[Question] Are One piece movies canon?

[Love Cook]

*Eren gets to his basement, Timmy Turner hooks up with Trixie Tang, One Piece is found, Vegeta surpasses Goku, humans encounter aliens and inhabit a new planet, and Love Cook still doesn't get it.*

I've given you good reasons already. Saying I'm wrong doesn't hide your denial. Luffy has never met Zephyr. Sanji has never fought Binz. Nami was never turned back into a little girl. Just because you don't care, doesn't make it not true. I know you don't understand this, but the world doesn't revolve around what you want. Plain and simple.

You can hide behind all the jokes in the world but you still didn't answer the question.

When asked about what Usopp will do if he runs out of Pop Greens, Oda responded that he has a garden, saying it's the one we saw in Film Z. He said he'd like to include it in the comic as well. This shows Oda himself considers the film separate from the comic, otherwise, why would he need to reintroduce it in the manga?

This is the last time that I will say it, because I wont be going on like a broken record. Fights like Sanji vs Binz, Nami getting smaller or Usopp's pop greens don't interest me one bit. You can keep hammering on it but that's not the point here. Oda oversaw the Z movie it's not like he wrote it like Strong World. But what does matter is that the parts that he oversaw where he gave information about relevant points in the current manga story. And if you think that warrants jokes about flying cars and Timmy Turner because I've decided to use common sense then go ahead. You're making yourself look like an asshoie who evades questions, not me.

Just promise me that you will think of me when the 7th shichi is introduced, and how painfully wrong you were in this thread. That's it I'm out of here.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You can hide behind all the jokes in the world but you still didn't answer the question.



This is the last time that I will say it, because I wont be going on like a broken record. Fights like Sanji vs Binz, Nami getting smaller or Usopp's pop greens don't interest me one bit. You can keep hammering on it but that's not the point here. Oda oversaw the Z movie it's not like he wrote it like Strong World. But what does matter is that the parts that he oversaw where he gave information about relevant points in the current manga story. And if you think that warrants jokes about flying cars and Timmy Turner because I've decided to use common sense then go ahead. You're making yourself look like an asshoie who evades questions, not me.

Just promise me that you will think of me when the 7th shichi is introduced, and how painfully wrong you were in this thread. That's it I'm out of here.

Except I wasn't wrong about anything.
You not being interested in Sanji vs Binz, or Luffy meeting Zephyr, whatever, that's your personal preferences. They're still non-canon. I won't be thinking of you or thinking "Drats I was wrong!" because, as I've said before, I'm not saying the background information to present the movie is non-canon, I'm not saying Z didn't get his arm severed by the Shichibukai, I'm not saying Z wasn't a formal Admiral, I'm not saying Z doesn't hate the Marines, I'm saying things in the present day movie, such as Luffy fighting Z, and meeting Kuzan after the timeskip, and experiencing the Dyna Rocks and two of the End Points being blown up, that's not canon. It does not matter whether or not you're interested in those details, no one here asked if you were, and it holds no relevance as to whether or not they are canon.

No one here gives a **** about what you're interested in, the question wasn't "What does Love Cook like to beat off to", it was "Are the movies canon." You saying "I don't care for those moments" and "I'm only interested in these particular parts" means absolutely nothing to anyone but you, and it has nothing to do with this discussion. Stop seeing what you want to see in posts just you can fake being smart and knowing what you're talking about. Learn what I've been saying, learn what the thread asked, and learned what really matters to what's canon and what's not before you go around calling people autistic and retarded simply because you're lacking in some comprehension skills. I'm saying "The events in the movie aren't canon", to which you reply "The background info is canon", to which I reply "Okay, but the movie itself isn't canon", and you recycle the same thing over and over, responding to an argument I never made. It'll add to the general enjoyment of this section, rather than having malignant, irrelevant insults thrown left and right because you wanna assert forum dominance, k? K.

