I agree with you on that but people here are using the fact Sasuke received Hashirama's Chakra therefore his DNA so that gives him I guess to them a chance of maybe being able to handle Natural Energy...
Yeah, that too and from the looks of it Minato's reserves aren't all that seeing how it takes him so long to mold the chakra and his senjutsu chakra is so weak
I agree with you on that but people here are using the fact Sasuke received Hashirama's Chakra therefore his DNA so that gives him I guess to them a chance of maybe being able to handle Natural Energy...
Having SENJUTSU given to you and handling NATURAL energy are two very different things. Senjutsu is a chakra natural energy mix that has already created. Juugo's body already did this for Sasuke before he received it. Much like Madara stealing Hashi's sage mode. He stole Senjutsu not the ability itself.
That means if Naruto starts absorbing Natural energy while Sasuke uses the petra path. Bye bye Sasuke.
1st Sasuke's reserves right now should be about above War Arc Obito at this point whose back never touched the ground this entire war via exhaustion, even while controlling bijuu. Not only that, but doujutsu attacks take less than normal ones for Sasuke.
2nd as far as big bang attacks Sasuke has Shinra Tensei which will blow away what ever Naruto throws at him, clones or whatever.
3rd Sasuke has 9 eyes (Bijuu have Sasuke's rinnengan in their eye. Therefore he can use outer path to see through their eyes) that he can use to keep an eye on Naruto eliminating his any blind spot Sasuke might have with Naruto.
4th Sasuke<Naruto in physical strength so he deals with kenjutsu. Chidori blade and Enton Swords keep Sasuke from having to resort to taijutsu in which Naruto would pretty much slaughter him
5th Sasuke's S/T jutsu is a good way to avoid Naruto's 5 Tail Boil Release and Naruto can't spam it because Naruto has to push his chakra levels to the boiling point in order to do the technique. This also makes it very obvious.
All this being said Naruto and Sasuke are pretty much equal. They will have a counter for pretty much everything the other does. Kishimoto held Sasuke back during Kaguya fight so it is only now that we get to see Sasuke 100% serious.
1. True but whats your point. Naruto's reserves make those "Strong yet within ninja attainability" reserves look small.
2. Only if Naruto can't resist it. You remember what happened to Pain when he tried to Shinra Tensai Kyuubi Naruto? And with his own physical powers I can see that happening easily. Plus as far as "big bang" attacks go its pretty shit compared to a continent buster.
3. Nah CT stops them from seeing. If pain couldn't see through a smoke bomb he ain't got abilities to match the byakugan.
4. That would be true if only Naruto didn't have Gudōdama, hello weapons and technique negation. Your still thinking in terms of pre-Rikudo powers chakra swords are all well and good but they are NOT Gudōdama swords.
5. I would say his S/T ninjutsu is his only solid defense.....Naruto has a defensive jutsu which is not defeat-able by Sasuke at all....Tell me one way in which a Gudōdama shield could be breached by Sasuke? Without Juugo helping...even if that wouldn't really work considering Naruto himself is a true sage.
Even saying all this I am not bias to Naruto I'm just looking at how stupid this will be if Sasuke somehow manages to put up a good fight never mind defeat Naruto. To me it just seems like lunacy when matching up their abilities.
his point was that reserves are ardly going to play any factor here considering sasukes is beng boosted by rikoudous chakra along side hashiramas cells in addition to his own so he has more than enough and his chakra control allows him to efficiently use techs without using up much chakra so reserves is hardly a factor.
2. Only if Naruto can't resist it. You remember what happened to Pain when he tried to Shinra Tensai Kyuubi Naruto? And with his own physical powers I can see that happening easily. Plus as far as "big bang" attacks go its pretty shit compared to a continent buster.
thats pain, sasuke>>>>>pain, he has rikoudous chakra which would boost his jutsus so they would be more powerful.
