Taijutsu, normal chakra and sage chakra

[Joseph Gomes]

Are Taijutsu attacks chakra based moves? If so, why do they affect Juubi jinchuriki and normal chakra-based jutsu don't? If not, what form of energy source is used for taijutsu technique? Is it physical stamina? If somebody in NV has stamina, how does it relate to chakra, and differ from it?

We were not told in the manga if everybody in NV has chakra, because Kaguya is not the mother of human race. For everybody in NV to have chakra, Kaguya's descendents must have mated with every single normal human on the planet. This lack of explanation is baffling

In DBZ and Bleach, reiatsu and ki are energy gauge for characters
In One Piece, haki is more of a technique than energy gauge
In Narutoverse, chakra is a combination of both, yet neither of them

Chakra from what I see is incredibly complex and stupid concept, because the variety and inconsistency it has. The difference between normal chakra vs sage chakra is purely retarded. A planetary scale jinton would not kill a juubi jinchuriki, whereas an island level taijutsu attack (stronger version of night elephant) or sage powered chakra attack (lava frs) would certainly kill any juubi jinchuriki

Chakra is the only reason I don't create threads involving Naruto characters in multiverse thread, because of its origin and how it affects other people in NV (like genjutsu).

So can anybody please explain what is the energy source for a taijutsu move which are not enhanced by chakra (like Sakura's punch)?

 

[Xlad]

There is stamina. Stamina = Physical + Spirtual energy. Chakra is amount of energy converted from stamina used to perform Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. Taijutsu doesn't use chakra; otherwise Guy's Daytime Tiger would be absorbed by Kisame's chakra absorbing shark.

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[Seventh Sama]

Pure blunt force.

And no, Hagoromo gave people chakra.

 

[Seventh Sama]

There is stamina. Stamina = Physical + Spirtual energy. Chakra is amount of energy converted from stamina used to perform Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. Taijutsu doesn't use chakra; otherwise Guy's Daytime Tiger would be absorbed by Kisame's chakra absorbing shark.

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^This is correct.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

There is stamina. Stamina = Physical + Spirtual energy. Chakra is amount of energy converted from stamina used to perform Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. Taijutsu doesn't use chakra; otherwise Guy's Daytime Tiger would be absorbed by Kisame's chakra absorbing shark.

Thanks for your reply. Where did you get the conversion from? And I never understood how two types of energy source (chakra and stamina) can exist at the same time, where both work differently from the other. Not to mention even in chakra there are two types (normal and sage chakra)

Chakra is NV is the worst type of energy source I have seen, I can't relate it to reiatsu, haki or ki. Too much contradiction and nonsense

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Pure blunt force.

And no, Hagoromo gave people chakra.

Hagoromo distributed chakra to every single person in NV?

 

[paratise]

Lets say i have the ability of absorbing water (chakra in NV) based attacks.

If you attack me with a plastic bottle filled with water i can not absorb the attack.

Chakra is needed internally for a person even in taijutsu, it is basicly life force for doing things.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Hagoromo distributed chakra to every single person in NV?

Well I guess.
how else would animals have chakra?
He connected everyone with their spiritual energy via ninshu but they wanted to get stronger so they mixed their physical energy and spiritual energy together and got chakra as an end result. This let them be able to use ninjutsu.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Lets say i have the ability of absorbing water (chakra in NV) based attacks.

If you attack me with a plastic bottle filled with water i can not absorb the attack.

Chakra is needed internally for a person even in taijutsu, it is basicly life force for doing things.

How did people live without this life force before Kaguya ate the forbidden fruit? Most people who're not ninja or politically involved don't even know how to use chakra. Is it really the life force? Doesn't seem like it

 

[Xlad]

Thanks for your reply. Where did you get the conversion from? And I never understood how two types of energy source (chakra and stamina) can exist at the same time, where both work differently from the other. Not to mention even in chakra there are two types (normal and sage chakra)

Chakra is NV is the worst type of energy source I have seen, I can't relate it to reiatsu, haki or ki. Too much contradiction and nonsense

I got it from the graph. Chakra comes from stamina, which is spiritual and physical energy put together. They don't actually exist together in a sense. Sage Chakra from what I can tell consists of Chakra+Natural Energy. It also seems to require conversion of stamina into an amount of chakra first before balancing it with natural energy.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Well I guess.
how else would animals have chakra?
He connected everyone with their spiritual energy via ninshu but they wanted to get stronger so they mixed their physical energy and spiritual energy together and got chakra as an end result. This let them be able to use ninjutsu.

Hagoromo connected to everyone via ninshu? And what is that? So basically ninshu allows you to give alien powers to every living creature on the planet? Really absurd, considering it wasn't explained how hagoromo does it, and why only he knows it.