 

[Love Cook]

Except I wasn't wrong about anything.
You not being interested in Sanji vs Binz, or Luffy meeting Zephyr, whatever, that's your personal preferences. They're still non-canon. I won't be thinking of you or thinking "Drats I was wrong!" because, as I've said before, I'm not saying the background information to present the movie is non-canon, I'm not saying Z didn't get his arm severed by the Shichibukai, I'm not saying Z wasn't a formal Admiral, I'm not saying Z doesn't hate the Marines, I'm saying things in the present day movie, such as Luffy fighting Z, and meeting Kuzan after the timeskip, and experiencing the Dyna Rocks and two of the End Points being blown up, that's not canon. It does not matter whether or not you're interested in those details, no one here asked if you were, and it holds no relevance as to whether or not they are canon.

No one here gives a **** about what you're interested in, the question wasn't "What does Love Cook like to beat off to", it was "Are the movies canon." You saying "I don't care for those moments" and "I'm only interested in these particular parts" means absolutely nothing to anyone but you, and it has nothing to do with this discussion. Stop seeing what you want to see in posts just you can fake being smart and knowing what you're talking about. Learn what I've been saying, learn what the thread asked, and learned what really matters to what's canon and what's not before you go around calling people autistic and retarded simply because you're lacking in some comprehension skills. I'm saying "The events in the movie aren't canon", to which you reply "The background info is canon", to which I reply "Okay, but the movie itself isn't canon", and you recycle the same thing over and over, responding to an argument I never made. It'll add to the general enjoyment of this section, rather than having malignant, irrelevant insults thrown left and right because you wanna assert forum dominance, k? K.

I don't need to establish dominance because I already have it. Otherwise I would've shit on your head, pissed against your leg, buried you in the garden and beat on my chest three times before showing you my big silver back. But there is no point in doing that against little twerps.

I wasn't making this into a Love Cook thing, I tried to single out important examples because you liked to talk about other stuff that don't even matter.

But as promised, I won't discuss this topic any further, but I'm not going to let you have the last word if you're using it to sprout some more bullshit.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I don't need to establish dominance because I already have it. Otherwise I would've shit on your head, pissed against your leg, buried you in the garden and beat on my chest three times before showing you my big silver back. But there is no point in doing that against little twerps.

I wasn't making this into a Love Cook thing, I tried to single out important examples because you liked to talk about other stuff that don't even matter.

But as promised, I won't discuss this topic any further, but I'm not going to let you have the last word if you're using it to sprout some more bullshit.

Yeah no, you definitely made this a Love Cook thing. You've said more than one times "I don't care about this, and these details don't matter to me, and I consider this that" as responses(they don't even deserve to be called rebuttals), as though how you personally feel about them are why they're canon. You just talk circles around yourself.

I'm willing to bet you're not gonna let this rest here, your precious ego is too strong.

 

[Love Cook]

Yeah no, you definitely made this a Love Cook thing. You've said more than one times "I don't care about this, and these details don't matter to me, and I consider this that" as responses(they don't even deserve to be called rebuttals), as though how you personally feel about them are why they're canon. You just talk circles around yourself.

I'm willing to bet you're not gonna let this rest here, your precious ego is too strong.

Oh that's for sure, when you're as great as I am ego is very important. Maybe you will learn that lesson in life one day when you actually achieve something. That will never happen in the safety of your moms basement though.

I said multiple times that I didn't care about certain matters because they're not interesting in this discussion. Like the anime, filler arcs, fodder characters and side fights. I just wanted to talk about the information that Oda gave in those movies which set them apart from the rest. So that has nothing to do with it being a Love Cook thing, which I defiantly wouldn't have mind because I love talking about myself, and everything with pointing out where you where wrong.

Luckily I can look at myself in the mirror and accept that I'm not a stubborn little ****, because I don't seem to be the only one who has trouble talking sense into you. *Closes the ageless surgery thread*

But now you're dead to me.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Oh that's for sure, when you're as great as I am ego is very important. Maybe you will learn that lesson in life one day when you actually achieve something. That will never happen in the safety of your moms basement though.

