[Theory] The National Treasure.

[Skylar Knight]

I doubt that Joyboy would just reveal important information like that to someone he doesn't even know. If anything he would realize that Doflamingo is just as corrupt as every other Celestial Dragon and refuse to tell him the location of the AWs and Raftel.

There's that, of course, or he could blackmail the Tenryuubito if he ever gets his hands on Joy Boy. His goal is to 'destroy every last part of the world they (the tenryuubito) control'. If Joy Boy's existence is revealed, who knows how people would react.

"I'd have been able to use the Treasure of Marijois and hold the reins of the world!"

'Holding the reins of the world' is a figure of speech. Just like when you're holding the reins of a horse, you're controlling it and decides where it should go. Therefore we can (perhaps) assume that his goal is to control the World Government behind the shadows, blackmailing them if they don't do as he says. They, the government, would not want someone to reveal the existence of the national treasure at all cost, it seems.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It always depends on what they did to him. I'd be pretty surprised if my country's had a prisoner of war for over nine hundred years, and perhaps tortured and toyed with him, just to gain some information out of the poor guy. I'd also be surprised if we found out he was originally the king or a high figure of a country that once was in a war with us, nine hundred years ago, but is now secretly under chains in, for example, the White House.

I don't know about you, but I'd probably lose a lot of respect/trust in my government. There's been wars and revolutions for less.



It's not that hard to just put him in a building, you know. They don't need a huge prison or gigantic cell. For all we know, he could be inside a poneglyph there, or something similar, but since he's immortal, he just won't die out of starvation or dehydration.

Time to use the same logic you've used to disprove the Ancient Weapon thing:
The world knows the Tenryuubito, who have the World Government under their thumb, run shit with an iron fist, keep slaves and have them under horrible working conditions, and still trust the WG. One more slave who was treated horribly isn't gonna change that.

 

[Skylar Knight]

Time to use the same logic you've used to disprove the Ancient Weapon thing:
The world knows the Tenryuubito, who have the World Government under their thumb, run shit with an iron fist, keep slaves and have them under horrible working conditions, and still trust the WG. One more slave who was treated horribly isn't gonna change that.

Only that it isn't 'just a slave'. There's a difference between a 'common' slave, if I can call it that, and a man who's perhaps been locked up for 900 years. If my memory serves, the US, not too long ago, admitted to have tortured people the past decade, to get important information out of them. Of course, it raised questions and the government was criticized by a number of people. In the end, the criticism ceased. However, imagine the reactions of the people if they, the Government, said something along the lines of: "We've tortured someone for the past fifty years, becuase of this and that."

I know, one of my other 'real life' examples, but it does make one think. The Tenryuubito have certain privileges that the common man doesn't have; owe slaves, choose so and so many wives to have, and murder if they so please. However, would people really tolerate it if they found out that 'Joy Boy' has been the Tenryuubito's 'plaything' for the past nine centuries? I don't know.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Only that it isn't 'just a slave'. There's a difference between a 'common' slave, if I can call it that, and a man who's perhaps been locked up for 900 years. If my memory serves, the US, not too long ago, admitted to have tortured people the past decade, to get important information out of them. Of course, it raised questions and the government was criticized by a number of people. In the end, the criticism ceased. However, imagine the reactions of the people if they, the Government, said something along the lines of: "We've tortured someone for the past fifty years, becuase of this and that."

I know, one of my other 'real life' examples, but it does make one think. The Tenryuubito have certain privileges that the common man doesn't have; owe slaves, choose so and so many wives to have, and murder if they so please. However, would people really tolerate it if they found out that 'Joy Boy' has been the Tenryuubito's 'plaything' for the past nine centuries? I don't know.

Quite frankly, no, it doesn't make you think. Your real life examples do not work for this scenario. Bill Clinton was almost impeached just for sexual harassment charges. If people found out the leaders of America were killers, had slaves, or tortured for centuries, they'd be gone right away and executed. The people of the One Piece world ARE AWARE that their rulers do this, and still follow them. These two scenarios cannot be compared via analogy because we'd turn against our rulers if they did what the Tenryuubito do, but the One Piece world still follows them.