4. That would be true if only Naruto didn't have Gudōdama, hello weapons and technique negation. Your still thinking in terms of pre-Rikudo powers chakra swords are all well and good but they are NOT Gudōdama swords.
sasuke has sages chakra to bypass any gudoudama so his attacks are not getting negated in any way not to mention naruto hasnt even shown to use omyoudon which is what negates ninjutsu
5. I would say his S/T ninjutsu is his only solid defense.....Naruto has a defensive jutsu which is not defeat-able by Sasuke at all....Tell me one way in which a Gudōdama shield could be breached by Sasuke? Without Juugo helping...even if that wouldn't really work considering Naruto himself is a true sage.
he can use his S/T jutsu to try and catch naruto off guard so its also good for offense. gudodama shield can be cracked by senjutsu or attacks containing rikoudous sage chakra, sasuke has that rikoudous chakra and as a result his chidori became black. he can apply that chakra to his attacks would cut down any gudodama shield sorry rikudous sen chakra allows him bypass any gudodama.
Even saying all this I am not bias to Naruto I'm just looking at how stupid this will be if Sasuke somehow manages to put up a good fight never mind defeat Naruto. To me it just seems like lunacy when matching up their abilities.
yes you are bias because you are writing of sasuke which is a bit foolish esp when he just flat out said hes gotten used to the abilities of the rinnegan, he has much stronger abilities to showcase and they would all be boosted with rikudous chakra so they are going to much powerful than what weve seen before. rikudous chakra boosted kakashis ms to the point were he could pull out ps in one go, sasuke has half of that chakra and his rinnegan jutsus would be boosted by it so you can imagine how powerful he would look. its not lunacy, its just kishi beginning to show us sasukes full power which would be more than enough to match naruto.
his point was that reserves are ardly going to play any factor here considering sasukes is beng boosted by rikoudous chakra along side hashiramas cells in addition to his own so he has more than enough and his chakra control allows him to efficiently use techs without using up much chakra so reserves is hardly a factor.
thats pain, sasuke>>>>>pain, he has rikoudous chakra which would boost his jutsus so they would be more powerful.
sasuke has sages chakra to bypass any gudoudama so his attacks are not getting negated in any way not to mention naruto hasnt even shown to use omyoudon which is what negates ninjutsu
he can use his S/T jutsu to try and catch naruto off guard so its also good for offense. gudodama shield can be cracked by senjutsu or attacks containing rikoudous sage chakra, sasuke has that rikoudous chakra and as a result his chidori became black. he can apply that chakra to his attacks would cut down any gudodama shield sorry rikudous sen chakra allows him bypass any gudodama.
yes you are bias because you are writing of sasuke which is a bit foolish esp when he just flat out said hes gotten used to the abilities of the rinnegan, he has much stronger abilities to showcase and they would all be boosted with rikudous chakra so they are going to much powerful than what weve seen before. rikudous chakra boosted kakashis ms to the point were he could pull out ps in one go, sasuke has half of that chakra and his rinnegan jutsus would be boosted by it so you can imagine how powerful he would look. its not lunacy, its just kishi beginning to show us sasukes full power which would be more than enough to match naruto.
Your catch all arguement seems to be "Sasuke has Rikudo Chakra" well sorry but so does Naruto.
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1. Reserves WILL matter because if Sasuke doesn't blitz defeat Naruto the whole fight shifts towards Naruto because of his superior reserves and endurance.
2. No you forgetting that Naruto currently is far stronger than he was as Kyuubi Naruto ergo the principle holds up under scaling.
3. Err no. We have never seen him bypass Gudōdama on his own. Gudōdama is omyoudon read this:
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same stuff sorry. Its a combination of all 5 releases they aren't floating tailed beast bombs.
4. Erm yes but we have never seen Sasuke pierce a Gudōdama shield on his own. Right now he doesn't have senjutsu he does have the Rikudo Yin chakra however, that means he has the Rinnegan, not the Body of the Six paths which is the Six paths Senjutsu. There is no senjutsu of the eyes. Sorry. That means Sasuke can't defeat Naruto's Gudōdama defense though using the Yin chakra of the Sage against him. If Sasuke had Gudōdama himself then it would be a different story.
