[Opinion] Why Sasuke is Right, and Why Naruto is Wrong

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

It's simple to say that the current system of governance is corrupt and therefore it must be replaced and its leaders eliminated, but like Goethe said, ideas are gray, but real life is green:

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The French Revolution christened its first republic with the severed head of Louis XVI, the death of a tyrant according to the revolutionary leader Robespierre:

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He replaced one tyrant to become an even bigger tyrant himself, the committee of public safety in which he in charge of, has put countless french under the Guillotine for being "counter-revolutionists"

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For petty reasons like not being enthusiastic enough with the revolution, or saying something positive about the former regime, or being sympathetic to the woes of other countries, many have lost their heads, that is why in history it is called "The Terror" because of its excesses.

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So excessive was the terror that Robespierre himself was toppled and put under the guillotine because people had enough of the effusion of innocent blood that he caused.

If Sasuke succeeds, he will become worse than those he replaces, a revolution christened with blood, will call for more blood.

 

[siege]

It's simple to say that the current system of governance is corrupt and therefore it must be replaced and its leaders eliminated, but like Goethe said, ideas are gray, but real life is green:

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The French Revolution christened its first republic with the severed head of Louis XVI, the death of a tyrant according to the revolutionary leader Robespierre:

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He replaced one tyrant to become an even bigger tyrant himself, the committee of public safety in which he in charge of, has put countless french under the Guillotine for being "counter-revolutionists"

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For petty reasons like not being enthusiastic enough with the revolution, or saying something positive about the former regime, or being sympathetic to the woes of other countries, many have lost their heads, that is why in history it is called "The Terror" because of its excesses.

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So excessive was the terror that Robespierre himself was toppled and put under the guillotine because people had enough of the effusion of innocent blood that he caused.

If Sasuke succeeds, he will become worse than those he replaces, a revolution christened with blood, will call for more blood.

This is so true such a great point well illustrated

 

[Ramen Dragneel]

It's simple to say that the current system of governance is corrupt and therefore it must be replaced and its leaders eliminated, but like Goethe said, ideas are gray, but real life is green:

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The French Revolution christened its first republic with the severed head of Louis XVI, the death of a tyrant according to the revolutionary leader Robespierre:

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He replaced one tyrant to become an even bigger tyrant himself, the committee of public safety in which he in charge of, has put countless french under the Guillotine for being "counter-revolutionists"

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For petty reasons like not being enthusiastic enough with the revolution, or saying something positive about the former regime, or being sympathetic to the woes of other countries, many have lost their heads, that is why in history it is called "The Terror" because of its excesses.

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So excessive was the terror that Robespierre himself was toppled and put under the guillotine because people had enough of the effusion of innocent blood that he caused.

If Sasuke succeeds, he will become worse than those he replaces, a revolution christened with blood, will call for more blood.

Brilliant and eloquent sir

 

[Darth Uchiha]

I think Sauce's point is that mankind will go right back to hunting their power, causing more wars. He doesn't think Naruto can stop that conflict. Whether Sauce is PNJ'd or not, meh. We'll see. I think it's more likely the fight is a draw and they agree to both become co-Hokage alongside Kakashi. Or some weird compromise ending, assuming they both survive and the movie is 100% cannon...

Anyways my point with this thread is that I think Sasuke is correct in pointing out how messed up the status quo is.

Madara stated that he went insane after learning that people fought even before chakra. They fought before the bijuu, they'd fight after them, Sasuke's logic is faulty.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

It's simple to say that the current system of governance is corrupt and therefore it must be replaced and its leaders eliminated, but like Goethe said, ideas are gray, but real life is green:

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The French Revolution christened its first republic with the severed head of Louis XVI, the death of a tyrant according to the revolutionary leader Robespierre:

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He replaced one tyrant to become an even bigger tyrant himself, the committee of public safety in which he in charge of, has put countless french under the Guillotine for being "counter-revolutionists"

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For petty reasons like not being enthusiastic enough with the revolution, or saying something positive about the former regime, or being sympathetic to the woes of other countries, many have lost their heads, that is why in history it is called "The Terror" because of its excesses.

