[Opinion] Why Sasuke is Right, and Why Naruto is Wrong

[UzumakiWade]

Simple, as history says, what starts in violence, ends in violence, that's how Sasuke's peace ends, and a new cycle will begin, a worse cycle. They may both be wrong, technically, the thing is, Naruto understands there will always be issues, another Madara will always arise and must be stopped, the thing is, Naruto's way would be the one to accomplish the longest periods of peace. What ended the war between the great nations (the world powers) in our world? It was WWII, where we decided shit like that needed to stop, know what didn't end it? The French Revolution (Sasuke's solution, basically). Naruto's will, the drive to allow what exists and can be (the idea that the current situation can lead to some peace) is the right one, Sasuke plans to destroy that.

When you justify one killing, you justify another, and another, and another, what starts out as killing the five kages to "end all war" will end in killing random citizens for "disturbing the peace".

It is true Naruto's way is a better path compared to Sasuke's but the bolded statement says it all, it will be one of the longest periods of peace meaning that Naruto's way just extends the time of peace but nonetheless their will always be hatred, it is inevitable. Naruto can extend it all he likes but he can never achieve eternal peace.

 

[Scooby Doo]

The whole Alliance support Naruto, I'm quite sure that together they are more likely to create a better world than Sasuke alone. And noone said that a flawless perfect world is possible. Naruto said he will seize peace, if such a thing exists. He's earned everyone's trust and respect. Those who say Naruto is childish, just want to act smart. I dont see how Naruto is childish in regard of bringing about change. He is the child of prophecy, the revolutionary who will change the world. Not Sasuke. Those who think Naruto doesnt want to change the system, probably dont read the manga or just pretty forgetful.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

It is true Naruto's way is a better path compared to Sasuke's but the bolded statement says it all, it will be one of the longest periods of peace meaning that Naruto's way just extends the time of peace but nonetheless their will always be hatred, it is inevitable. Naruto can extend it all he likes but he can never achieve eternal peace.

Of course not, no one can, the only way that would even be possible would be Obito and Madara's way, but then you have the question of whether or not peace is worth free will, and whether a nice dream that never ends is better than a harsh reality that can change.

 

[UzumakiWade]

Maybe true ... But Kishi is smarter than that, throughout the Manga he implied the theme of bring up a generation that would continue the work of their predecessors. So I dont think the Manga would end with a happy ending but with the passing on of the Will to create a better world at a larger scale.

I suppose that could be it, however so far i mostly expect some sappy and good ending. Almost every villain the main character has faced has always realized their mistakes and repented for their crimes. Zabuza became good at the end (in some aspects), Nagato became good, Obito became good and even Madara, the only villain who i mostly looked up to, realized his mistakes and repented. Kaguya was the only one that didn't repent and even then her character and her arc was the shittiest and most boring in the manga. I hope and pray that Kishi makes his ending a bit unique compared to others, honestly the manga has become so predictable it's kind of scary.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Hear the truth haters

 

[UzumakiWade]

Of course not, no one can, the only way that would even be possible would be Obito and Madara's way, but then you have the question of whether or not peace is worth free will, and whether a nice dream that never ends is better than a harsh reality that can change.

Mhm that's why their both wrong.
Although in all honesty i admit Madara's plan wouldn't have been that bad, despite not having free will its better to create a perfect world for everyone in an eternal dream rather then have them still alive and waiting for the upcoming wars and deaths that will eventually happen.

 

[Ramen Dragneel]

The problem is you guys are comparing manga world to the real world. The French Revolution has no meaning in a world where ninjas exist. Sasuke's methods would lead to increased peace because the TB would be gone. Naruto has absolutely no answer for obtaining peace.

Manga are written with the knowledge of the real world inheranyly engrained in the minds of their writers. It is illogical to disregard the connect between the real world and a book. The experiences and ideas used in the manga are no doubt drawn from the the authors real world experiences and lessons. Regardless he is not saying that the French revolution and sasuke's revolution are the same. He is using the French revolution as one of many ideas that exist that support his thesis that peace cannot be forged through violence and blood.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Mhm that's why their both wrong.
Although in all honesty i admit Madara's plan wouldn't have been that bad, despite not having free will its better to create a perfect world for everyone in an eternal dream rather then have them still alive and waiting for the upcoming wars and deaths that will eventually happen.

