☢ Sasuke's S/T jutsu and attack speed are superior to Naruto's speed ☢

[KidGamer65]

The reason why Sasuke missed was because of gravity. Naruto can fly and he was below Kaguya. Sasuke's S/T jutsu has a limit, therefore when Sasuke charged, he was right near Kaguya, but not close enough for him to have made a successful hit. Kaguya saw Sasuke at the last moment and changed dimensions. Naruto was mad and got excited so he chopped off Kaguya's arm out of Naruto trying to prove a point for the story. This does not conclude that Naruto's shunshin is faster than Sasuke's S/T because they were both in different terrain gravitational situations, Zetsu was busy talking about Obito, and Naruto clearly has the advantage in the sky when it pertained to Kaguya.

Wrong.

1. Sasuke lunged his hand downward to hit her, if gravity was dragging him down, then it'd drag his arm toward her quicker than normal. And it affects her too, so I don't see how this is relevant. Its not like when she switched, she was free of the gravitational pull while he wasn't.

2. Sasuke missed her because he was too slow. Even if the gravity was dragging him down, she switched, which means everything was made neutral for the both of them and she still evaded him, so there is no excuse that can be made here. He tried to hit her and he missed. Naruto tried to hit her, and he didn't.

3. That panel is the clearest panel we'll get and it clearly shows that Naruto's Shunshin+Attack is faster than Sasuke's S/T+Attack, as he blitzed the same Kaguya that Sasuke failed to tag. Where did the bold come from? Naruto doesn't have some aerial advantage that allowed him to tag her, he did it because he's faster.

Ianakui already made it clear why the rest of your post is false.

 

[Conspirator.]

Sasuke's S/T is faster than Naruto's speed obviously(you can't really be faster than instant), however his attack speed is not. This is proven when he tried to attack Kaguya in the gravity dimension and failed. The gravity was affecting EVERYONE not just Sasuke, so I fail to see how it makes it harder to attack her. Meanwhile Naruto successfully landed an attack on Kaguya.

 

[Xlad]

Btw, gravity wasn't in effect anymore because Naruto's Truth Seekers were floating on his back again. When her gravity ability was in effect, his orbs were implanted to the ground.

 

[Ambivalence]

I don't know if i agree, i tend to rely more on instances where the S/T and attack speed of both characters are actually used against one another, instead of speculating. One thing is for sure, though - i don't hate you. : )

Kaguya/BZ already said naruto's reactions are superior to Sasuke's(hence sasuke getting dropped of in a desert while naruto dodges like Floyd) so manga> you on that regard.

Complete BS, that chapter where Sasuke got dumped in the desert was the starting point of all these "Naruto's reflexes>Sasuke's", when it's pretty obvious fans just close their eyes to the easy to grasp truth - Naruto was just as surprised as Sasuke when he was pulled in, if Kaguya was aiming for Naruto, the result would have been the same. After that, since Naruto already saw what she can do, he was much more on guard, thus didn't let her warp him. It has little to do with Naruto's reflexes being greater than Sasuke's...

 

[Dannie]

"HUR DUR GRAVITY NERED SASUKE."

Cry some more OP.

I think you are the one crying.

hory shot didnt read. naruto bltzed kaguya, sasuke got pulled into another dimension. mangafax

If you didn't read then you cant comment.
@bold: already countered.

Brilliant thread, Just watch out for them butthurt nardo fans tho...

They are already here bro, but thanks.

I don't think that anyone ever questioned that Sasuke's Rinnegan technique was faster than Naruto. It's just that Naruto has more sustained speed, so Naruto is faster than Sasuke over large spans of time/distance.

If they were to race on pure foot then yes, Naruto would win, but Sasuke's S/T is all around faster than Naruto.

I don't feel like reading this.
Kaguya/BZ already said naruto's reactions are superior to Sasuke's(hence sasuke getting dropped of in a desert while naruto dodges like Floyd) so manga> you on that regard.