5. Gotten used to the Rinnegan sure but we have seen what the Rinnegan can do. For example Pain showcased the basic abilities, Madara has shown yet more. Somehow I'm doubting Sasuke will pull out more techniques considering he only has one Rinnegan. Your the one assuming that he has more abilities to pull out. That may be but I'm not expecting anything more than has already been shown by two other Rinnegan users.
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What manga have you been reading? All I have seen is Sasuke being more or less useless for the entire Kaguya battle. Sure he was attacking but he was failing so badly it made me wince. I'm not Bias I'm just calling it how I see it. PS seems to be a liability more than a strength. It means you stand still to take the hit rather than dodging. And doing that with Naruto is a total joke. Do you want a continent buster to the face?
I'm not going to argue rabidly that Naruto is stronger simply because I don't need to, its self evident to everyone. That's why I'm confused as to what Sasuke's game is. I don't see him wining. If I was a bookie I would be putting far odds on Sasuke.
If Kishi tries to make out that they are equal it will just more or less ignore everything that has been established in his latest Arc....
Don't get me wrong I WANT them to be equal it would make for a better battle but as is I just don't see it.
From what I can see Sasuke has and always will be a skill type ninja.
His skills and precision have and always will be superior to Naruto's. However that does not mean his raw power in anyway matches Naruto's raw destructive output.
Naruto is the kind of character to just keep.....going annd going annnd going. Sasuke while an extremely powerful ninja with deep reserves can be said to be laughable in comparison when talking about pure chakra reserves. Naruto makes him look like an ant by comparison.
If Sasuke doesn't blitz defeat Naruto within the first few minutes he will NEVER win. If he gives Naruto time to adapt to his techniques its over for him.
Naruto by comparison seems to have little to fear from Sasuke. His PS his Rinnegan techs, he has seen it all before. While powerful yes its not anything he doesn't understand. Sasuke's speed technique is the only thing that Naruto hasn't properly grasped. Hence is the only threat I can really ascertain to Naruto at the moment.
If I was Sasuke going up against Naruto at this moment in time I would be thinking, "Man I'm dumb why don't I just stab him in the back without fighting him". I mean because that WOULD be the best way to complete his revolution wouldn't it? Make Naruto believe he had a true change of heart instead of a head on confrontation.
As is honestly this seems like the dumbest thing Sasuke has EVER done. Unless Sasuke can fart continent busters like Naruto can then I don't understand where he is going with this madness.
Not just Naruto's almost unlimited chakra reserves but Naruto now has perfect control of His chakra and can heal Himself or others with the slittiest of touch. Putting Sasuke at a disadvantage with every injury Sasuke takes.
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yes because that chakra would boost his tech which is same for naruto.
In order of your responses:
1. Reserves WILL matter because if Sasuke doesn't blitz defeat Naruto the whole fight shifts towards Naruto because of his superior reserves and endurance.
thats in the long run, the way you were talking its as if sasuke wouldnt even be able to last which is wrong because he has enough reserves to push naruto same way madara had inferioir reserves to hashirama overall but pushed him to use it all up in the end so in a way it doesnt matter because by the time sasuke is running empty by that time naruto should also be near reaching his own limits
2. No you forgetting that Naruto currently is far stronger than he was as Kyuubi Naruto ergo the principle holds up under scaling.
true howerver tomoed rinnegan is more advanced that the normal one so the way sasuke would be using his techniques might differ, afterall he used the bijjus as the core for his Ct something nagato never showed to do, sasuke is on another lv to previous rinnegan users like nagato/pain.