I said multiple times that I didn't care about certain matters because they're not interesting in this discussion. Like the anime, filler arcs, fodder characters and side fights. I just wanted to talk about the information that Oda gave in those movies which set them apart from the rest. So that has nothing to do with it being a Love Cook thing, which I defiantly wouldn't have mind because I love talking about myself, and everything with pointing out where you where wrong.

Luckily I can look at myself in the mirror and accept that I'm not a stubborn little ****, because I don't seem to be the only one who has trouble talking sense into you. *Closes the ageless surgery thread*

Told you he'd respond again. Ego just can't take it.

And I've said it before, and I'll say it again, what you care about doesn't matter. Doesn't make them any more canon. Stop responding to arguments I never made. It's that simple.

 

[Listz]

Oh God, you guys hahaha these arguments are interesting.

Listen...no, i mean, read this. Especially you, Love Cook I try to explain it as simple as possible to be understood well by others too.

All the movies are NON-CANON, alright? Just like anime version, Oda only got himself involved in movie productions since Toei requested him to do it. For the sake of certain period of business contract between them, Oda had to contribute something like cooperation with them while he could. Oda seemed didn't mind about that at all most of the times, including the moment when Toei suddenly came to him and requested a great, powerful character to be included for One Piece 3D2Y special, remember? He didn't claim it was canon either.

HOWEVER, the characters' designs, history information, background stories of characters aside the movie plots are CANON. The real reason for Oda to be involved with the productions is for him to keep the originality of the characters and details, also to avoid much spoilers or put in only necessary spoilers to the manga through the said movies. For example, in Film Z, regarding to Aokiji's new design and other marines. Nonetheless, we still haven't known what Aokiji had been doing since his fight with Akainu, as he avoided to answer almost all Luffy's questions that time.

There's this interview (dem i forgot when or where the related vid/article was, you can searched them somewhere) where Oda was asked about how he cooperated with Toei staffs. Oda said something like this (this is paraphrasing):

"I pretty much leave up to them (Toei). The Pandaman, the odds or hidden messages i secretly put in the manga for each chapter, i didn't even tell them a single thing. They are either can find it or can't find it the moment they got the chapter page. They searched them on their own. But, when i thought some information is deemed necessary to be mentioned to them, i would inform them right away, for the sake of the impact or storyplot later on, including forbid some info to be revealed overly done or too much spoilers. There's one time, when i told them Luffy wouldn't turn into his kid form after using his Gear Third anymore after TS, all Toei staffs were like 'Oh Thank God!'".​

Another quote (rephrase) from Oda is, in which he didn't say anything about him being involved altogether in creating movie plots or any other One Piece animation (movies+specials+anime filler episodes):

"They usually came up to me, asking me several permissions and designs for some add-ons and character or info to be added in their projects."​

Oda sometimes rejected their (Toei) request, in major, still, he allowed them. Oda was as well designed the extra characters for Universal Studio Japan park: One Piece special prime theater a few times, so can we consider the plays as canon? Nope, we can't, seriously.

Strong World movie is a non-canon sequel story based on Oda's Episode 0 manga chapters, where he feels a bit sad since he can't find anywhere in his main manga to be put in there. Hence, they get separated, and Toei takes advantage of this to adapt it into a movie, and boost the sale by animating the Episode 0 too (30 minutes vid) while they're at it. Film Z is pretty much non-canon, Oda designs and control the canon info in the movie, but not the plot.

Is there anything else you guys feel confused with? Either VM me or post it below. :bouncy:

 

[Gintõki1]

Lol Oda confirmed in chapter 700 that Z isn't canon. Every noob that reads the Manga knows that.
For people that are too retarded/lazy to use google. Scroll down ....

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[Love Cook]

Oh God, you guys hahaha these arguments are interesting.

Listen...no, i mean, read this. Especially you, Love Cook I try to explain it as simple as possible to be understood well by others too.