Naruto and Sasuke both got blitzed. Kaguya wanted to separate Sasuke and Naruto so she grabbed Sasuke only. Naruto dodged only after Sasuke got caught the first time, so he knew not to get caught again.

Naruto hit the much faster kaguya multiple times where as sasuke could only touch her once. So attack speed goes to naruto as well.

Naruto is deceptive. That's not the same thing as attack speed.
Also, Naruto's harem jutsu distracted Kaguya. She became puzzled for a moment for Naruto to strike. I wouldn't call that a speed feat. The only feat he has is blitzing Kaguya's arm off, but I have already stated my take on that.

Coupled with that shitty s/t's cooldown it's pretty much useless in the naruto vs sauce fight.

Shitty? Figured I'm wasting my time with you.
Sasuke could easily swap Naruto to another space and attack him like that. If Naruto doesn't get inside of Sasuke's range then he's fine. If not, then the favor goes to Le Sauce.

So is susanoo, chakra arms rip it apart.

Chakra arms can't do anything to PS, especially if it can fly and dodge. Get real.

But like in all of sasuke's fights he's gonna gain some ability mid fight that will save his ass.

He's not Kakashi. He doesn't gain asspulls in the middle of combat.

all of this is irrelevant. characters donʻt always move at their fastest speeds, there are times when people like gaara moves as fast as KCM Naruto.

And when has that ever happened?

You take the best speed feat from both characters and compare them to one another.

And Naruto's best speed feat pales to Sasuke's left eye S/T.

Not only that, but both Naruto and Sasuke were learning to use their powers as the fight progressed so feats in the beginning of the fight are not indicative of a characterʻs upper limits in the later part of the fight.

How very funny of you to say that when you are the main representative to deny what Sasuke and Naruto had displayed against Madara. Sasuke's feats versus Naruto's feats against Madara. Yeah, of course you would hide from it.

The thing is though, Kaguya calls Naruto fast. She gave naruto speed hype while Sasuke only gets his speed hype from 1 eyeʻd rinnegan madara. That clearly puts Naruto above Sasuke in terms of verbal speed hype.

Hype is hype and what Naruto displayed can't touch Sasuke within his range.

Sasukeʻs S/T jutsu will always be faster than Narutoʻs raw speed since S/T is instant.

This is all I needed, so everything you said above is pretty much discarded.

Naruto was surprised by his S/T because he didnʻt know sasuke was using S/T. Sasukeʻs S/T is faster than narutoʻs movement speed, but it doesnʻt mean heʻs going to blitz naruto since it involves moving from A to B and THEN attacking.

Your excuse is pitiful. You are trying to substitute Naruto's lack of awareness and ability to keep up with ignorance of the ability? The fact is that Naruto didn't know what happened so he wouldn't have been able to dodge that even if he was Madara.

This kid... He is neglecting the fact that Naruto did very well against Madara.

Sasuke's performance was better.

Kid you only see what you want to see and the only reason you give Naruto a compliment in Kaguya fight is because you are afraid the mods would say that you do character bashing.

I don't care about the mods or what they think, but your opinion at this point is pretty retarded.

Actually you aer just a Sfanboy.

Spell fanboy.

Naruto stormed Madara and the tree with rasengan and Madara didn't die. Sasuke cut Madara in half and didn't die. I'd give 50-50 to both against Madara. Manga Facts.

Manga facts would suggest that Sasuke damaged Madara twice and chopped off his legs while catching up to him with pure foot speed. Naruto only managed to blitz the Madara that came out of his battle with Gai, which is a weaker form than the one that Sasuke cut.

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Not quite.

Sasuke S/T is instant . However Naruto got better reactions and more foot speed . Naruto can easily react to that S/T and once that S/T Technique is on CD Naruto Blitzes.

How can Naruto react to something that is instant?

O boy, truley dilusional.