 

[Skylar Knight]

Quite frankly, no, it doesn't make you think. Your real life examples do not work for this scenario. Bill Clinton was almost impeached just for sexual harassment charges. If people found out the leaders of America were killers, had slaves, or tortured for centuries, they'd be gone right away and executed. The people of the One Piece world ARE AWARE that their rulers do this, and still follow them. These two scenarios cannot be compared via analogy because we'd turn against our rulers if they did what the Tenryuubito do, but the One Piece world still follows them.

It's far from common knowledge that the Tenryuubito do what they do, although there are a fair number of people who're aware of their doings. Those we saw at Sabaody Archipelago were mostly nobles, who seem to share a lot of the Tenryuubito's philosophy. If people really were okay with what the Tenryuubito do, the news wouldn't be manipulated by the Government. They even hid the fact that the Auction House was a place to buy slaves, and instead called it a 'public employment security office'.

The reason why the people of One Piece still 'follow' the Tenryuubito, is because they'd get a lightning fast kick in their face if they would ever go against them. It's a dictatorship, basically. Like we've witnessed before, metaphorically, it only takes a drop before the glass falls over.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

It's far from common knowledge that the Tenryuubito do what they do, although there are a fair number of people who're aware of their doings. Those we saw at Sabaody Archipelago were mostly nobles, who seem to share a lot of the Tenryuubito's philosophy. If people really were okay with what the Tenryuubito do, the news wouldn't be manipulated by the Government. They even hid the fact that the Auction House was a place to buy slaves, and instead called it a 'public employment security office'.

The reason why the people of One Piece still 'follow' the Tenryuubito, is because they'd get a lightning fast kick in their face if they would ever go against them. It's a dictatorship, basically. Like we've witnessed before, metaphorically, it only takes a drop before the glass falls over.

The normal citizens at Sabaody saw Saint Charloss ride a commoner all around the place like a horse. They also saw him try to force a nurse to be has wife and shot her fiancé.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's far from common knowledge that the Tenryuubito do what they do, although there are a fair number of people who're aware of their doings. Those we saw at Sabaody Archipelago were mostly nobles, who seem to share a lot of the Tenryuubito's philosophy. If people really were okay with what the Tenryuubito do, the news wouldn't be manipulated by the Government. They even hid the fact that the Auction House was a place to buy slaves, and instead called it a 'public employment security office'.

The reason why the people of One Piece still 'follow' the Tenryuubito, is because they'd get a lightning fast kick in their face if they would ever go against them. It's a dictatorship, basically. Like we've witnessed before, metaphorically, it only takes a drop before the glass falls over.

The commoners are well aware the Tenryuubito carry slaves. The auction house's name needed to be hidden because a normal human ran it. If a Tenryuubito ran it, there would be a no need to hide the name.

 

[Skylar Knight]

The normal citizens at Sabaody saw Saint Charloss ride a commoner all around the place like a horse. They also saw him try to force a nurse to be has wife and shot her fiancé.

The commoners are well aware the Tenryuubito carry slaves. The auction house's name needed to be hidden because a normal human ran it. If a Tenryuubito ran it, there would be a no need to hide the name.

It was ran by Doflamingo, wasn't it? Either way, it really doesn't change the fact that, in the end, it's all a dictatorship. People get killed if they ever go against the Tenryuubito, and so they're forced to tolerate their actions and special priveleges. They don't follow the Tenryuubito. The World Government is a prime example on a dictatorship that is slowly falling apart.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It was ran by Doflamingo, wasn't it? Either way, it really doesn't change the fact that, in the end, it's all a dictatorship. People get killed if they ever go against the Tenryuubito, and so they're forced to tolerate their actions and special priveleges. They don't follow the Tenryuubito. The World Government is a prime example on a dictatorship that is slowly falling apart.

Doflamingo advertised it and partially funded it. It was owned by that guy with the rockstar glasses. Not only that, but no one knew Doflamingo was a Tenryuubito, not even Law who was close to him. The people follow the World Government, which they know answers to the Tenryuubito.

 

[Skylar Knight]

Doflamingo advertised it and partially funded it. It was owned by that guy with the rockstar glasses. Not only that, but no one knew Doflamingo was a Tenryuubito, not even Law who was close to him. The people follow the World Government, which they know answers to the Tenryuubito.