All the movies are NON-CANON, alright? Just like anime version, Oda only got himself involved in movie productions since Toei requested him to do it. For the sake of certain period of business contract between them, Oda had to contribute something like cooperation with them while he could. Oda seemed didn't mind about that at all most of the times, including the moment when Toei suddenly came to him and requested a great, powerful character to be included for One Piece 3D2Y special, remember? He didn't claim it was canon either.

HOWEVER, the characters' designs, history information, background stories of characters aside the movie plots are CANON. The real reason for Oda to be involved with the productions is for him to keep the originality of the characters and details, also to avoid much spoilers or put in only necessary spoilers to the manga through the said movies. For example, in Film Z, regarding to Aokiji's new design and other marines. Nonetheless, we still haven't known what Aokiji had been doing since his fight with Akainu, as he avoided to answer almost all Luffy's questions that time.

There's this interview (dem i forgot when or where the related vid/article was, you can searched them somewhere) where Oda was asked about how he cooperated with Toei staffs. Oda said something like this (this is paraphrasing):

"I pretty much leave up to them (Toei). The Pandaman, the odds or hidden messages i secretly put in the manga for each chapter, i didn't even tell them a single thing. They are either can find it or can't find it the moment they got the chapter page. They searched them on their own. But, when i thought some information is deemed necessary to be mentioned to them, i would inform them right away, for the sake of the impact or storyplot later on, including forbid some info to be revealed overly done or too much spoilers. There's one time, when i told them Luffy wouldn't turn into his kid form after using his Gear Third anymore after TS, all Toei staffs were like 'Oh Thank God!'".​

Another quote (rephrase) from Oda is, in which he didn't say anything about him being involved altogether in creating movie plots or any other One Piece animation (movies+specials+anime filler episodes):

"They usually came up to me, asking me several permissions and designs for some add-ons and character or info to be added in their projects."​

Oda sometimes rejected their (Toei) request, in major, still, he allowed them. Oda was as well designed the extra characters for Universal Studio Japan park: One Piece special prime theater a few times, so can we consider the plays as canon? Nope, we can't, seriously.

Strong World movie is a non-canon sequel story based on Oda's Episode 0 manga chapters, where he feels a bit sad since he can't find anywhere in his main manga to be put in there. Hence, they get separated, and Toei takes advantage of this to adapt it into a movie, and boost the sale by animating the Episode 0 too (30 minutes vid) while they're at it. Film Z is pretty much non-canon, Oda designs and control the canon info in the movie, but not the plot.

Is there anything else you guys feel confused with? Either VM me or post it below. :bouncy:

Thank you for posting, this was the most reasonable post in this entire thread.

If that is how you want determine if something canon or non-canon than I can completely agree. This makes much more sense than all the previous made up rules and regulations.

I got only one question for you, how should the information in the movie that might influence current or future plot be approached ? Stuff like Shiki, 7th shichi and all the things we previously discussed here. Clearly detailed stuff like that has been put in by Oda.

Why go in such detail when it doesn't matter for a movie ? It's clearly to foreshadow for manga events ? Does that qualify as canon material ? That is basically my question for the last 2 pages.
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[Punk Hazard]

Thank you for posting, this was the most reasonable post in this entire thread.

If that is how you want determine if something canon or non-canon than I can completely agree. This makes much more sense than all the previous made up rules and regulations.

I got only one question for you, how should the information in the movie that might influence current or future plot be approached ? Stuff like Shiki, 7th shichi and all the things we previously discussed here. Clearly detailed stuff like that has been put in by Oda.

Why go in such detail when it doesn't matter for a movie ? It's clearly to foreshadow for manga events ? Does that qualify as canon material ? That is basically my question for the last 2 pages.
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LOL exact same shit I said(events of movie are non-canon, background information can be), just goes to show where your comprehension skills fall.

There's so much detail because, even though it's just a movie, Oda still wants it to be good. I can tell you're not a writer, or you'd understand that even if it's just a spin-off or unrelated material, a writer still wants what he makes to hold up to the standards he has established for himself.