Spell delusional.

ohhh another sasuke fanboy trying to fool himself FYI sasuke will fail... and then kaguya's space and time is faster than sasuke's yet kaguya said naruto's reflex is just awesome... another fail thread

I'm not fooling anyone. You are only fooling yourself into thinking that I am fooling myself.
And Sasuke will not fail. He is just getting started.

Another fail member.

The attacking at the same time argument? Lol Really? Your first half is completely insignificant since nobody moves at their fastest all the time. Juubito has only a couple of speed feats. Juudara has no footspeed feats at all. Does that mean they can't move at their fastest? Character A only having a few speed feats doesn't change the fact that it's there. Not only that, Naruto's cloak speed is completely misinterpreted as running speed it's clearly the enhanced body flicker.

Edit: Scratch that. Over 69% of this is completely based on that argument.

Your whole post is irrelevant. It's like you didn't even pay attention to what I said.
Naruto can't react to Sasuke's S/T within his radius. Period.

and again sasuke's rinnegan has limits.. it gets tired you forgot to mention that

I don't need to mention that because it has nothing to do with anything.
Sasuke's S/T is still faster. That's the main point.

That was a nice read but I still think Sasuke is only faster than Naruto over distances within the range of his space-time jutsu. Anything farther than that, Naruto wins. Though, as you said, people need to stop using that scan of Kaguya dodging Sasuke's attack to justify that Sasuke's speed is inferior.

The only logical post I have seen. Thanks.

Sasuke's teleportation>Naruto's speed

Naruto's reflexes and sensory skills>Sasuke's teleportation

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Naruto was catching sakura and just used madara as a bounce board dude. Use your brain

Can you repeat that?

Madara was curious to know the ability of sasuke's left eye.Try harder

Nice excuse.

Agreed. Naruto has the speed of a turtle when compared to Sasuke's FTi capabilities (faster than instant) speed.

Already seeing buttcramped fanboys here.

Yeah , I can't make a Sasuke thread without getting bashed for my life. Shameful.

 

[SuperChief]

Nothing you've written is of any value since you insist Sasuke bisecting Madara is an actual feat when that's been debunked many times over.

 

[ᖇ α z m α η]

Although its true, Sasuke Space time technique > Narutos speed

The cool-down period/limited range makes it hard to sustain during a prolonged battle [Which limits the efficiency] .​

 

[Sennin of Logic]

They're trying so hard..........


Well, all of us knew that technically ST makes for faster attacks. When we say Naruto's faster, we are, for the most part, excluding Sasuke's ST to focus on Naruto's physical potential. So I won't argue you about the ST, but will argue against the faulty reasoning about the physical speed that you've made.


Madara examples. Sigh. I wounder why Sasuke fans always conveniently forget that Naruto had to deal with the Limbo clone while Sasuke didn't because Naruto sealed it. Look at this for a moment.

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Do you see Madara defending himself other than limbo? No. Arguably, Naruto would have landed a hit if it weren't for limbo. In any case, you cannot compare the 2 instances since Naruto had an obstacle to overcome while Sasuke did not.


Uh, Sasuke charged against Madara without hesitation, while Naruto was shocked to see Sakura hurt.

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For TBBRS, first point is debatable, the second one is laughable. TBBRS expand for a period of time. It could have just hit the meteors, or was expanded for a bit, and some other meteors landed on it. We also only saw it after the fact, when the meteors are already destroyed, not when it was in progress.


The second point about this is just blatant misdirection that ignored the manga. Of course Naruto missed Sasuke. "I must be careful to not his Sasuke."-Naruto. Naruto was aiming AWAY from Sasuke. This is like saying, "Oh, I dodged a bunch of baseballs that were aimed at the batter behind me, I must be faster than baseballs!"



As for reaction, sorry, this is flat-out false. There's a specific reason why Naruto didn't react.