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So excessive was the terror that Robespierre himself was toppled and put under the guillotine because people had enough of the effusion of innocent blood that he caused.

If Sasuke succeeds, he will become worse than those he replaces, a revolution christened with blood, will call for more blood.

Right, the reign that starts in violence, ends in violence.

 

[narutoblitz]

The problem is you guys are comparing manga world to the real world. The French Revolution has no meaning in a world where ninjas exist. Sasuke's methods would lead to increased peace because the TB would be gone. Naruto has absolutely no answer for obtaining peace.

 

[Vapid]

The problem is you guys are comparing manga world to the real world. The French Revolution has no meaning in a world where ninjas exist. Sasuke's methods would lead to increased peace because the TB would be gone. Naruto has absolutely no answer for obtaining peace.

Sasuke is an animal abuser, psychopath and, in general, not the person who should lead a revolution in the NV (he's not even remotely mentally stable). Revolution may end up being necessary in the NV, but Sasuke absolutely should not be the spearhead of it.

 

[Tennis Robot]

The problem is you guys are comparing manga world to the real world. The French Revolution has no meaning in a world where ninjas exist. Sasuke's methods would lead to increased peace because the TB would be gone. Naruto has absolutely no answer for obtaining peace.

One of us was. You still haven't addressed my post. Anyway, humans are still humans in both worlds, and humans are all fundamentally the same.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

The problem is you guys are comparing manga world to the real world. The French Revolution has no meaning in a world where ninjas exist. Sasuke's methods would lead to increased peace because the TB would be gone. Naruto has absolutely no answer for obtaining peace.

So, killing the first unified leaders is the key? Like the other poster said, Sasuke doesn't really want to solve anything, this is about his own personal war with the Shinobi World because of the pain it caused him. How will killing the bijuu help when people fought wars prior to that? How will killing the kages help if the time before them was worse than the wars (Warring States period ended due to the nations, remember)? Sasuke's plan is basically getting pissed off at a tree for not growing fast enough, so you cut it down and set the the surrounding forest on fire so "new trees can grow" Naruto's plan is basically watering the tree as much as possible, because, even if it doesn't grow, you never know it won't, and it's your job to try helping it.

 

[lucario14]

One of us was. You still haven't addressed my post. Anyway, humans are still humans in both worlds, and humans are all fundamentally the same.

Humans would be the same if the laws and rules and societal norms were the same but they're not therefore the humans around us would behave differently to the humans in the narutoverse.

 

[uzumakinaruto389]

Neither are right.

Naruto is childish and unrealistic.

Sasuke is a butthurt manchild with piss-poor convictions and motivation.

You're just a wanker.

good point lol. You're the most logical guy i've seen on the forum

 

[Tennis Robot]

Humans would be the same if the laws and rules and societal norms were the same but they're not therefore the humans around us would behave differently to the humans in the narutoverse.

What's the point of writing fiction then?

 

[UzumakiWade]

The problem is you guys are comparing manga world to the real world. The French Revolution has no meaning in a world where ninjas exist. Sasuke's methods would lead to increased peace because the TB would be gone. Naruto has absolutely no answer for obtaining peace.

Sasuke's Answer :- Destroy the shinobi system even though it can be improved through other ways, slaughter the Kage's who agreed to peace just because his own selfish assumption demands him to do so and destroy the tailed beasts, even though they are now good and will not rampage the world just because he thinks he is always right and can't open up to a compromise or any other way to change the imperfection of the world.

Naruto's Answer :- Wants to leave the world just as it is because he believes everything is now fine since all the villages formed an alliance, and doesn't even think that there is a slight possibility that something can go wrong because of his ridiculous optimism. He thinks he's some almighty boss of the world and can squash all the evilness of the world with his Naruto Therapy.

Nobody is right in this case, they both think that because their so powerful, the earth is now their clay which they can mould into whatever they want. Both their ideals are fuelled only by their selfishness and stupidity.

 

[lanakui8]

*The Ninja World is messed up due to all the wars, tragedies and needless conflict

sure, naruto believes that to which is why heʻs trying to change it.