3. Err no. We have never seen him bypass Gudōdama on his own. Gudōdama is omyoudon read this:
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same stuff sorry. Its a combination of all 5 releases they aren't floating tailed beast bombs.
just because we havent seen him bypass it doesnt mean he cant, that logic is terribly flawed as he never came up against it since he got the sages boost. attacks containing senjutsu can damage the shield fact, sasuke has rikudous sen-chakra which he used on his chidori hence it became black
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and he was able to damage madara with it and only attacks containing senjutsu can work on him. so therefore his attacks containing that sen-chakra would bypass any gudoudama as it contains senjutsu in it so yh sasuke cuts down any gudoudama orb. and you are wrong in that last part, godoudama is the black balls while omyoudon is applying yin-yang release to them and using it to negate nin jutsu, the balls alone dont negate, naruto hasnt shown to use omyoudon like obito did but am sure he can, just saying he hasnt shown it.
4. Erm yes but we have never seen Sasuke pierce a Gudōdama shield on his own. Right now he doesn't have senjutsu he does have the Rikudo Yin chakra however, that means he has the Rinnegan, not the Body of the Six paths which is the Six paths Senjutsu. There is no senjutsu of the eyes. Sorry. That means Sasuke can't defeat Naruto's Gudōdama defense though using the Yin chakra of the Sage against him. If Sasuke had Gudōdama himself then it would be a different story.
once again flawed logic, he hasnt pierced a shield on his own because he hasnt come up against one while since obtaining rikudous power, previously he used jugo because he didnt have senjutsu nor did his attacks contain senjutsu, now he does so he get through any godoudama. manga disagrees
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due to possessing rikudous sage chakra. gudoudamas shields can be cracked by attacks containing senjutsu, sasuke can utilitze that in his attacks so he would get through them. dont mistake six paths senjutsu from six paths chakra, sasuke doesnt have six paths senjutsu like naruto but he has six paths chakra which is equally effective against opponents or jutsus that only senjutsu can bypass so sorry gudoudama is not doing anything here.
5. Gotten used to the Rinnegan sure but we have seen what the Rinnegan can do. For example Pain showcased the basic abilities, Madara has shown yet more. Somehow I'm doubting Sasuke will pull out more techniques considering he only has one Rinnegan. Your the one assuming that he has more abilities to pull out. That may be but I'm not expecting anything more than has already been shown by two other Rinnegan users.
once again sasuke is not pain, he is far stronger so his jutsu would be much stronger also, he has the tomoed rinnegan boosted with rikudous chakra which no other previous user showed except madara but we didnt get to see him go all out as he was trolled, sasuke can acsess the rinnegans full power, that is a huge difference. tomoed rinnegan is different form the normal one which needs both eyes to acess their full power, tomoed rinnegan only comes in one as seen with the juubi and kaguya so sasuek wont need another one to show its full power, the fact that he can use CT with just one eye wereas madara needed to get his 2nd rinnegan to use it should debunk any nonsense of sasuke needing another eye to use more techniques. so sorry rinnegans(tomoed) full power boosted with rikudous chakra is something we have not fully seen and sasuke would show that so yh he would show more.
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What manga have you been reading? All I have seen is Sasuke being more or less useless for the entire Kaguya battle. Sure he was attacking but he was failing so badly it made me wince. I'm not Bias I'm just calling it how I see it. PS seems to be a liability more than a strength. It means you stand still to take the hit rather than dodging. And doing that with Naruto is a total joke. Do you want a continent buster to the face?
he wasnt fully used to his eye which is why he wasnt much effective against kaguya, he is much stronger now as hes gotten familiar with his new abilities, current sasuke>>kaguya battle sasuke so your first part is irrelevant. he doesnt just have ps but rinnegan full abilties on top of that.
I'm not going to argue rabidly that Naruto is stronger simply because I don't need to, its self evident to everyone. That's why I'm confused as to what Sasuke's game is. I don't see him wining. If I was a bookie I would be putting far odds on Sasuke.
even if naruto is stronger, its gonna be by much when sasuke has fully adjusted to his eye, judging sasuke from the kaguya battle to compare him to current is foolishness as hes just starting to realise his full potential.