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"What are you doing, not me!" Naruto thought he was fine, but was trying to figure out a way to save Kakashi and Sakura. This was before he knew how to fly, and he didn't have any flying summons like Sasuke.


Sasuke teleporting behind Naruto. He didn't react because he wasn't on guard against Sasuke, he was concerned and working with him. That and he FORGOT about his ST. Now, it wouldn't catch him off-guard since he's fully aware of what Sasuke can do.

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As for Kaguya's ST. Sorry, but you have no choice but to accept Naruto had superior reaction time.

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Naruto reacted to Kaguya's ST not once, but twice. This is not luck, it's consistent. Naruto has better reactions, deal with it.

 

[BraveStorm]

Are you serious OP? there where so many factors that led Sasuke hit Madara. First of all he was bussy putting a damn eye in his socket, while vs Naruto he was on full alert. Sasuke hit Madara from behind. and btw Kaguya > Madara's speed.

OT: Shit post.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Not one of these threads, time to use manga facts to show Naruto being faster I guess. First off Naruto's full speed in KM is compared to Minato's FTG as you only see a yellow flash. So KM full speed is on par with Sasuke's s/t jutsu and his speed only increase with BM and RM. We clearly see Naruto's speed increase from his powerups that actually enhance his physical capabilities. Show me 1 scan of Sasuke getting any training to improve his base speed or 1 power up that does enhance his speed since his fight with A, you can't so Sasuke base speed is below A's. Naruto wasn't that great at using his full speed but became a bit better as he fought Kaguya, before that he only used it 4x (Kisame, A, Bijuus, Obito/Madara) and never used it until he was revived.

As we saw again A, Naruto can increase his speed to become even faster as he told himself that he had to go faster to past him which he eventually do. Naruto's sensory skills are the best and he'll sense Sasuke as soon as he teleports then use his superior reaction and speed to dodge.

Kinda sad you're using Madara examples when everyone knows he was nerfed. 1 eye Madara beats both Sasuke and Naruto pretty easily with no plot causing him to not use jutsus we clearly see him use. Where's Madara's wood clones, wood jutsus, katon jutsus, Rinnegan jutsus (Deva, weapon, summon, absorb ninjutsu), or his Susanoo? Madara could have easily made 25 wood clones as Edo Madara did against the 5 Kages, the clones can use all of Madara's jutsus so that's 26 Limbos in all plus 26 Madara's all fighting Naruto and Sasuke. Deva path repels any jutsu or pulls in Naruto and/or Sasuke as the clones attack them. Sasuke's PS? That was upgraded with half of the Sage power while Madara is a complete Sage so his would be further upgraded than Sasuke's. Sasuke going in to cut Madara is stopped by Susanoo or Deva path which Kishi made Madara not use after becoming Juubi Jin. Plus everyone know Madara slow down since he had to make sure he pulled Kakashi eye out without damaging it plus if he was going any super speed then Kakashi neck would have snapped or ripped off.

 

[UzumakiWade]

You want a cookie?

Naruto's foot speed >>>>> Sasuke's footspeed

Sasuke's S/T > Naruto's footspeed.

However Naruto has the reflexes and a fast-enough reaction time to keep up with Sasuke's S/T so its not a big problem for Naruto.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Not one of these threads, time to use manga facts to show Naruto being faster I guess. First off Naruto's full speed in KM is compared to Minato's FTG as you only see a yellow flash. So KM full speed is on par with Sasuke's s/t jutsu and his speed only increase with BM and RM. We clearly see Naruto's speed increase from his powerups that actually enhance his physical capabilities. Show me 1 scan of Sasuke getting any training to improve his base speed or 1 power up that does enhance his speed since his fight with A, you can't so Sasuke base speed is below A's. Naruto wasn't that great at using his full speed but became a bit better as he fought Kaguya, before that he only used it 4x (Kisame, A, Bijuus, Obito/Madara) and never used it until he was revived.