*The TB need to die for mankind to live. Their existence has caused men like Obito or Madara to seek their power, it's the cause ofmany wars.

tailed beasts are merely weapons for men like Obito and Madara to carry out their mad plans. Take away the tailed beasts and theyʻll find another way to create wars. Madara literally stated that when he talked about the time before there were tailed beasts and the world was at war.

*The current village system created by Hashirama is a failure. It's led to multiple wars

People within the village system created multiple wars. Any system that doesnʻt take away freedom and choice will fail if the hearts of its people are controlled by the cycle of hatred.

*Naruto cannot change the world
*Naruto has no answer to Pain's question
*Those that believe in Naruto are naive
*The end result of this is the Infinite Tsukyomi. Mankind is on the brink of extinction.

I donʻt see anything in the manga that support any of those conclusions. Those are pretty much all just baseless assertions as youʻve given no evidence to back them up with.

All Sasuke needs to do is look squarely at Hagoromo and say this happened because of you. Hagoromo's family created this fairly ridiculous situations. He allowed his sons to fight for aeons. Killing countless thousands, wrecking their lives in the name of his "justice" and leading the world down the path to war. The Sage of the Six Paths murdered his own brother to get the moon seal (I think this is what will be revealed). He sealed his own mother to cover it up. She didn't talk because she was possessed. (Doesn't this seem odd, that Kaguya was crying and not talking, almost as if she was being forced to fight? Even Naruto thought it was weird...)

The world Hagoromo created is an objective failure. Madara was right. Hashirama stopped just short of admitting he messed up. The resurrected Hokage agreed they had all failed. Tobirama speculated war was inevitable. Naruto has no answers. Naruto is the one being naive. Sasuke's revolution is fully justified, and the Sage of the Six Paths is not a god. Like Madara, he was no Saviour. He's a hypocrite at best that let his own flesh and blood die for his ideals, and at worst a tyrant that is indifferent to mankind becoming white zetsu clones, possibly plotting his own resurrection and shoving his ideals on people throughout the ages. Taking over their bodies with the souls of his sons or himself.

Hagoromo didnʻt create any world, if anyone is responsible for how things are itʻs black zetsu who manipulated the uchiha clan and wars in order to revive kaguya.
And lets indulge the idea that hagoromo created the world and that hagoromoʻs world is somehow an objective failure, if thatʻs true, why does it logically follow that sasuke should start a revolution? Sasukeʻs revolution could make the world even WORSE than it is.
And i love how you say Hagoromo is indifferent to mankind becoming white zetsus, yet at the same time you say ʻheʻs shoving his ideals on people throughout the agesʻ. That right there is the definition of a logically incoherent post.

Sasuke is going to lay this all at the doorstep of Hagoromo, and frankly I think he's right to do so.

No, heʻs absolutely not right to do so, especially when his ʻrevolutionʻ involves him making decisions to kill people or beings off. Hagoromo has no control over the hearts of other people, all he, naruto, hashirama or anyone can do is just change themselves as best as they can. No village, no system, no powers will fix that, hagoromo simply tried to find a way to make it easier for people to understand each other by creating ninshu as another way for people to interact and bond with each other.

 

[Anorien16]

Sasuke's Answer :- Destroy the shinobi system even though it can be improved through other ways, slaughter the Kage's who agreed to peace just because his own selfish assumption demands him to do so and destroy the tailed beasts, even though they are now good and will not rampage the world just because he thinks he is always right and can't open up to a compromise or any other way to change the imperfection of the world.

Naruto's Answer :- Wants to leave the world just as it is because he believes everything is now fine since all the villages formed an alliance, and doesn't even think that there is a slight possibility that something can go wrong because of his ridiculous optimism. He thinks he's some almighty boss of the world and can squash all the evilness of the world with his Naruto Therapy.

Nobody is right in this case, they both think that because their so powerful, the earth is now their clay which they can mould into whatever they want. Both their ideals are fuelled only by their selfishness and stupidity.

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[Bantos]

Sasuke may have good intentions, but he's ways are not. He should find other way to affect the system than just killing people.