If Kishi tries to make out that they are equal it will just more or less ignore everything that has been established in his latest Arc....
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yes because that chakra would boost his tech which is same for naruto.
thats in the long run, the way you were talking its as if sasuke wouldnt even be able to last which is wrong because he has enough reserves to push naruto same way madara had inferioir reserves to hashirama overall but pushed him to use it all up in the end so in a way it doesnt matter because by the time sasuke is running empty by that time naruto should also be near reaching his own limits
true howerver tomoed rinnegan is more advanced that the normal one so the way sasuke would be using his techniques might differ, afterall he used the bijjus as the core for his Ct something nagato never showed to do, sasuke is on another lv to previous rinnegan users like nagato/pain.
just because we havent seen him bypass it doesnt mean he cant, that logic is terribly flawed as he never came up against it since he got the sages boost. attacks containing senjutsu can damage the shield fact, sasuke has rikudous sen-chakra which he used on his chidori hence it became black
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and he was able to damage madara with it and only attacks containing senjutsu can work on him. so therefore his attacks containing that sen-chakra would bypass any gudoudama as it contains senjutsu in it so yh sasuke cuts down any gudoudama orb. and you are wrong in that last part, godoudama is the black balls while omyoudon is applying yin-yang release to them and using it to negate nin jutsu, the balls alone dont negate, naruto hasnt shown to use omyoudon like obito did but am sure he can, just saying he hasnt shown it.
once again flawed logic, he hasnt pierced a shield on his own because he hasnt come up against one while since obtaining rikudous power, previously he used jugo because he didnt have senjutsu nor did his attacks contain senjutsu, now he does so he get through any godoudama. manga disagrees
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due to possessing rikudous sage chakra. gudoudamas shields can be cracked by attacks containing senjutsu, sasuke can utilitze that in his attacks so he would get through them. dont mistake six paths senjutsu from six paths chakra, sasuke doesnt have six paths senjutsu like naruto but he has six paths chakra which is equally effective against opponents or jutsus that only senjutsu can bypass so sorry gudoudama is not doing anything here.
once again sasuke is not pain, he is far stronger so his jutsu would be much stronger also, he has the tomoed rinnegan boosted with rikudous chakra which no other previous user showed except madara but we didnt get to see him go all out as he was trolled, sasuke can acsess the rinnegans full power, that is a huge difference. tomoed rinnegan is different form the normal one which needs both eyes to acess their full power, tomoed rinnegan only comes in one as seen with the juubi and kaguya so sasuek wont need another one to show its full power, the fact that he can use CT with just one eye wereas madara needed to get his 2nd rinnegan to use it should debunk any nonsense of sasuke needing another eye to use more techniques. so sorry rinnegans(tomoed) full power boosted with rikudous chakra is something we have not fully seen and sasuke would show that so yh he would show more.
he wasnt fully used to his eye which is why he wasnt much effective against kaguya, he is much stronger now as hes gotten familiar with his new abilities, current sasuke>>kaguya battle sasuke so your first part is irrelevant. he doesnt just have ps but rinnegan full abilties on top of that.
even if naruto is stronger, its gonna be by much when sasuke has fully adjusted to his eye, judging sasuke from the kaguya battle to compare him to current is foolishness as hes just starting to realise his full potential.
no, sasuke has simply developed and uped his game, he is much stronger now than he was against kaguya, i dont see how thats so hard to understand
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by tomorrow we shall see more from sasuke, i guarantee that.
1. Which means it just comes down to technique doesn't it, if the boosts cancel then the technique is the main point to consider no? Then my question is what technique in Sasuke's arsenal can match and defeat the Gudōdama?
2. Of course its in the long run thats my point exactly, kishi MUST string out this battle if he ends it in a few panels fans would be up in arms. That means by necessity Kishi must lengthen the battle. This also means by logic Sasuke will not be in a favorable position to defeat Naruto due to my a fore mentioned reasons.
