil and fire combination,toads,swamp underworld ..etc
 

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Jiraiya takes this in both scenarios in my honest opinion.
 

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wait ,can danzu just appear behind jiraya after being killed by izanagi?
 

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Jiraiy wins both scenarios
 

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so ,you are talking about A>B>C

A>B>C logic would be claiming that since Hebi Sasuke > Deidara and Deidara > Gaara, then Hebi Sasuke >> Gaara. All we know is that MS Sasuke > Danzo. Its not even possible to fit Jiraiya in seeing as he doesn't have a direct connection.
I don't think a manga statement is needed to realize who's stronger between base Jiraiya and a MS user. All i'm claiming is that Jiraiya doesn't stand a chance if he doesn't go all out, which doesn't seem like a ridiculous statement to me.

Baku is beaten be katon jutsu

Not before Danzo blows three wind blades at Jiraiya.

i dont see how danzo can beat base jiraya with his boss toads

Boss toads aren't making a difference. Sasuke certainly had access to Aoda at the time, yet he chose not to summon him or any other larger snake and relied on Susanoo instead for a good reason.
Danzo's regular Futon and Izanagi are more than enough to survive and effectively counter attack during any encounter with those summons.

danzo has no answer for many of jiraya’s techs like oil and fire combination,toads,swamp underworld ..etc

How exactly are those going to help?
Sasuke had Katon as well. Barely made a difference.
Any toad Jiraiya brings forth gets cut and goes back to where it came from.
Swamp of the Underworld? Oil?... ._.

What's Jiraiya's answer in base for Danzo's constant pressure which pushed a Susanoo user to its limits?
Sasuke needed Susanoo to survive throughout his battle against Danzo and eventually pull off a high-diff win. Jiraiya doesn't have the same luxury and he's certainly not above that level.
 
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Danzo wins both scenarios

-Base jiraiya has nothing on Danzo really, He kept up in speed and taijutsu with Sasuke, who's faster than base jiraiya. Also jiraiya should be careful against danzo's seals and genjutsu. Danzo stomps

-SM jiraiya would be able to kill danzo a couple of times, but Izanagi would be constantly saving him and Jiraiya would lose a lot of chakra. Jiraiya still has to fight long range since short range would put him on disadvantage since just one touch and he gets the parallysis seal. Danzo wins high diff
 

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A>B>C logic would be claiming that since Hebi Sasuke > Deidara and Deidara > Gaara, then Hebi Sasuke >> Gaara. All we know is that MS Sasuke > Danzo. Its not even possible to fit Jiraiya in seeing as he doesn't have a direct connection.
I don't think a manga statement is needed to realize who's stronger between base Jiraiya and a MS user. All i'm claiming is that Jiraiya doesn't stand a chance if he doesn't go all out, which doesn't seem like a ridiculous statement to me.



Not before Danzo blows three wind blades at Jiraiya.



Boss toads aren't making a difference. Sasuke certainly had access to Aoda at the time, yet he chose not to summon him or any other larger snake and relied on Susanoo instead for a good reason.
Danzo's regular Futon and Izanagi are more than enough to survive and effectively counter attack during any encounter with those summons.



How exactly are those going to help?
Sasuke had Katon as well. Barely made a difference.
Any toad Jiraiya brings forth gets cut and goes back to where it came from.
Swamp of the Underworld? Oil?... ._.

What's Jiraiya's answer in base for Danzo's constant pressure which pushed a Susanoo user to its limits?
Sasuke needed Susanoo to survive throughout his battle against Danzo and eventually pull off a high-diff win. Jiraiya doesn't have the same luxury and he's certainly not above that level.

Danzo > MS Sasuke

Danzo was holding back to be able to kill madara, that's why he didn't even use shisui's eye for genjutsu, he was just keeping that to use it on Madara. Also Sasuke got information on izanagi from Karin.