 

[UzumakiWade]

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That's all just talk tbh, either way there is no right option when it comes to someone's opinion on how the world is suppose to be changed, the reason Naruto's Answer is deemed better is because more people agree with his opinion. But it will always just be that, his opinion of how the world should be, people are just blindly following his perspective because he saved their asses plenty of times for them to think of him as their jesus. Of course, im not agreeing with this thread and saying Naruto is wrong, he is wrong but so is Sasuke. There will never be a completely flawless world no matter what Sasuke or Naruto do. Sasuke can destroy and rebuild all he likes but people will start to stand up against him and then another war will begin. Naruto can also dream about a perfect world as much as he desires but it's never going to actually happen. Although, these people are just a bunch of drawings so either way Naruto's Answer will obviously come into play and work perfectly because its a shounen manga and everyone will obviously live happily ever after.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

That's all just talk tbh, either way there is no right option when it comes to someone's opinion on how the world is suppose to be changed, the reason Naruto's Answer is deemed better is because more people agree with his opinion. But it will always just be that, his opinion of how the world should be, people are just blindly following his perspective because he saved their asses plenty of times for them to think of him as their jesus. Of course, im not agreeing with this thread and saying Naruto is wrong, he is wrong but so is Sasuke. There will never be a completely flawless world no matter what Sasuke or Naruto do. Sasuke can destroy and rebuild all he likes but people will start to stand up against him and then another war will begin. Naruto can also dream about a perfect world as much as he desires but it's never going to actually happen. Although, these people are just a bunch of drawings so either way Naruto's Answer will obviously come into play and work perfectly because its a shounen manga and everyone will obviously live happily ever after.

Simple, as history says, what starts in violence, ends in violence, that's how Sasuke's peace ends, and a new cycle will begin, a worse cycle. They may both be wrong, technically, the thing is, Naruto understands there will always be issues, another Madara will always arise and must be stopped, the thing is, Naruto's way would be the one to accomplish the longest periods of peace. What ended the war between the great nations (the world powers) in our world? It was WWII, where we decided shit like that needed to stop, know what didn't end it? The French Revolution (Sasuke's solution, basically). Naruto's will, the drive to allow what exists and can be (the idea that the current situation can lead to some peace) is the right one, Sasuke plans to destroy that.

When you justify one killing, you justify another, and another, and another, what starts out as killing the five kages to "end all war" will end in killing random citizens for "disturbing the peace".

 

[Anorien16]

That's all just talk tbh, either way there is no right option when it comes to someone's opinion on how the world is suppose to be changed, the reason Naruto's Answer is deemed better is because more people agree with his opinion. But it will always just be that, his opinion of how the world should be, people are just blindly following his perspective because he saved their asses plenty of times for them to think of him as their jesus. Of course, im not agreeing with this thread and saying Naruto is wrong, he is wrong but so is Sasuke. There will never be a completely flawless world no matter what Sasuke or Naruto do. Sasuke can destroy and rebuild all he likes but people will start to stand up against him and then another war will begin. Naruto can also dream about a perfect world as much as he desires but it's never going to actually happen. Although, these people are just a bunch of drawings so either way Naruto's Answer will obviously come into play and work perfectly because its a shounen manga and everyone will obviously live happily ever after.

Maybe true ... But Kishi is smarter than that, throughout the Manga he implied the theme of bring up a generation that would continue the work of their predecessors. So I dont think the Manga would end with a happy ending but with the passing on of the Will to create a better world at a larger scale.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Maybe true ... But Kishi is smarter than that, throughout the Manga he implied the theme of bring up a generation that would continue the work of their predecessors. So I dont think the Manga would end with a happy ending but with the passing on of the Will to create a better world at a larger scale.

Not to mention, what will be the one war this current generation will remember? They won't remember fighting against Kumo or Iwagakure, they won't remember a Konoha shinobi killing their family, they'll remember that Iwagakure ninja that saved them from the Zetsu creeping behind them, they'll remember that Kumo ninja that healed their grievous wounds, and most of all, they'll remember Konoha's jinchuriki, who stood before all of them, perfectly willing to lay down his life to protect everyone.