[Discussion] What the hell are angels according to the bible??!!

Joey The Fool

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Yayy another religious thread. We so needed it :happy: (sarcasm)
Angels don't really have anything to do with Religion and there's nothing wrong with discussing things like this as long as we keep it civil, also if you don't like discussing such things then why did you even comment on this tread? shouldn't you be doing something else instead like playing a Megami Tensei Game?
 

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They're spiritual entities who act as God's messengers and are above the earthly realm, however below the Holy Trinity (God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit) in status. They were created prior to the Earth being formed by God. When we die, people like to say that we become angels because our spirits are believed to rise and go to Heaven if we accept the Lord as our Savior. Yes, we are believed to become spirits as well and go to Heaven, but we weren't born as heavenly creatures since birth like an actual angel is. People just misuse the word, hence why you are confused. U_U

Don't think too much on it. The verse in your OP answers the question well-enough, anyway.
so when we die we become Spirits not Angels huh? by the way we Humans are greater then the Angels right?
 

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They're spiritual entities who act as God's messengers and are above the earthly realm, however below the Holy Trinity (God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit) in status. They were created prior to the Earth being formed by God. When we die, people like to say that we become angels because our spirits are believed to rise and go to Heaven if we accept the Lord as our Savior. Yes, we are believed to become spirits as well and go to Heaven, but we weren't born as heavenly creatures since birth like an actual angel is. People just misuse the word, hence why you are confused. U_U

Don't think too much on it. The verse in your OP answers the question well-enough, anyway.

But no angel is perfect they are just humans that can't take form unless grant the ability by god himself.
 

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But no angel is perfect they are just humans that can't take form unless grant the ability by god himself.
you're wrong, Angels aren't Humans... they are different from us Humans and there's also the Fact that Angels were created before Humans were created.
 

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Angels don't really have anything to do with Religion
Really? Interesting view.


and there's nothing wrong with discussing things like this as long as we keep it civil, also if you don't like discussing such things then why did you even comment on this tread?
Coz I felt like. If you don't like it, report to the mods Lol

shouldn't you be doing something else instead like playing a Megami Tensei Game?
Dunno what's that. I'm watching a religious video on youtube, anyway.

And don't doublepost, m8.
 

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Really? Interesting view.



Coz I felt like. If you don't like it, report to the mods Lol


Dunno what's that. I'm watching a religious video on youtube, anyway.

And don't doublepost, m8.
i don't see any reason to report you to the Mods because you didn't do anything wrong and all i did was ask you why you commented on this tread if you don't really like these kind of treads, also it when it comes to things like God and Lucifer they don't really have anything to do with Religion and i do have my reasons for saying this, the Megami Tensei Series is an Amazing RPG Series and it's very interesting too and i suggest going to the Megami Tensei Wiki if you want to learn more about it, also there's nothing wrong with double posting i've been doing it for a very long time.
 

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i don't see any reason to report you to the Mods because you didn't do anything wrong and all i did was ask you why you commented on this tread if you don't really like these kind of treads, also it when it comes to things like God and Lucifer they don't really have anything to do with Religion and i do have my reasons for saying this, the Megami Tensei Series is an Amazing RPG Series and it's very interesting too and i suggest going to the Megami Tensei Wiki if you want to learn more about it, also there's nothing wrong with double posting i've been doing it for a very long time.

He's just wasting space, just ignore posts like that.
 

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He's just wasting space, just ignore posts like that.
well ok if you say so, also what's up with the "your arms are just too short to box with God" line? i remember someone on GameFAQs having that same line in their sig.
 

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Physical and Spirituality

Light and Darkness

Good and Evil

Senju and Uchiha

Angels and Demons

Ashura and Indra

The list continue ... and the war between them has no end .

I gave you the idea .... but about becoming an Angel or Demon or God or Animal or whatever after your death .... is

Something different from one religion to another .... each one has its own belief system .
 

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there are 3 different Incarnations of God and they are God The Father aka YHVH, God The Son aka Jesus and God The Holy Spirit, all 3 of them are God.

yup. and the "how is that possible? how can God be His own son?" arguement is negated, cos, GOD
 

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The angels are a class of celestial being created by God before the universe and they assisted in making and maintaining it. The word angel comes from the greek word angelos(=messengers),which is a translation of the Hebrew word Malakh, which means messenger or worker. Technically "malakh" is a job description. They're "race"(so to speak) are the elohim(Godly beings) or the ben'e Elohim(Sons of God). In the Bible they serve various functions: acting as emissaries between God and man, guardians of nations and specific people(even evil ones), and act as accusers/destroyers or defenders of mankind. They serve various functions and can be either good or evil to man.
yup. and the "how is that possible? how can God be His own son?" arguement is negated, cos, GOD
Well not all Christians believe in the trinity(myself included), most do for whatever the reason.
 
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Easy question, inhabitants of heaven, messengers of god's good.
Those of powerful good basically.
Satan is a fallen so he's excluded, btw Tl;Dr.
 

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"Angels are an entirely separate type of creature from humans. People do not become angels after death, and angels do not become humans. They are different from us as we are from the animals. Angels are intelligent beings."
-Matthew 8:29;2 Corinthains 11:3)

What the hell are Angels then?!

You have to read this within the context of human history to understand.