3. True he is on another level but as I said the power gain is similar with regards to scaling the power levels. Ergo that means NAruto will likely be able to counter his techniques much like he did Nagato's. However Sasuke again only has ONE Rinnegan this must be hampering. Honestly his power up seems kind of half arsed. I would have preferred it if Sasuke had two sharRinnegans it would make his power levels more certain.
4. Sigh Sasuke does not have senjutsu how many times do I have to say it. He has the Rikudo Yin chakra which grants him the Rinnegan or eye of the sage. Naruto has Senjutsu not Sasuke. That's why his chidori is black not because its senjutsu. Naruto has the body of the sage, or Six paths senjutsu. That the whole point. This means without Juugo's help Sasuke can't match the senjutsu content added to the Gudōdama that Naruto creates. Only by using both the Yin chakra of the sage AND senjutsu could Sasuke pierce a Gudōdama.
5. Again you keep saying Sasuke has senjutsu...please tell me where his sage markings are =_=. Fact is Sasuke and the yin CHAKRA of the Rikudo not his senjutsu. Err no Kakashi's Raikiri was black because he was using a shape changed version of Kamui. Basically he was cutting Kaguya using space-time so yeah it was awesome. But that wasn't the Yin chakra of the Rikudo at all. Yes he recieved a boost from Obito's six paths chakra but it wasn't on the same scale at all and they are using different techniques. Kamui warps space time, creating a real effect where as Chidori is a chakra manifestation technique both are quite different in nature.
6. Quite possible, True Sasuke's Rinnegan is likely more advanced in one eye than a lone Rinnegan of Madara's. Still I won't believe he is capable of some of Prime Madara's feats unless he actually shows them. Doing CT 9 times isn't enough to make me gasp. Madz did it way more then that on a far larger scale.
7. Yeah not fully used to it? Is that an excuse? Naruto "wasn't fully used to it" yet he still gave a way better showing.
8. That's optimistic your saying we should disregard everything we have seen from Sasuke. You can't disregarding techniques. No matter their power its not going to be enough. Sasuke can't match Naruto in raw power its a simple fact. Sasuke has always had better techniques more precision based fighting style. But as I have previously stated that can only take you so far before someone shoves a continent buster up your backside.
9. Compared to Madara? Compared to Kaguya? I don't think so somehow. Naruto basically fought Kaguya on his own. Could Sasuke have done so? There is your answer.
10. Yes we will I am interested to see how natural it is. Because forcing this battle to be subject to the plot is going to be a bad move if kishi wants this to be cool. Unless he has buffed Sasuke up to a new level by some unknown means.
Which I doubt he could brush it off as being "used" to the Rinnegan now. Thats just Kishi speak for "I got the balancing wrong @_@" He will have to make apparent why Sasuke is suddenly more powerful than he was compared to when they faced Kaguya. Unless he says "Oh he was holding back" then you will get lots of people saying "Ass pull alert" lol.
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Here's a question it seems like Kishi came up with the Rinnegan first before the Six Paths Senjutsu or Juubi's body. Do you think he intended for the difference in power between the two techniques to be soo....obvious?
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1. Which means it just comes down to technique doesn't it, if the boosts cancel then the technique is the main point to consider no? Then my question is what technique in Sasuke's arsenal can match and defeat the Gudōdama?
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ive stated it already, his attacks can be fused with sages chakra which would enable him to bypass any gudoudama as only attacks from senjutsu can crack it, sasukes has rikudous sen-chakra which is his own form of senjutsu.
2. Of course its in the long run thats my point exactly, kishi MUST string out this battle if he ends it in a few panels fans would be up in arms. That means by necessity Kishi must lengthen the battle. This also means by logic Sasuke will not be in a favorable position to defeat Naruto due to my a fore mentioned reasons.
do you expect sasuke to defeat naruto??of course not as this is narutos manga but naruto would prolly win nothing such of high dif which means sasuke would push him to his limits, thats all that needs to be said.