All out battle would have ended up with sasuke dead. Probably exhausted danzo
 

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Danzo > MS Sasuke

The manga shows otherwise.

Danzo was holding back to be able to kill madara, that's why he didn't even use shisui's eye for genjutsu, he was just keeping that to use it on Madara. Also Sasuke got information on izanagi from Karin.

Shisui's eye was on cooldown.
Karin didn't do squat. He figured out Izanagi before she did ( )

All out battle would have ended up with sasuke dead. Probably exhausted danzo

So, you're alleging that Danzo purposely ran out of Izanagi? That makes no sense.
 

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The manga shows otherwise.



Shisui's eye was on cooldown.
Karin didn't do squat. He figured out Izanagi before she did ( )



So, you're alleging that Danzo purposely ran out of Izanagi? That makes no sense.

plot saved sasuke


a when danzo had the seal on him he could have killed sasuke...but hesitated if you know danzos character...that goes against everything he stands for


also when they both stabbed each other

karin healed sasuke...meaning that while it would have been a tie here...plot saved him again


even with danzos suicide seal...tobi warned sasuke again lol


also note that at the beginning..danzo had almost got sasuke with a surprise wind jutsu but karin was able to warn sasuke before a hit him...that could have done damage
 

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Danzo wins both
 

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Danzo takes it both scenarios.

Danzo > MS Sasuke

Danzo was holding back to be able to kill madara, that's why he didn't even use shisui's eye for genjutsu, he was just keeping that to use it on Madara. Also Sasuke got information on izanagi from Karin.

All out battle would have ended up with sasuke dead. Probably exhausted danzo

Outside of KA, Sasuke is superior to Danzo, and that isn't even a full powered MS Sasuke.
 

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Outside of KA, Sasuke is superior to Danzo, and that isn't even a full powered MS Sasuke.

I think you should re-read their fight if you think Sasuke was superior.
 

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I think you should re-read their fight if you think Sasuke was superior.

I think you should re-read the manga if you think Danzo was superior, considering he's the one who lost. Lol. The only thing he didn't use was Shisui's eye, and I already discounted KA. Lol, funny part is that Sasuke started off with a measly Skeletal Susanoo. Full Power MS Sasuke has an Armored Susanoo.

Manga made it very clear that Sasuke>Danzo.
 

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I think you should re-read the manga if you think Danzo was superior, considering he's the one who lost. Lol. The only thing he didn't use was Shisui's eye, and I already discounted KA. Lol, funny part is that Sasuke started off with a measly Skeletal Susanoo. Full Power MS Sasuke has an Armored Susanoo.

Manga made it very clear that Sasuke>Danzo.

Karin helped him out. Thrice. Danzo could've killed him during his Cursed Seal but Kishimoto decided they could have some bullshit talk so Sasuke could get his power-up.

So basically, he got saved 4 times. Not to mention Danzo having to remember 'Madara's' presence in there.
 

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Karin helped him out. Thrice. Danzo could've killed him during his Cursed Seal but Kishimoto decided they could have some bullshit talk so Sasuke could get his power-up.
Lol. This excuse?


Karin spent all her time trying to find out how it worked so she could tell Sasuke, only for him to cut her off and say the same exact thing that she was about to tell him.

Obito made it clear that Sasuke has been continuously pressuring Danzo so Izanagi will be used up in 10 minutes instead of Danzo releasing it to save time. Can't do that if he doesn't know how the jutsu works.


And lol @ the bold: Susanoo's release expelled enough chakra at once to overpower the Cursed Seal. That is something he can do regardless of who is talking to him. Not to mention that even goes beyond my original point. Sasuke>Danzo. Taking Sasuke from an earlier point of the fight, where he was clearly weaker, isn't going to prove your point.

So basically, he got saved 4 times. Not to mention Danzo having to remember 'Madara's' presence in there.

Being aware that "Madara" is there isn't going to hamper his fighting ability. He specifically reserved Koto for him anyway.
 
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