This page right here says that it belonged to Doflamingo, unless there's an error in the translation, which happens every so often.

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The Tenryuubito are portrayed as dictators, and, without a doubt, they are dictators. While the World Government, including the Marines, do their best to be portrayed as 'nice guys', while, in reality, they're not, unknown to the common man. They bring back fleeing slaves, erase islands on a whim, and act more corrupt and evil than most pirates. Not many people are fond of this kind of ruling, though. That's why there is currently a revolution going on in their world. With the recent activities of the Revolutionaty Army, many countries have fallen, as the said countries seem to detest the current government system involving the World Nobles and slavery.

Anyway, we're way off track here now from the original discussion. I really don't think you can compare slavery to nine hundred years in imprisonment, and I certainly think Joy Boy's existence would cause a ruckus. That's just me, though, and this is only a theory. I think none of us have yet to guess our way to what the National Treasure really is, and, again, I doubt it's as simple as a weapon or a Poneglyph.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

This page right here says that it belonged to Doflamingo, unless there's an error in the translation, which happens every so often.

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The Tenryuubito are portrayed as dictators, and, without a doubt, they are dictators. While the World Government, including the Marines, do their best to be portrayed as 'nice guys', while, in reality, they're not, unknown to the common man. They bring back fleeing slaves, erase islands on a whim, and act more corrupt and evil than most pirates. Not many people are fond of this kind of ruling, though. That's why there is currently a revolution going on in their world. With the recent activities of the Revolutionaty Army, many countries have fallen, as they seem to detest the current government system involving the World Nobles and slavery.

Anyway, we're way off track here now from the original discussion. I really don't think you can compare slavery to nine hundred years in imprisonment, and I certainly think Joy Boy's existence would cause a ruckus. That's just me, though, and this is only a theory. I think none of us have yet to guess our way to what the National Treasure really is, and, again, I doubt it's as simple as a weapon or a Poneglyph.

I still don't see how Joyboy would tell an evil person like Doflamingo the location of the Ancient Weapons.

 

[Skylar Knight]

I still don't see how Joyboy would tell an evil person like Doflamingo the location of the Ancient Weapons.

'Joy Boy' doesn't necessarily have to tell Doflamingo anything. Look at it this way:

There's that, of course, or he could blackmail the Tenryuubito if he ever gets his hands on Joy Boy. His goal is to 'destroy every last part of the world they (the tenryuubito) control'. If Joy Boy's existence is revealed, who knows how people would react.

"I'd have been able to use the Treasure of Marijois and hold the reins of the world!"

'Holding the reins of the world' is a figure of speech. Just like when you're holding the reins of a horse, you're controlling it and decides where it should go. Therefore we can (perhaps) assume that his goal is to control the World Government behind the shadows, blackmailing them if they don't do as he says. They, the government, would not want someone to reveal the existence of the national treasure at all cost, it seems.

 

[WhistleBlower]

It always depends on what they did to him. I'd be pretty surprised if my country's had a prisoner of war for over nine hundred years, and perhaps tortured and toyed with him, just to gain some information out of the poor guy. I'd also be surprised if we found out he was originally the king or a high figure of a country that once was in a war with us, nine hundred years ago, but is now secretly under chains in, for example, the White House.

I don't know about you, but I'd probably lose a lot of respect/trust in my government. There's been wars and revolutions for less.



It's not that hard to just put him in a building, you know. They don't need a huge prison or gigantic cell. For all we know, he could be inside a poneglyph there, or something similar, but since he's immortal, he just won't die out of starvation or dehydration.

Omg that makes sense. If joyboy is hidden in a poneglyph in marejois, anyone with the ope ope no mi could potentially open it !

 

[Skylar Knight]

Omg that makes sense. If joyboy is hidden in a poneglyph in marejois, anyone with the ope ope no mi could potentially open it !

I was thinking the same. He could be in the same state as Han Solo was in Star Wars, but, instead of being frozen in carbonite, he's stuck inside a poneglyph. Would be quite a twist, if I have to say so myself.

 

[sravan]

great theory