Will having complete Kurama be a huge powerboost?

[TrollKing]

thatʻs once again, not cooperation, thatʻs subjugation. Cooperation is what makes perfect jinchurikiʻs so powerful. Cooperation is why Kaguya was so miffed that she lost to mere fragments of her power. Cooperation is why naruto can use the tailed beastʻs powers.

It doesnʻt matter what way you slice it, kaguya doesnʻt gain her powers from the willing cooperation that naruto does which explains why he can match her despite having no where near what she has.

Do you really think your left hand and right hand cooperate together is going to be much better than me telling what my both hands what to do?? They are the same thing at best. The worst case is when your hands start to argue any point. Why jin needs cooperation? Because you have two minds together. If naruto doesn't cooperate, Bijus will take him over

 

[lanakui8]

Do you really think your left hand and right hand cooperate together is going to be much better than me telling what my both hands what to do?? They are the same thing at best. The worst case is when your hands start to argue any point.

except the tailed beasts arenʻt hands, they are literally seperate entities with their own minds. The only way kaguya can use their combined powers is by fusing them into the juubi and then controlling its powers as its jinchuriki. Naruto doesnʻt do that, he instead has all 9 bijuu willingly cooperate with him in order to get his rikudousenjutsu mode, and the manga has show that thatʻs a far more efficient use of the bijuuʻs power. So much so that naruto can fight on par with kaguya.

Why jin needs cooperation? Because you have two minds together. If naruto doesn't cooperate, Bijus will take him over

What does that have to do with my argument? Sure perfect jinchurikis need cooperation to be a perfect jinchuriki, thatʻs the point. that doesnʻt mean that the jinchuriki is less or just as powerful as one who subjugates the bijuu to do his will by force.

 

[narutoblitz]

I don't think Nardo gets the full kyuubi to be honest. I'm guessing Kurama and the other TB leave as part of some truce with Sasuke.

 

[DrProof]

20% all biju power >=< 100% all biju power kaguya.

Cooperation of Bijus is hardly relevant

Basically what he's saying is Quality >/= Quantity which I whole-heartedly agree with.

 

[TrollKing]

except the tailed beasts arenʻt hands, they are literally seperate entities with their own minds. The only way kaguya can use their combined powers is by fusing them into the juubi and then controlling its powers as its jinchuriki. Naruto doesnʻt do that, he instead has all 9 bijuu willingly cooperate with him in order to get his rikudousenjutsu mode, and the manga has show that thatʻs a far more efficient use of the bijuuʻs power. So much so that naruto can fight on par with kaguya.


What does that have to do with my argument? Sure perfect jinchurikis need cooperation to be a perfect jinchuriki, thatʻs the point. that doesnʻt mean that the jinchuriki is less or just as powerful as one who subjugates the bijuu to do his will by force.

Bijus are kaguya's limb, kaguya tell her limb how to move, while naruto needs his tools to cooperate each other. If you want to talk about cooperation, kaguya is A lot more effective than naruto

It's either cooperate or to fight each other. Do you rather yourself to have 10 minds, so you have to cooperate yourself all the time that you don't try to argue with yourself or jealous with yourself??

 

[lanakui8]

Bijus are kaguya's limb, kaguya tell her limb how to move, while naruto needs his tools to cooperate each other. If you want to talk about cooperation, kaguya is A lot more effective than naruto

Oh no bijuuʻs are definitely not the same as hands to kaguya. Kaguya doesnʻt even control the bijuu, she controls the bijuuʻs chakra or their combined form: the juubi. Narutoʻs chakra and power he gets from the bijuu are from their willing cooperation and combining the chakra itself rather than combining the beasts.

And no, the bijuu are in no way shape or form ʻcooperatingʻ with kaguya as cooperation involves will, once again and hopefully for the last time, she attains power through subjugation, not cooperation.

It's either cooperate or to fight each other. Do you rather yourself to have 10 minds, so you have to cooperate yourself all the time that you don't try to argue with yourself or jealous with yourself??

Except thatʻs obviously not how it works. That assumes that the 9 bijuu within naruto = a juubi composed of all of their chakras which is obviously false as weʻve seen Naruto is capable of holding his own against Kaguya.

And you canʻt ʻcooperate with yourselfʻ unless you are more than one entity and if you are more than one entity then you arenʻt yourself, you are yourself + other entity.