 

[Hexuze]

LOOOOOOOOOOL omg I knew Love Cook was gonna say that to listz's post or potentially bash her ( which he didn't).

 

[Punk Hazard]

Riker: Ice is cold
Love Cook: Oh God you're dumb
Listz: Ice is the opposite of hot.
Love Cook: Well when you put it that way...

 

[Listz]

Thank you for posting, this was the most reasonable post in this entire thread.

If that is how you want determine if something canon or non-canon than I can completely agree. This makes much more sense than all the previous made up rules and regulations.

I got only one question for you, how should the information in the movie that might influence current or future plot be approached ? Stuff like Shiki, 7th shichi and all the things we previously discussed here. Clearly detailed stuff like that has been put in by Oda.

Why go in such detail when it doesn't matter for a movie ? It's clearly to foreshadow for manga events ? Does that qualify as canon material ? That is basically my question for the last 2 pages.
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Emm... Riker had stated his opinion for ya. It's pretty much of that, but if you ask me, Love Cook my response is this:

Are you too fond of Oda's SBS and One Piece Data books? Once i mentioned these two stuffs, you might more or less get the idea of the answer to your question The point is that Oda looooooooves to put some details in any character he has created, even the fodder one, the weak, the insignificant, the one that barely shown but related to the important characters and so on. Whenever a fan ask him about certain someone he put in the manga, he would always explain the character's name together with some unique/funny background stories that it sometimes clearly would give big impact to the plot lol.

For instance, there's this fan ask him about a drunken man was spotted at the background during...during Arlong arc. Then he was seen a few times after that, and became quite famous through anime version among Japanese fans (since Toei staff also spot this in the manga occasionally and decided to put him more in appearances). Oda answered him, stating that the said man named Sam, a guy whom drank to waste after he came back from his daughter's marriage and ended up in Cocoyashi when everyone at the very moment was celebrating their freedom from Arlong's clutch.

Based on the above example, let's say it was the same matter to be viewed as in case of Shiki, Zephyr sensei etc we've been discussed. Oda loves to insert stories about each character he had drawn, despite either it would bring an effect or not in canon manga. It's for our own good too, at least from there we know Oda never abandoned any single character of his, and his answers in SBS can be considered valid to be used throughout the plot. I can't say much about OP data books, since they had a few contradicting information with SBS.

7th Shichibukai issue was risen up by a caring fan whom noticed we still haven't known all Shichibukai list after TS, and started to spread around. Oda hadn't mentioned anything about that, hence the reason some people felt absurd for the group that keep discussing and looking for the said candidate for now. It got increased again after Film Z released.

For your last question, such details are either to be used sooner, or later, or just FYI to the questioning fans (most probably from Japan, and we must realise that Oda got thousands of letters to the point his assistants needed to provide a specific room to store all of them in Oda's house, if i weren't mistaken. I won't be surprised if lots of them asked repetitive questions and drove Oda to entitle the names + background stories to clear things up/satisfy them). The canon info Oda put in movies are important for the movies but with different plots which not made by Oda himself. He wants to keep the originality, but at the same time, he can't fully interfere with the production team. Whoever has an experience with work adaptation between two companies will understand the contract regulation.

We still have a long way to go, approx. 10 years more for One Piece to finish so... we'll find out about them to be appeared or not through incoming pages.

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Lol Riker, is that how you view me? Well, i do fabricate the flames a lot :3

Yo Momma San, it seems he accepted it mostly =D Pour down the ice!

 

[Love Cook]

LOL exact same shit I said(events of movie are non-canon, background information can be), just goes to show where your comprehension skills fall.

There's so much detail because, even though it's just a movie, Oda still wants it to be good. I can tell you're not a writer, or you'd understand that even if it's just a spin-off or unrelated material, a writer still wants what he makes to hold up to the standards he has established for himself.

No genius, I'm not a writer. I wonder what percentage of people on this forum is a writer.

That piece of movie would've been just as good if the description about the shichi wasn't as detailed as it was. Has nothing to do with standards.