So if you can take chakra to everybody, then you can also take it back right? That's what Kaguya was trying to do, and I guess it wouldn't kill anybody if all the chakra is taken away from him/her. Is that correct? Which means you don't need chakra to live, and it's not necessary?

 

[paratise]

How did people live without this life force before Kaguya ate the forbidden fruit? Most people who're not ninja or politically involved don't even know how to use chakra. Is it really the life force? Doesn't seem like it

Technically we do not know how to use our blood but we would die wo it. Same goes for civilians in NV whether they know to use chakra or not.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I got it from the graph. Chakra comes from stamina, which is spiritual and physical energy put together. They don't actually exist together in a sense. Sage Chakra from what I can tell consists of Chakra+Natural Energy. It also seems to require conversion of stamina into an amount of chakra first before balancing it with natural energy.

Well they don't exist together but they certainly are completely different from the other, which means they're actually distinct power source in the end.

These combination is actually very confusing because it affects the effect of a technique whether it would affect the enemy or not. Considering chakra based attacks are superior to purely stamina based attacks like taijutsu (because of consisting of both physical and mental energy), I don't understand why taijutsu affect juubi jin but chakra based jutsu don't, as chakra is superior form of energy source. Or is it not?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Technically we do not know how to use our blood but we would die wo it. Same goes for civilians in NV whether they know to use chakra or not.

Well blood existed in our body before hagoromo gave it to us. Chakra didn't, people were still alive and breathing before Kaguya became rabbit goddess

 

[Seventh Sama]

Well, J-man did say the sage traveled the world to spread his religion (I.e ninshu).

And I kinda got it right.

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[Xlad]

Well they don't exist together but they certainly are completely different from the other, which means they're actually distinct power source in the end.

These combination is actually very confusing because it affects the effect of a technique whether it would affect the enemy or not. Considering chakra based attacks are superior to purely stamina based attacks like taijutsu (because of consisting of both physical and mental energy), I don't understand why taijutsu affect juubi jin but chakra based jutsu don't, as chakra is superior form of energy source. Or is it not?

That's pretty much fictional logic for you. Lol First of all, what makes Juubi Jins immune to ninjutsu is Onmyoudon, which is a technique that cancels out Ninjutsu. The best conclusion is that Onmyoudon can only cancel out Chakra-based attacks (Excluding Senjutsu), and not physical attacks like Taijutsu, since stamina is only used within the body not out of it.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Well, J-man did say the sage traveled the world to spread his religion (I.e ninshu).

And I kinda got it right.

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Thanks for the scan. Rep+

Still doesn't show however if chakra is the life force or not, and if it's anything more than an extra ability than source of power (we have stamina as the basic source of power, and people can live without chakra)

That's pretty much fictional logic for you. Lol First of all, what makes Juubi Jins immune to ninjutsu is Onmyoudon, which is a technique that cancels out Ninjutsu. The best conclusion is that Onmyoudon can only cancel out Chakra-based attacks (Excluding Senjutsu), and not physical attacks like Taijutsu, since stamina is only used within the body not out of it.

Really absurd, what makes senjutsu so special that onmyoudon can't cancel it? What is onmyoudon in the first place actually? It actually adds more confusion to the already absurd concept of chakra. Ridiculous

My issue is with the 3 different types of power source that are used for attacks, ie. stamina, normal chakra and sage chakra. Having 3 different types of power source for moves is dumb. That's why I dislike the concept of chakra compared to reiatsu, ki or haki. Reiatsu itself is ridiculous (being invisible to ordinary people), but nothing compared to chakra in NV

 

[Xlad]

Thanks for the scan. Rep+

Still doesn't show however if chakra is the life force or not, and if it's anything more than an extra ability than source of power (we have stamina as the basic source of power, and people can live without chakra)



Really absurd, what makes senjutsu so special that onmyoudon can't cancel it? What is onmyoudon in the first place actually? It actually adds more confusion to the already absurd concept of chakra. Ridiculous

Onmyoudon itself is a sage-based attack. It cannot cancel out Senjutsu attack because two forces of natural energies are being clashed together.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Onmyoudon itself is a sage-based attack. It cannot cancel out Senjutsu attack because two forces of natural energies are being clashed together.

I get it now, still it's really stupid to have 3 different power source in a single manga. This is the primary reason why I don't use Naruto characters in multiverse V/S threads, because characters like Itachi get beaten to pulp against character with better feats because genjutsu doesn't work on other characters outside NV, and most debaters don't approve of chakra being equalizer compared to reaitsu/haki/ki, because chakra works in completely different way than power sources in other verses