[Discussion] An interesting point on why the War Saga sucks

[MAN OF SIN]

Found this on Tumblr.

Explain to me please - why the hell are 'good' characters fight against ET? An ideal way of life for mentally damaged, angst ridden Naruto/Sasuke. Just the knowledge that 'aw its not real tho' makes them fight? Because they would turn into Zetsu? They've only just learnt this! There could be a 'you need to earn your own happiness" moral, but as it is there is nothing. And maybe their bodies would dehydrate in days and then everyone would die? It never got addressed?

I can’t explain it because it was never discussed in the manga beyond “wahhh it’s fake though!!!” Seriously Kishi didn’t even try.

The issue of people being turned into Zetsus was a very, very last-minute development. Even the idea of people being bound and hooked up to the tree was quite recent. Barring Madara and possibly Obito, nobody knew that people would be more or less placed under comas and bound to the shinju (I don’t think anyone knew about the Zetsu crap because it was made up 6 weeks ago). As far as others knew? They could just be going about their regular life, but daydreaming the entire time. They could have their entire lives transformed. They could go to sleep forever and their new dream lives would be vivid enough to live. Madara could genuinely alter reality and mold it to their dreams so it would be real.

Mugen Tsukuyomi was never properly explained and for all people knew, Madara could have really made their dreams become reality. And yet, not a single person outside of Obito supported him. That’s…complete bullshit. Realistically, a decent percentage of the human race would have been intrigued by that.

This was always one of the biggest problems with the war as a whole. Very, very few people even knew what they were fighting for. Only the villains had any clue what they were even planning. The Gokage had…a few sentences of knowledge on MT, and Obito spouted some shit that the army heard long after the war had already started, but overall, none of the good guys actually even knew what the villains wanted. It was very poorly handled. The good guys should have known what they were dealing with. They should have asked questions. They should have discussed things. There should have been some rifts formed in the Alliance over it. Some people should have sided with the villains.

It’s really kind of disconcerting that the entire world united against a couple of guys without a single person even knowing why. That’s…pretty weak writing, especially considering how alluring Madara’s offer was.

 

[Nagi]

True big time. Obito could've somehow explained to the whole world before the war and caused chaos inside of each nations. There would've been at least 30 percents of people from each nations who would agree with him about this failed world.

 

[Trúth]

The bolded points are definitely true. I didn't read the rest.

 

[Joon]

The reason for war was soley to capture the remaining Bijuu: Nine-Tails and Eight-Tails, to case Infinite Tsukuyomi. Obito's and Madara's plan was one in the same. It wasn't until Black Zetsu emerge when the confusion started.

Who actually cared about fodder? It was about the main support characters. Obviously, they choose freewill over a dream world.

 

[Angelic.]

they didnt feel like talking. tobi already told the kage what the plan was. the shinobi did almost give up during juubitos tempting. the rest of the world is mindless fodder xD
mads didnt care what peoples opinion was.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Who actually cared about fodder? It was about the main support characters. Obviously, they choose freewill over a dream world.

It would have made the story interesting if there were more supporters. You don't think suicidal people would join them?

 

[Taimaidamshoo]

IT SUCKS CUZ Naruto went from a power level of like 100 to a power level of 10,000 in just 1 DAY

And he fought 10+ of the Naruto Worlds toughest enemies in 1 DAY

SO much plot and development in 1 DAY

ROAR

 

[Nagi]

It would have made the story interesting if there were more supporters. You don't think suicidal people would join them?

The story would be so interesting that naruto's point of view would fail. He would have to start talking logical sense to get people to believe in him. This would be difficult to pull off for kishimoto.

 

[Joon]

It would have made the story interesting if there were more supporters. You don't think suicidal people would join them?

The extra shit we didn't see was covered behind the scenes. Kishimoto should have stretched the War Arc which would have gave better development and a different point of view from each character. I think this is what everyone is suggesting.

 

[SharinganReader]

The bolded points are true to some extent but with or without those the war sage didn't really suck.

 

[HokageKid]

Infinite Tsukiyomi wasn't a guarantee.
The fact of the matter was, a ruthless killer, "claimed" he was going to put the world under a perfect genjutsu of happiness and love etc etc.
but in order to do that, they would have to give him the 9 hosts to the tailed beasts.
Why would anyone ever give such huge amounts of power, to a known maniac, because he claims to be doing it to place the world under a happy fake reality?
Not to mention that the jinchuuriki's wouldn't get to experience this, because they would be killed from the extraction, and some of the jinchuuriki's are loved members of their village, ie. Naruto, Bee, Gaara

Put it like this, if Osama Bin Laden had said to the world "Hey, if every nation in the world gives me control of all their military weapons and technology, I will hold them and war will never break out again" would you think giving him those weapons is a good idea?

 

[Angelic.]

naruto also almost gave up to reality but was pulled back by his freinds. blame freindship power.
they didnt want everything to go to waste. i dont know if the shinobi knew that the enemy goal was IT before the war started.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Infinite Tsukiyomi wasn't a guarantee.
The fact of the matter was, a ruthless killer, "claimed" he was going to put the world under a perfect genjutsu of happiness and love etc etc.
but in order to do that, they would have to give him the 9 hosts to the tailed beasts.
Why would anyone ever give such huge amounts of power, to a known maniac, because he claims to be doing it to place the world under a happy fake reality?
Not to mention that the jinchuuriki's wouldn't get to experience this, because they would be killed from the extraction, and some of the jinchuuriki's are loved members of their village, ie. Naruto, Bee, Gaara

Put it like this, if Osama Bin Laden had said to the world "Hey, if every nation in the world gives me control of all their military weapons and technology, I will hold them and war will never break out again" would you think giving him those weapons is a good idea?

That's another problem. Obito should not have gotten under the guise of Madara and should have tried to sell the idea. And the fact that only the chakra of tailed beast was needed and not the whole thing made the deaths of the jinchuuriki unnecessary. Obito also could have promised to revive the the dead with the power of the Rinnigan after he gain the enough chakra from the Juubi to keep him from dying.

 

[HokageKid]

That's another problem. Obito should not have gotten under the guise of Madara and should have tried to sell the idea. And the fact that only the chakra of tailed beast was needed and not the whole thing made the deaths of the jinchuuriki unnecessary. Obito also could have promised to revive the the dead with the power of the Rinnigan after he gain the enough chakra from the Juubi to keep him from dying.

You still run into:

He was the head of a criminal organisation

Infinite Tsukiyomi requires the Jinchuuriki's dying

You can't just hand over the most powerful weapons in the world to one man, in the hope that he is telling the truth

The Raikage would never give up bee, the Hokage would never give up Naruto, the Sand Village would never give up Gaara, which
would lead to a war, and who wants to go to war with the leaf, cloud and sand village?

 

[rollin]

people expect way too much out of a simple shouen manga

 

[NaruSasuRival]

Another thread to support real-life losers in their quest for an illusionary world where they can become heroes!

Yeah, this is what all of you are looking for, and it is actually something that happen in reality. Many people are simply in denial of their weaknesses. They keep trying to become what they cannot become, or to get what they were never meant to have. After losing many times, they start to transform their unattainable goal into dream. Sometimes, they lose their mind and start to bring others in their dream, especially, if their goal was to become some type of hero.

See, this is Madara's life. He was a real-life loser, and he couldn't accept to be that loser. His goal was to be the world leader that Hashirama was, but he was a loser to hashirama. This is why he wanted to put everyone in IT, but him.

You guys fail to see that Madara did not cast IT on himslef. He knew he couldn't rule people who are alive and have their own mind. Thus, he had to trick them in order to become their leader. Only dumbies can fail to see that.