LOOOOOOOOOOL omg I knew Love Cook was gonna say that to listz's post or potentially bash her ( which he didn't).

Yeah very smart, if it wasn't the one option it would've been the other. Don't quit your day job to be a psychic just yet.

Emm... Riker had stated his opinion for ya. It's pretty much of that, but if you ask me, Love Cook my response is this:

Are you too fond of Oda's SBS and One Piece Data books? Once i mentioned these two stuffs, you might more or less get the idea of the answer to your question The point is that Oda looooooooves to put some details in any character he has created, even the fodder one, the weak, the insignificant, the one that barely shown but related to the important characters and so on. Whenever a fan ask him about certain someone he put in the manga, he would always explain the character's name together with some unique/funny background stories that it sometimes clearly would give big impact to the plot lol.

For instance, there's this fan ask him about a drunken man was spotted at the background during...during Arlong arc. Then he was seen a few times after that, and became quite famous through anime version among Japanese fans (since Toei staff also spot this in the manga occasionally and decided to put him more in appearances). Oda answered him, stating that the said man named Sam, a guy whom drank to waste after he came back from his daughter's marriage and ended up in Cocoyashi when everyone at the very moment was celebrating their freedom from Arlong's clutch.

Based on the above example, let's say it was the same matter to be viewed as in case of Shiki, Zephyr sensei etc we've been discussed. Oda loves to insert stories about each character he had drawn, despite either it would bring an effect or not in canon manga. It's for our own good too, at least from there we know Oda never abandoned any single character of his, and his answers in SBS can be considered valid to be used throughout the plot. I can't say much about OP data books, since they had a few contradicting information with SBS.

7th Shichibukai issue was risen up by a caring fan whom noticed we still haven't known all Shichibukai list after TS, and started to spread around. Oda hadn't mentioned anything about that, hence the reason some people felt absurd for the group that keep discussing and looking for the said candidate for now. It got increased again after Film Z released.

For your last question, such details are either to be used sooner, or later, or just FYI to the questioning fans (most probably from Japan, and we must realise that Oda got thousands of letters to the point his assistants needed to provide a specific room to store all of them in Oda's house, if i weren't mistaken. I won't be surprised if lots of them asked repetitive questions and drove Oda to entitle the names + background stories to clear things up/satisfy them). The canon info Oda put in movies are important for the movies but with different plots which not made by Oda himself. He wants to keep the originality, but at the same time, he can't fully interfere with the production team. Whoever has an experience with work adaptation between two companies will understand the contract regulation.

We still have a long way to go, approx. 10 years more for One Piece to finish so... we'll find out about them to be appeared or not through incoming pages.

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Lol Riker, is that how you view me? Well, i do fabricate the flames a lot :3

Yo Momma San, it seems he accepted it mostly =D Pour down the ice!

Well there are big differences between the way you worded your post and how Riker did. I can agree to this, but I can't agree to stupid. If there is a reason behind it then I can be convinced with logic but while Riker was trying to say the same thing his reasons were wrong and it wasn't logical at all.

I always read the sbs and find it interesting with all the extra information, but I don't like the databooks since they are made by Oda's assistants and they contained bad info a few times. So if anything is non-canon it's that.

I think I can agree to accept this somewhere in the middle, but I still believe that some information is left in the movies by Oda to make a return in the manga. Which would be canon since it's both made by Oda and takes place in the manga in the past, present or future.

I didn't care about the storyline to begin with, that wouldn't return to the manga in a million years. It's stuff like AoKiji appearing with half a leg, details about the shichi, what happened in Impel Down, the role of Garp and Sengoku. Those things don't really matter in the movie and COULD be left out, but they refer to canon manga events. That is the thing what makes these 2 movies different from the first 9. And that is why I called them 'canon' because they were written/overseen by Oda.

 

[Listz]

Well there are big differences between the way you worded your post and how Riker did. I can agree to this, but I can't agree to stupid. If there is a reason behind it then I can be convinced with logic but while Riker was trying to say the same thing his reasons were wrong and it wasn't logical at all.