As we saw again A, Naruto can increase his speed to become even faster as he told himself that he had to go faster to past him which he eventually do. Naruto's sensory skills are the best and he'll sense Sasuke as soon as he teleports then use his superior reaction and speed to dodge.

Kinda sad you're using Madara examples when everyone knows he was nerfed. 1 eye Madara beats both Sasuke and Naruto pretty easily with no plot causing him to not use jutsus we clearly see him use. Where's Madara's wood clones, wood jutsus, katon jutsus, Rinnegan jutsus (Deva, weapon, summon, absorb ninjutsu), or his Susanoo? Madara could have easily made 25 wood clones as Edo Madara did against the 5 Kages, the clones can use all of Madara's jutsus so that's 26 Limbos in all plus 26 Madara's all fighting Naruto and Sasuke. Deva path repels any jutsu or pulls in Naruto and/or Sasuke as the clones attack them. Sasuke's PS? That was upgraded with half of the Sage power while Madara is a complete Sage so his would be further upgraded than Sasuke's. Sasuke going in to cut Madara is stopped by Susanoo or Deva path which Kishi made Madara not use after becoming Juubi Jin. Plus everyone know Madara slow down since he had to make sure he pulled Kakashi eye out without damaging it plus if he was going any super speed then Kakashi neck would have snapped or ripped off.

Can't be faster than instant .
Sasuke's base speed was stated to be godlike back in Hebi days Hebi Sasuke used his speed more than MS or perhaps EMS Sasuke.
It's been stated in the databooks that Sasuke's hobby is training, the name of the series is Naruto so of course Sasuke's training would be offpanel most of the time, he always meditates in his free time.

 

[spade3dg]

Op you make good points but let's not forget Naruto wasnt at full power. He had a shadow clone out meaning his power was split so he couldn't use his chakra enhanced speed to the fullest. Sasuke had been shown to move gayer and react beget than Naruto throughout the whole series but Narutos speed had caught up. Like when he saved Sakura from Sasuke cutting her.

and the pic you showed with the two attacking Madara. He was focused more on saving Sakura then attacking.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Can't be faster than instant .
Sasuke's base speed was stated to be godlike back in Hebi days Hebi Sasuke used his speed more than MS or perhaps EMS Sasuke.
It's been stated in the databooks that Sasuke's hobby is training, the name of the series is Naruto so of course Sasuke's training would be offpanel most of the time, he always meditates in his free time.

You also can't shoot black flames out your eyes, walk on trees or water and a ton of things they do in Naruto. Naruto have the power of the strongest Bijuu and uses that chakra to increase his speed. Naruto gained access to all of Kurama's chakra which increased his speed and power even more, Naruto's speed is also constant so he can keep moving in that speed where as a a teleporter have to keep using their jutsu to continue that speed.

Sasuke stopped training after he sealed Orochimaru inside himself, since that point he was only given power and mastered those powers in combat. He was on the main focus of finding Itachi, killing him, joining Akatsuki, trying to get revenge on Konoha. He did no training after leaving Orochimaru since we only see him look for his targets, rest and recover after that fight, move on to the next target. Sasuke was using his speed with Bee and A but relied on his Sharingan to try and read their moves but as Lee said in part 1, it doesn't matter if you can see his movement, if you can't react to his speed then seeing it is useless.

Sasuke's hobby changed obviously, we always saw, got a glimpse, or it was mentioned in some way whoever Sasuke trained as it showed us when he trained to learn fire ball jutsu, trained to walk on trees, training with Kakashi, training by himself with chidori, training with Orochimaru more than once. Never ever shown Sasuke training or anything since leaving Orochimaru. All Naruto did was train, rest, train, mission, train, fight, repeat. Sasuke is like Vegeta/Hiei, he will get surpassed by the main character but still be on the same level.

 

[Sakura x Ino]

Lord Teuchi > Prime Danzo > Current Naruto > Current Sasuke
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[lanakui8]

And when has that ever happened?