Perhaps, I once believed so too, but they didn't choose that for themselves, he forced them into IT without their consent.

 

[UzumakiWade]

Perhaps, I once believed so too, but they didn't choose that for themselves, he forced them into IT without their consent.

True, true, its too bad Madara was the bad guy in this case.

 

[Kaworu Nagisa]

The thing is, Sasuke is trying to mess it up more and then force the answer upon everyone. Naruto has helped everyone understand the answer and learn from the past. Sasuke's method will only bring about temporary (and uneasy) peace. Naruto is trying to get everyone to understand and begin to work toward peace by bettering themselves. No one learns anything from Sasuke's "peace". Even if Naruto's peace is unattainable, his ideals will resonate with people long after he is gone, and they will continue trying to understand one another because of his influence. The same cannot be said for Sasuke.

Thread was over after this. No one even tried to rebut.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

True, true, its too bad Madara was the bad guy in this case.

Haha, if you want a reference, I made an entire thread on the subject of IT, if Zetsu wasn't a result, it really helped change my views.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Haha, if you want a reference, I made an entire thread on the subject of IT, if Zetsu wasn't a result, it really helped change my views.

You're welcome.

 

[Ramen Dragneel]

So who's voice and ideal have united 5 nations. I forget...um...nuf said. Naruto is not trying to change anything. He already has. He only wants to foster that growth and let peace whether temporary or permanent play out for as long as it can. Sasuke is still hurt and narrow minded no matter how much he denies it. He wants revenge on the kage because their predessors did things he does not agree with. Naruto united the nations and changed the bijuu from weapons into beings of great importance and united them in the same way hagorama did. Whether you like it or not change has already begun by the hands of naruto and sasuke is hurt and wants to tear it all down.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

You're welcome.

Haha, thanks for that, you were rather fun to debate with.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

So who's voice and ideal have united 5 nations. I forget...um...nuf said. Naruto is not trying to change anything. He already has. He only wants to foster that growth and let peace whether temporary or permanent play out for as long as it can. Sasuke is still hurt and narrow minded no matter how much he denies it. He wants revenge on the kage because their predessors did things he does not agree with. Naruto united the nations and changed the bijuu from weapons into beings of great importance and united them in the same way hagorama did. Whether you like it or not change has already begun by the hands of naruto and sasuke is hurt and wants to tear it all down.

Exactly, this is ultimately Sasuke's personal crusade against the kages and the shinobi world, this is less about revenge, and is more about avenging his clan at the end of the day. That's what Sasuke has always done, giving himself impossible goals and obsessing over them, continuous self-delusion.

 

[Exaar]

The thing is, The unification of the shinboi world is already in progress.

The 5 kage, and the shinobi in their respective villages have put side their pasts and are working together to protect their homes. This is a massive leap in it's self, Sasuke's plan of killing the 5 kage even though they have made progress would of set everything back to square one.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Exactly, this is ultimately Sasuke's personal crusade against the kages and the shinobi world, this is less about revenge, and is more about avenging his clan at the end of the day. That's what Sasuke has always done, giving himself impossible goals and obsessing over them, continuous self-delusion.

I have my moments.

 

[Apdo]

I have my moments.

Like this one:

The thing is, Sasuke is trying to mess it up more and then force the answer upon everyone. Naruto has helped everyone understand the answer and learn from the past. Sasuke's method will only bring about temporary (and uneasy) peace. Naruto is trying to get everyone to understand and begin to work toward peace by bettering themselves. No one learns anything from Sasuke's "peace". Even if Naruto's peace is unattainable, his ideals will resonate with people long after he is gone, and they will continue trying to understand one another because of his influence. The same cannot be said for Sasuke.

 

[Ramen Dragneel]

I'm mad though the tnj levels in this fight will be over 9000 lol

 

[Ramen Dragneel]

I have my moments.

Did you just steal my moment?