I always read the sbs and find it interesting with all the extra information, but I don't like the databooks since they are made by Oda's assistants and they contained bad info a few times. So if anything is non-canon it's that.

I think I can agree to accept this somewhere in the middle, but I still believe that some information is left in the movies by Oda to make a return in the manga. Which would be canon since it's both made by Oda and takes place in the manga in the past, present or future.

I didn't care about the storyline to begin with, that wouldn't return to the manga in a million years. It's stuff like AoKiji appearing with half a leg, details about the shichi, what happened in Impel Down, the role of Garp and Sengoku. Those things don't really matter in the movie and COULD be left out, but they refer to canon manga events. That is the thing what makes these 2 movies different from the first 9. And that is why I called them 'canon' because they were written/overseen by Oda.

Each of us has our way to explain things, which most people prefer to have a constructive comment. It highly depends on a person whether he/she wants to read people's view or not, regardless how honest and straightforward that one can be. Also, yes, databook has flaws somewhere, so i just read them for side dishes

From your third paragraph and the last one, i'll try to sum up my own opinion as a whole. I believe what a few members have been arguing with you that the movies are non-canon, is due to the reason of taking the entire story developments in the movies. They have stated that the only canon in the movies (surely for Strong World & Film Z) are the characters' designs, and background info while the plots aren't counted in. These details are the matters they've been telling you actually, where possibly will be used in the manga sooner or later. You don't even care about those storylines since you've known they're not originally come from Oda, right?

I can't force you to agree with saying these two movies are non-canon, however let's think. "Written/Overseen by Oda" means a lot of assumptions. We all know the plots are not his, it's Toei's, so the only thing Oda owns is his characters (originality) + their respective stories, powers and ambitions + attire designs. Alright, then, let's take a look on how the stories went on till the end. Luffy won against ex-admiral Zephyr in a day? Luffy defeated the Golden Lion Shiki whom was on par with Roger under a few hours? It's gonna be a bit bad example to evaluate Luffy's power in current manga hence it's preferable to entitle the two movies as non-canon. Non-canon in terms of the story development, not the inside info which to be referred in manga.

....owww why in the world i keep posting wall of text...my bad.

 

[Gintõki1]

Each of us has our way to explain things, which most people prefer to have a constructive comment. It highly depends on a person whether he/she wants to read people's view or not, regardless how honest and straightforward that one can be. Also, yes, databook has flaws somewhere, so i just read them for side dishes

From your third paragraph and the last one, i'll try to sum up my own opinion as a whole. I believe what a few members have been arguing with you that the movies are non-canon, is due to the reason of taking the entire story developments in the movies. They have stated that the only canon in the movies (surely for Strong World & Film Z) are the characters' designs, and background info while the plots aren't counted in. These details are the matters they've been telling you actually, where possibly will be used in the manga sooner or later. You don't even care about those storylines since you've known they're not originally come from Oda, right?

I can't force you to agree with saying these two movies are non-canon, however let's think. "Written/Overseen by Oda" means a lot of assumptions. We all know the plots are not his, it's Toei's, so the only thing Oda owns is his characters (originality) + their respective stories, powers and ambitions + attire designs. Alright, then, let's take a look on how the stories went on till the end. Luffy won against ex-admiral Zephyr in a day? Luffy defeated the Golden Lion Shiki whom was on par with Roger under a few hours? It's gonna be a bit bad example to evaluate Luffy's power in current manga hence it's preferable to entitle the two movies as non-canon. Non-canon in terms of the story development, not the inside info which to be referred in manga.

....owww why in the world i keep posting wall of text...my bad.

Because you love it!!