Many of the world's ancient stories and artwork tell of gods who dwell in and traverse the sky. They command weapons and instruments that can govern nature, itself.

You also have to read the Bible not as a "religion" per se... but as a story of something far, far more importance.







Interpretations run amok - because you are looking at pre-human history as recorded by humans following countless centuries of oral tradition.

" -+ Quick Notes concerning the war of the angels as noted in other religions. -+

In the Kena Upanishad, you will find that the Divine Mother shed wisdom on Indra and the gods and said that the gods were able to defeat the demons only with the help of the power of the Supreme Lord.

There is mention of a similiar being in Hindu literature by the name of Nahusa who was a being of great power who was Lord of the Earth but wanted to become the Lord of Heaven but fell from grace and was sent back to earth in the form of a snake*. "


When you look at many of the earliest religions, you can see many common themes amongst them - particularly those stemming from the regions near Sumeria.

Isaiah 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! 13 You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. [3] 14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High."

Revelation 12 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Revelations is a fascinating read - but atypical in that it is not arranged chronologically, but thematically. Events, as described, are not necessarily happening in sequence - but may be describing overall concepts that span pre-history into the future.

Here, it is speaking of the Dragon - or Lucifer. The stars in the sky are a metaphor for angels in heaven - just as the woman is the metaphor for Israel and the man-child a metaphor for Christ. You can see what I mean by things being arranged thematically as opposed to chronologically. This passage spans pre-history to a time that I can only interpret as having yet to come - yet is embedded within many other passages about different scenes.



I view much of this through a lens of science and technology.

I suspect angels are beings that predate humanity - likely highly advanced by our standards in terms of technology.

Lucifer, perhaps, represents a specific race or perhaps an individual/collective entity that was among the most knowledgeable of the universe. God, even to the angels, is something of a mystical concept in and of itself - it is a sort of 'last question' of existence that all highly advanced beings understand exists yet are no closer to answering.

Lucifer pulled a Sasuke. He came to the conclusion that he could create a better world than the one God had created and that he was more deserving of the title of God. The ways of the universe be damned.

Perhaps this coincided with the discovery of humans - some revelation that occurred to him that made us particularly unique. This would explain the ancient descriptions of wars in the sky as a sort of alien battle over who would have 'say' in what happened to us.

Though that is a largely geocentric viewpoint that should be cautioned against.

The 'temptation in the garden' is where everything changes. While many people seem to think it was a 'bad' thing - I am leaning on the idea that we are a catch-22.

The fruit from the 'tree of life' is knowledge - the domain of Lucifer. We are also created in God's image - something not said of the angels.

We have a perspective that Lucifer could never have - and we to replace him in the role that he originally filled as the guardians of God's sanctity. In other words - we are to inherit both God's being and God's knowledge - allowing us to justly use the authority that was originally given to Lucifer and to finally bring order amongst the angels.

Of course - that's how I interpret the scriptural meaning.

I'm not so sure about the prophecy of peace - but the prophecy of the duty, I can believe. If that makes any sense.

Probably lost a few people way back there... but I've been reading scripture for quite some time and dabbling in the areas the preachers never touch since a kid. So I have always been an oddball amongst the frozen chosen.
 

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"Angels are an entirely separate type of creature from humans. People do not become angels after death, and angels do not become humans. They are different from us as we are from the animals. Angels are intelligent beings."
-Matthew 8:29;2 Corinthains 11:3)

What the hell are Angels then?!

angels are angels, just like sheep are sheep and humans are humans, they are something else, how hard is that to grasp?
 

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Probably lost a few people way back there... but I've been reading scripture for quite some time and dabbling in the areas the preachers never touch since a kid. So I have always been an oddball amongst the frozen chosen.
I disagree on certain aspects but I always enjoy hearing someone think outside the box of stagnant mainstream theology. The main problem is that most people read the the Bible as either a literal history or a religious legal textbook and thus miss a lot of the subtle meanings in the text. Although one thing I always have to nitpick is that "Lucifer"(Hebrew: Helel) is title that means "shining one" and referenced the morning star, not a name. "Lucifer" never existed as a word until the latin translations of the Bible around the 3rd century. Historically, the Isaiah passage was a mocking reference to King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. Jesus is also called the morning star.

However, if you read some apocryphal texts during the second temple period and later rabbinic literature, you find an evil angel called Samael(mean:Venom of God). He's normally associated with the serpent of eden, the angel of death, the patron of the Roman empire; and given a slew of other titles like accuser(Satan), deceiver, destroyer, Belial(lawlessness), and Melchira(King of Wickedness).

You point out an interesting thing about the Garden of Eden that I think you may find more interesting from the original Jewish perspective. "Original sin" is a foreign idea that started as theory by St. Augustine long after the early days of christainity. The original concept was that the tree of knowledge of good and evil gave man a new concept called the Yetzer haRa(The evil inclination) in addition to the Yetzer ha Tov(inclination of good), so now man lives in a state of self-struggle between these two inclinations. However, man is not condemned for having the yetzer hara itself, but by how much he lets it influence him.

The angels are an fascinating concept. Most of their names end in -el, implying that they represent some aspect of God itself. There is a passage of the talmud that say Satan, the angel of death, and the yetzer hara are names of the same thing and linked. I feel like that implies the angels are something like divine archetypes of existence, like "faces" of God, something I can't fully explain.
 
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