3. True he is on another level but as I said the power gain is similar with regards to scaling the power levels. Ergo that means NAruto will likely be able to counter his techniques much like he did Nagato's. However Sasuke again only has ONE Rinnegan this must be hampering. Honestly his power up seems kind of half arsed. I would have preferred it if Sasuke had two sharRinnegans it would make his power levels more certain.
until we see the techniques that sasuke displays and the manner in which he displayed them then we simply cant judge, like i said it would most likely be used in a different sense than what nagato displayed or sasuke can use one and use his s/t to get behind naruto to use another, he can also combine that with ps, so many ways sasuke can trouble naruto if he wants to. having one rinnegan is irrelevant like i said before due to sasuke being able to access the rinnegans full power with his one, tomoed rinnegan only comes in one, it is different from the normal rinnegan which require both to utlize the rinnegans power to the fullest.
4. Sigh Sasuke does not have senjutsu how many times do I have to say it. He has the Rikudo Yin chakra which grants him the Rinnegan or eye of the sage. Naruto has Senjutsu not Sasuke. That's why his chidori is black not because its senjutsu. Naruto has the body of the sage, or Six paths senjutsu. That the whole point. This means without Juugo's help Sasuke can't match the senjutsu content added to the Gudōdama that Naruto creates. Only by using both the Yin chakra of the sage AND senjutsu could Sasuke pierce a Gudōdama.
so you didnt see the scan?? he doesnt have six paths senjutsu but he has six paths chakra which works similarly, jeez read the manga. he tells naruto to use an attack containing sages chakra(i.e a jutsu that has senjutsu in it) then he blatantly says he would use the six paths chakra too, in order words hes gonna do what he asked naruto to do, which is use an attack which contains a form of senjutsu and he did with his chidori. urrm no it was black because of the sages chakra not yin, kakashi doesnt have yin yet his raikiri was black which was as a result of him possessing rikudous chakra and he was able to slice through kaguyas arm. read the scans well, and stop making the distinction of sasuke having yin and naruto having senjutsu because am well aware of that, sasuke obtained rikudous sen-chakra which is different from his senjutsu, its not so hard to understand. the last time his chidori was black was in part 1 in his cm2 state and we already know that cm and senjutsu have the same principle. he doesnt need juugos help, his 6 paths chakra enabled his attack to connect with madaras
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can hurt them which is the same thing with gudoudamas which can be cracked by attacks that has senjutsu in it.
5. Again you keep saying Sasuke has senjutsu...please tell me where his sage markings are =_=. Fact is Sasuke and the yin CHAKRA of the Rikudo not his senjutsu. Err no Kakashi's Raikiri was black because he was using a shape changed version of Kamui. Basically he was cutting Kaguya using space-time so yeah it was awesome. But that wasn't the Yin chakra of the Rikudo at all. Yes he recieved a boost from Obito's six paths chakra but it wasn't on the same scale at all and they are using different techniques. Kamui warps space time, creating a real effect where as Chidori is a chakra manifestation technique both are quite different in nature.
six paths senjutsu is not the same has six paths chakra but they are equally effective, sasuke has the latter not the former, to deny this is to deny manga. no he formed the raikiri before he utilized it with kamui so you are wrong, it was black because of rikudous sen-chakra fact, its the same with sasukes black chidori. what are you talking about?? kamui has nothing to do with his raikiri, he formed it before using kamui, its just a senjutsu version of raikiri due to him possessing rikudous chakra.
6. Quite possible, True Sasuke's Rinnegan is likely more advanced in one eye than a lone Rinnegan of Madara's. Still I won't believe he is capable of some of Prime Madara's feats unless he actually shows them. Doing CT 9 times isn't enough to make me gasp. Madz did it way more then that on a far larger scale.
while you dont beleieve so, i do believe he can. and am talking of other techs apart from ct, he used the targets themselves as the ct core, thats even much better than just having to create a core. yes madaras scale would be larger obv as hes juubi jin but sasuke can make his own larger if he wishes to, he just needed to contain the bijjuss and thats what he did, he didnt need to make them bigger.