 

[Punk Hazard]

Emm... Riker had stated his opinion for ya. It's pretty much of that, but if you ask me, Love Cook my response is this:

Are you too fond of Oda's SBS and One Piece Data books? Once i mentioned these two stuffs, you might more or less get the idea of the answer to your question The point is that Oda looooooooves to put some details in any character he has created, even the fodder one, the weak, the insignificant, the one that barely shown but related to the important characters and so on. Whenever a fan ask him about certain someone he put in the manga, he would always explain the character's name together with some unique/funny background stories that it sometimes clearly would give big impact to the plot lol.

For instance, there's this fan ask him about a drunken man was spotted at the background during...during Arlong arc. Then he was seen a few times after that, and became quite famous through anime version among Japanese fans (since Toei staff also spot this in the manga occasionally and decided to put him more in appearances). Oda answered him, stating that the said man named Sam, a guy whom drank to waste after he came back from his daughter's marriage and ended up in Cocoyashi when everyone at the very moment was celebrating their freedom from Arlong's clutch.

Based on the above example, let's say it was the same matter to be viewed as in case of Shiki, Zephyr sensei etc we've been discussed. Oda loves to insert stories about each character he had drawn, despite either it would bring an effect or not in canon manga. It's for our own good too, at least from there we know Oda never abandoned any single character of his, and his answers in SBS can be considered valid to be used throughout the plot. I can't say much about OP data books, since they had a few contradicting information with SBS.

7th Shichibukai issue was risen up by a caring fan whom noticed we still haven't known all Shichibukai list after TS, and started to spread around. Oda hadn't mentioned anything about that, hence the reason some people felt absurd for the group that keep discussing and looking for the said candidate for now. It got increased again after Film Z released.

For your last question, such details are either to be used sooner, or later, or just FYI to the questioning fans (most probably from Japan, and we must realise that Oda got thousands of letters to the point his assistants needed to provide a specific room to store all of them in Oda's house, if i weren't mistaken. I won't be surprised if lots of them asked repetitive questions and drove Oda to entitle the names + background stories to clear things up/satisfy them). The canon info Oda put in movies are important for the movies but with different plots which not made by Oda himself. He wants to keep the originality, but at the same time, he can't fully interfere with the production team. Whoever has an experience with work adaptation between two companies will understand the contract regulation.

We still have a long way to go, approx. 10 years more for One Piece to finish so... we'll find out about them to be appeared or not through incoming pages.

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Lol Riker, is that how you view me? Well, i do fabricate the flames a lot :3

Yo Momma San, it seems he accepted it mostly =D Pour down the ice!

Ah, it wasn't an insult, sorry if you got that impression.

No genius, I'm not a writer. I wonder what percentage of people on this forum is a writer.

That piece of movie would've been just as good if the description about the shichi wasn't as detailed as it was. Has nothing to do with standards.

I didn't say that bit about a writer for no reason. How many people on this site that are writers isn't part of my point(You really like arguing with shit that has nothing to do with what the person said). The point is, that most writers treat their written works as a craft. Oda is definitely one of them. I said it's obvious you aren't a writer because you don't seem to know of or understand this attitude, that whatever you write is an extension of you and is your art. Oda is a workaholic and a perfectionist, I think we both can agree that Oda treats his manga as a craft, which entails a standard you have set for yourself. Almost all writers have a standard for themselves that they wish to stick to so they can keep true to their style. Sure, Oda can give us plain characters without much backstory and personality, but he won't because that's not his style. Shiki and Z each had such an elaborate backstory that connected with the plot because that's just Oda's style of writing, that's his standard.

 

[WhistleBlower]

Movies cannon or not cannon? Does this even matter?

Just watch them and enjoy them for more OnePiece action. You guys are fighting over such a trivial matter Lol

 

[Punk Hazard]

Movies cannon or not cannon? Does this even matter?

Just watch them for more OnePiece action. You guys are fighting over such a trivial thing Lol

That pretty much sums the entire forum brah

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Movies cannon or not cannon? Does this even matter?

Just watch them and enjoy them for more OnePiece action. You guys are fighting over such a trivial matter Lol

That pretty much sums the entire forum brah

He changed "thing" to "matter" in his post, lets fight about that!