Maybe for the last time Iʻll repeat this point: willing cooperation combined power of the 9 bijuu >> juubi created from the 9 bijuuʻs.

 

[TrollKing]

Oh no bijuuʻs are definitely not the same as hands to kaguya. Kaguya doesnʻt even control the bijuu, she controls the bijuuʻs chakra or their combined form: the juubi. Narutoʻs chakra and power he gets from the bijuu are from their willing cooperation and combining the chakra itself rather than combining the beasts.

And no, the bijuu are in no way shape or form ʻcooperatingʻ with kaguya as cooperation involves will, once again and hopefully for the last time, she attains power through subjugation, not cooperation.


Except thatʻs obviously not how it works. That assumes that the 9 bijuu within naruto = a juubi composed of all of their chakras which is obviously false as weʻve seen Naruto is capable of holding his own against Kaguya.

And you canʻt ʻcooperate with yourselfʻ unless you are more than one entity and if you are more than one entity then you arenʻt yourself, you are yourself + other entity.

Maybe for the last time Iʻll repeat this point: willing cooperation combined power of the 9 bijuu >> juubi created from the 9 bijuuʻs.

Kaguya herself is the jubi. Basically 20% of fragments of kaguya had to cooperate together to fight 80% kaguya

Kaguya doesn't need cooperation because she is all the biju herself. There's no multiple personality disorder, so she better than being has to cooperate herself. Those 9 biju had to cooperate because they would fight each other if they don't, unlike kaguya.

Kaguya: has full power, no chance of disagreement with herself(self harming)so no need to cooperate at all(already single mindset)

Bijus: small fragments of power, multiple personality, ready to disagree each other anytime, has to coorperate to achieve single mindset

 

[xxSAGExx]

Kaguya herself is the jubi. Basically 20% of fragments of kaguya had to cooperate together to fight 80% kaguya

Kaguya doesn't need cooperation because she is all the biju herself. There's no multiple personality disorder, so she better than being has to cooperate herself. Those 9 biju had to cooperate because they would fight each other if they don't, unlike kaguya.

Kaguya: has full power, no chance of disagreement with herself(self harming)so no need to cooperate at all(already single mindset)

Bijus: small fragments of power, multiple personality, ready to disagree each other anytime, has to coorperate to achieve single mindset

Not really. The Juubi was it's own entity before Kaguya ate it's fruit and Hagaromo created the 9 Bijuus out of the Juubi and each have their own personality as they are mass of living chakra. Naruto gained KM by removing Kurama's will for his chakra so what if Kaguya is doing the same with the Juubi?

 

[Seventh Sama]

Not really. The Juubi was it's own entity before Kaguya ate it's fruit and Hagaromo created the 9 Bijuus out of the Juubi and each have their own personality as they are mass of living chakra. Naruto gained KM by removing Kurama's will for his chakra so what if Kaguya is doing the same with the Juubi?

No, The Juubi is a combination of kaguya and the god tree.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Yes it would be quite big power boost.

However most likely skillwise nothing would change, but chakra wise and all body/mind traits would increase quite a lot.

 

[xxSAGExx]

No, The Juubi is a combination of kaguya and the god tree.

The Juubi is the God tree, Kaguya are from the god tree to get chakra so how can she be it if it existed before her?

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. They only have the same will which is to get all of the chakra back, she only wants all of the chakra which is what the God tree wants, they aren't the same being. That's like saying Naruto and Kurama are one because they both want peace. The Nuubi is the incarnation of the God tree

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Kaguya absorbed the God tree at some point and they turned into the Juubi as a result

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. But Going back to the part where Hagaromo and his brother sealed the Juubi, they sealed it's body (Gedo Mazo) into the moon and broke the Juubi chakra into 9 pieces. Kaguya didn't come to play until Black Zetsu spread throughout Madara's Juubi body. Kaguya isn't the Juubi as it can be summoned/revived without bringing her back. It's more like the God tree transformed in Kaguya but she wasn't revived when the Juubi was so how can she be it? Looks more like she was in BZ.

 

[warlee]

the potency of his jutsu will increase.

 

[Draw]

He would have access to all of kurama's power and full bijuu mode. His KCM and BM are only at half power, plus maybe he needs the full nine tails to go in that ashura bijuu mode.