Prime Hiruzen vs Hashirama

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Wrong. Madara had Intel on Minato:

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He knew how powerful he was, and was weary of him. This clearly proves Madara kept tabs on the leaf, Madara would also have intel on Prime Hiruzen, yet Madara still called Hashirama the ultimate shinobi.
This doesnt prove Madara knew about Hiruzen's (or minato and tsunade) abilities. Look at your own scan:

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Madara clearly planned it out upon meeting obito and ONLY planned it so that Obito could awaken his Mangekyo Sharingan. He made sure Minato wasnt there so he couldn't interfere and save the day. Madara was not afraid of Minato he just want to make sure his plan ran smoothly.

The only intel that Madara states that he gathered was Minato's location, so that he could not interfere, of course zetsu gave him the name of obito's sensei. Even if zetsu suggested that he had space-time abilities like Tobirama, this was still only intel gathering for this specific situation to play out correctly as madara states. He would have no reason to know of or get intel on Hiruzen or the others since they had nothing to do with his plan of activating IT, which is once again proven as Madara has no idea who tsunade is and that she is releated to Hashirama.

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You can clearly see here that he only addresses her as a female medic, because he doesnt know of her legendary status as one of the leaf's most powerful shinobi. And he ASK her if she is related to Hashirama, most likely because she stated that her GRANDFATHER was on his chest. If Madara was knowledgable about the leaf village, then he would have known this information. Especially, the heir of his rival/best friend, yet he didnt because it had nothing to do with his plan. Much like he doesnt know of hiruzen's true strength because it has nothing to do with his plan.
 
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This doesnt prove Madara knew about Hiruzen's (or minato and tsunade) abilities. Look at your own scan:

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Madara clearly planned it out upon meeting obito and ONLY planned it so that Obito could awaken his Mangekyo Sharingan. He made sure Minato wasnt there so he couldn't interfere and save the day. Madara was not afraid of Minato he just want to make sure his plan ran smoothly.

The only intel that Madara states that he gathered was Minato's location, so that he could not interfere, of course zetsu gave him the name of obito's sensei. Even if zetsu suggested that he had space-time abilities like Tobirama, this was still only intel gathering for this specific situation to play out correctly as madara states. He would have no reason to know of or get intel on Hiruzen or the others since they had nothing to do with his plan of activating IT, which is once again proven as Madara has no idea who tsunade is and that she is releated to Hashirama.

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You can clearly see here that he only addresses her as a female medic, because he doesnt know of her legendary status as one of the leaf's most powerful shinobi. And he ASK her if she is related to Hashirama, most likely because she stated that her GRANDFATHER was on his chest. If Madara was knowledgable about the leaf village, then he would have known this information. Especially, the heir of his rival/best friend, yet he didnt because it had nothing to do with his plan. Much like he doesnt know of hiruzen's true strength because it has nothing to do with his plan.
You're also ignoring the fact that at the time Madara was keeping tabs on Minato/the leaf Hiruzen was in his early 50's, the same age as the Sanin in beginning Part 1, yet Madara wasn't even concerned with him.
 

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Hiruzen doesn't even begin to compare to Hashirama.

Old Hiruzen, Edo Hiruzen, Primeficiton Hiruzen, Rikudo Chakra Hiruzen. . .it doesn't really matter when you compare a fly to a giant.
 

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maybe because he defeated Hashirama with a clone before, or because he destroyed the Tree's wood, and
Hashirama is a weaker wood, so he get smashed. hmm

but who knows! U_U
Lol, a weak Hashirama being controlled. The real thing manhandled Kurama, and nullified it. Minato got killed doing that xD
 

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Yup, Hiruzen managed to seal Hashirama's weakened zombie at the cost of his life. God of Shinobi right there. :rolleyes:
Well, Hiruzen was weakened as well, and his clone even more. + don't forget that he soloed Tobirama along side him. U_U

Lol, a weak Hashirama being controlled. The real thing manhandled Kurama, and nullified it. Minato got killed doing that xD
Doesn't change that a bunch of fodders killed Hashirama in the first war. U_U
 
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Databook 1 - Shodai Hokage/Senju Hashirama:
Shodai Hokage (初代火影, Founding Fire Shadow)
Konoha, Hokage

Is the world at war, no matter what age...?

The founder of what became the great "Konohagakure no Sato"

Going back about 60 years from now... A shinobi with excelling power collected a great number of shinobi and established a new village. This shinobi was the Shodai Hokage. The founder of Konohagakure no Sato. However, this was a time when the world was at war. At the same time the village began to flourish, he lost his life.

[picture of the Shodai Hokage performing Wood Release Secret Technique: Birth of a World of Trees]
↑"Birth of a World of Trees," the art of calling forth trees and plants, was the Shodai's characteristic ninjutsu.

*Wood Release Secret Technique: Birth of a World of Trees (木遁秘術・樹界降誕, Mokuton Hijutsu: Jukai Koutan).

U_U
 
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Databook 1 - Shodai Hokage/Senju Hashirama:
Shodai Hokage (初代火影, Founding Fire Shadow)
Konoha, Hokage

Is the world at war, no matter what age...?

The founder of what became the great "Konohagakure no Sato"

Going back about 60 years from now... A shinobi with excelling power collected a great number of shinobi and established a new village. This shinobi was the Shodai Hokage. The founder of Konohagakure no Sato. However, this was a time when the world was at war. At the same time the village began to flourish, he lost his life.

[picture of the Shodai Hokage performing Wood Release Secret Technique: Birth of a World of Trees]
↑"Birth of a World of Trees," the art of calling forth trees and plants, was the Shodai's characteristic ninjutsu.

*Wood Release Secret Technique: Birth of a World of Trees (木遁秘術・樹界降誕, Mokuton Hijutsu: Jukai Koutan).

U_U
Where is the proof he was solo'd by fodders?
 

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You're also ignoring the fact that at the time Madara was keeping tabs on Minato/the leaf Hiruzen was in his early 50's, the same age as the Sanin in beginning Part 1, yet Madara wasn't even concerned with him.
Hiruzen wasnt Obito's sensei, nor was he leaving the village to go on missions at the time. The only reason Minato was a conern was so that he wouldnt interfere in the awakening of Obito's MS. The Sannin were in their prime at that time, yet madara didnt know who they were. The only person he was concerned with with the people in Obito's life, which were kakashi, Rin, and Minato.

Where is the proof he was solo'd by fodders?
Hahaha, in the face of Hashirama, who isnt a fodder.lol Isnt that what hashirama supporters say.. I guess even a God of Shinobi cant survive a war.
 
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