7. Yeah not fully used to it? Is that an excuse? Naruto "wasn't fully used to it" yet he still gave a way better showing.
thats naruto, am talking about sasuke. sasuke doesnt have 9 beasts inside of him to help him form jutsus, his main source of power resides in his eyes and if hes not using that eye to his full potential then its a sort of handicap for him. all this still wont change the fact that current sasuke>>kaguya battle sasuke.
8. That's optimistic your saying we should disregard everything we have seen from Sasuke. You can't disregarding techniques. No matter their power its not going to be enough. Sasuke can't match Naruto in raw power its a simple fact. Sasuke has always had better techniques more precision based fighting style. But as I have previously stated that can only take you so far before someone shoves a continent buster up your backside.
i never said disregard his techniques before but its common sense that if one manages to get fully used to his new abilities then that person would become stronger than he were previously because not only does he posses what he had before but he now has news ones untop. he doesnt have to match naruto in raw power, he can simply counter narutos techniques and then counter with his own, he has a s/t jutsu which he can utilize to land an attack, he has rinnegan with he can use in conjunction with that, different possibilities.
9. Compared to Madara? Compared to Kaguya? I don't think so somehow. Naruto basically fought Kaguya on his own. Could Sasuke have done so? There is your answer.
dont exagerrate, sasuke got him out of her ice jutsu, and without him, kakashi and sakura naruto wouldnt have defeated her but yes he was holding his own a bit. and like i said before current sasuke>>kaguya battle sasuke. naruto is not kaguya, she is stronger than him overall so sasuke not doing much against her doesnt automically mean it would be the same with naruto especially when kaguya is stronger than naruto and sasuke is stronger than he was before, add the 2 together.
10. Yes we will I am interested to see how natural it is. Because forcing this battle to be subject to the plot is going to be a bad move if kishi wants this to be cool. Unless he has buffed Sasuke up to a new level by some unknown means.
sasuke has simply gotten stronger, theres a reason kishi gave him an advanced rinnegan, hes about to reveal its true potential., so i dont think plot would play much part.
Which I doubt he could brush it off as being "used" to the Rinnegan now. Thats just Kishi speak for "I got the balancing wrong @_@" He will have to make apparent why Sasuke is suddenly more powerful than he was compared to when they faced Kaguya. Unless he says "Oh he was holding back" then you will get lots of people saying "Ass pull alert" lol.
bold. hes already done that, sasuke saying hes gotten familiar with the rinnegans abilities in order words he has new stronger abilities in his possession, abilities he didnt use in the kaguya battle due to not fully getting accustommed to his eye. its always been like that for sasuke, upon getting a new eye, he doesnt just suddenly pull out the big guns at first try no he usually develops it till hes gotten used to his eye and then he brings out his full power. it was like that for ms sasuke, he used just ribcage at the summit but against danzo he began upgrading his soosano till he unlocked the full one against kakashi, sasukes power possession is gradual, he has to get used to his eye. Ems it was like that, he didnt just pull out ps in one go no, he developed his v3 and gave it legs then he used ps upon going full power against juubito, just like his rinnegan, hes gotten used to it and now hes about to go full power so hes indeed stronger now than he was before which is obv seeing how he restrained 9 entities at once with just a simple glance, even the sage acknowledged that. then he sucessfully trapped them in ct using them as the core themselves, something we havent seen before except when their six path seals sealed kaguya.
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Here's a question it seems like Kishi came up with the Rinnegan first before the Six Paths Senjutsu or Juubi's body. Do you think he intended for the difference in power between the two techniques to be soo....obvious?
what makes you thin the six paths senjutsu is so much stronger than the rinnegan? we havent seen much of the rinnegans full power when its being boosted by rikudous chakra.