When theyʻre both running to the battlefield. Then thereʻs KCM Naruto and kakashi moving at the same speed, kcm naruto and bee moving at the same speed, kcm naruto and obito moving at the same speed, kcm naruto moving slower than cloaked fodder alliance members, etc.

Plus iʻm guessing you agree with my argument since you havenʻt refuted the claim that characters donʻt always move at their fastest speeds. If you do agree with that, then all I have to do is bring up Sasukeʻs lowest speed showing, compare that to Narutoʻs highest speed showing and that proves Naruto is faster than Sasuke.

And Naruto's best speed feat pales to Sasuke's left eye S/T.

no it doesnʻt as sasuke has never done anything comparable to blitzing kaguya from 30+ meters away. However, his movement from point A to point B is by default faster than NArutoʻs movement from A to B because itʻs S/T.

How very funny of you to say that when you are the main representative to deny what Sasuke and Naruto had displayed against Madara. Sasuke's feats versus Naruto's feats against Madara. Yeah, of course you would hide from it.

Iʻm not denying any of those feats, Iʻm stating that if naruto performs a far GREATER feat than what he did to madara, then obviously what he did to madara is not indicative of his true capabilities, all it is is a lower limit speed feat because characters donʻt always move at their fastest speeds. Considering I literally stated this and youʻve just blatantly ignored it, thatʻs you conceding this argument and therefore Narutoʻs lower speed showings against madara have nothing to do with naruto using his top speed.

Hype is hype and what Naruto displayed can't touch Sasuke within his range.

Since none of this has anything to do with my argument that Narutoʻs speed gets greater verbal hype than Sasukeʻs, then youʻve conceded this as well as an ignored argument is a conceded one.

This is all I needed, so everything you said above is pretty much discarded.

So youʻve conceded then that Sasukeʻs movement from point A to B is only faster than narutoʻs speed, not his movement from A to B + attacking someone?

Your excuse is pitiful. You are trying to substitute Naruto's lack of awareness and ability to keep up with ignorance of the ability? The fact is that Naruto didn't know what happened so he wouldn't have been able to dodge that even if he was Madara.

Iʻm not trying to substitute anything. Naruto clearly wasnʻt aware of what ability sasuke was using, madara who had a better view of what was going on questioned what Sasuke was even using. This is proven by the fact that after the first chapter that introduced sasukeʻs S/T, Naruto is no longer surprised at Sasukeʻs S/T tech since he knows what it does.

 

[Xlad]

Your whole post is irrelevant. It's like you didn't even pay attention to what I said.
Naruto can't react to Sasuke's S/T within his radius. Period.

Which is exactly why I edited it from 50% to 69% (Number was for the lulz). I am not even sure where to start or if its even worth countering this entire thread

Except Space Time Ninjutsu aren't instant at all. By definition, they use the subspace to move from Point A-B. In other words they use

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All Space Time users can only go from Point A-B and then attack.
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Sasuke has to teleport from A to B, and then has to attack. Even Kaguya saw through it and Naruto was noted by Black Zetsu and the old hag herself to be fast and reflexive. She was proven right later when

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. She couldn't even do anything to stop it from happening. Should I make an explanation that Sasuke's lightning affinity allows him to pierce Ei's Lightning Armor if Ei's statement completely made that point irrelevant? No, as it's not actual proof that cancels out his statement.

 

[RikudoKami]

Sage mode virtually makes Naruto the strongest, then throw in the power of all nine tailed beasts... Once he fully comprehends battle, he'll be able tocasuallykeep the world safe from impending Doom.

 

[Rikodou Juubi]

People keep saying that Sasuke can just teleport with his eye but that's wrong. He needs to swap with something else

 

[Sharingan King]

Beautiful thread.

Naruto failed to react to Sasuke's S/T on multiple occasions. Why do people think Naruto can magically react to it now?

IMO Sasuke's S/T is still very deadly to Naruto.