The Kamui dimension seems to have a denser dimensional barrier than kaguya's worlds

[Gerkak]

As we know team 7, the bijuu and madara were brought back to the normal world via the rikudo's summoning jutsu

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Sasuke was also able to use a summoning jutsu within kaguya's dimension. Even kakashi was surprised that sasuke was able to do that.

Now, why is the dimensional barrier of the kamui dimension denser than that of kaguya's worlds?

The reason lies in the relationship between the summoning jutsu and FTG.

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From the above, we can see that The principle of the hiraishin is similar to the summoning jutsu.

Minato and naruto teleported everyone that had naruto's chakra outside obito's barrier

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Kakashi( who was in the kamui world) was not teleported or summoned to minato's FTG kunai locations despite possessing naruto's chakra, infact his chakra didn't even get replenished.

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This goes to show that, summoning jutsu and FTG cannot be used to summon something to the kamui dimension or be used to reverse summon or teleport someone outside of it. This also reaffirms the point that only obito's eyes can warp someone or something in and out of the kamui world. The only explanation I can think of at the moment is that the kamui world shares a denser dimensional barrier with the normal world and kaguya's worlds than the dimensional barriers shared between the normal world and kaguya's worlds

Thoughts? Feel free to tell me what you think. *_*

 

[Kai NB]

It seems like a stretch to me. I feel as though Kakashi wasn't summoned from the Kamui dimension because everyone else was preoccupied.

The reason I say it is possible is because Kaguya's dimensional warping seems like an upgrade to Kamui. The fact that Obito was able to "sync" his Kamui with her dimensions reassures me more.

Still, nice idea.

 

[riley freeman]

Nice theory, but I think kakashi couldn't reverse summon or summon because of plot

 

[AlphaScythian]

I think that kaguya dimensions resonate more with NV one, Obito's dimension is dark and void space with either stone or metal cubes nothing alike.
Basically kaguya worlds are synced with the real one whist Obito's isnt.

 

[Gerkak]

I think that kaguya dimensions resonate more with NV one, Obito's dimension is dark and void space with either stone or metal cubes nothing alike.
Basically kaguya worlds are synced with the real one whist Obito's isnt.

Yes, you may be correct.

 

[SSU]

For some reason I think Kaguya's dimensions are actually other planets in the same dimension. Since they are different planets, they would have different environments (like the acid water and excess gravity) So it was easier to teleport everyone from Kaguya because they were in the same dimension. I think of Kamui land as another dimension, like the shadow realm.

 

[Gerkak]

For some reason I think Kaguya's dimensions are actually other planets in the same dimension. Since they are different planets, they would have different environments (like the acid water and excess gravity) So it was easier to teleport everyone from Kaguya because they were in the same dimension. I think of Kamui land as another dimension, like the shadow realm.

Interesting thought.

 

[Kai NB]

For some reason I think Kaguya's dimensions are actually other planets in the same dimension. Since they are different planets, they would have different environments (like the acid water and excess gravity) So it was easier to teleport everyone from Kaguya because they were in the same dimension. I think of Kamui land as another dimension, like the shadow realm.

Nice idea, but then Obito's Kamui shouldn't have been able to sync with her teleportation, right?

 

[Otibo]

Kaguya's dimensions are linked with the real one which is how she was going to mergethem. Obito's however is not

 

[Gdamon]

maybe its because noone tried to summon Kakashi?...

and its also possible that summoning team 7 plus the tailed beast, was only possible due to the sage and kage possesing their chakra...

 

[The Necromancer]

You can't summon or reverse summon in or out of any dimension to another. The only reason Sasuke and Hagoromo were able to was because they have advanced forms of Kuchiyose.

 

[Gerkak]

You can't summon or reverse summon in or out of any dimension to another. The only reason Sasuke and Hagoromo were able to was because they have advanced forms of Kuchiyose.

There is nothing I've seen that suggests that sasuke used any advanced form of summoning. He was able to summon his hawk just as he normally does

 

[409fusion]

I agree.
I had a similar thought.

 

[Xlad]

I didn't pay much attention to this thread. But I actually agree somewhat that Kamui has a denser dimension than Kaguya's.

 

[legarcon]

Nice theory and it makes sense because when naruto revitalized the chakra of SA all of them got it back but kakashi didnt, and also when naruto was in kaguya´s dimension and the clone of naruto was killed in the cord dimension, the original retrieved the chakra and memories of the clone in the other dimension, which means the chakra flows more than in kamuiland.

Also about kakashi reverse summoning himself from kamuiland i dont think was possible because as we saw when you use a summing to summon someone from other dimension it requires humongous amounts of chakra even hagoromo needed help and second when team 7 sealed kaguya they didnt have any idea to come back on their own so i think reverse summoning themselves may be imposible or take too much energy to do it all on your own.

 

[BlacLord™]

Hiraishin, Kuchiyose and Kamui all have their own unique mechanics and work differently.

Hiraishin basically creates a fold in the Space-Time Continuum to make the distance between A and B extremely small, so as to travel as what we know to be instant. In other words, everything is carried out in the same dimension.

Kuchiyose as you said though, is similar to Hiraishin in that it transports the user from one location to another on the same plane. (It's been noted that Mount Myoboku can be reached on foot from Konoha.)

Kamui is very different from the other two. Teleportation takes place by creating a curvature in time and space and opening another at the target location, creating a direct link. Teleporting to and from the Pocket Dimension is essentially the same.

Now I've done that, I feel it's time to dismantle this idea. First off, we'll look at the obvious evidence:

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Obito himself stating the dimensions are incredibly far, to the point where's he struggling to connect them with both MS. With the amount of raw power Kaguya has, she has no difficulty connecting them.

The end.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I some what agree, but the true point is Kaguya core dimension IMO also having denser dimension barrier as Kamui dimension compared to other kaguya dimensions.

Because of that Obito need to entering Kaguya portal to study it for a fast chance and tried to open up portal of other dimensions from there, because just inside the more denser core dimension of Kaguya only some one that having S/T technique like Obito able to entering others dimension. if not why Obito never found this dimensions first hand from his Kamui land.

Is either you having Kamui or Using Advanced Kuchiyose no Jutsu for you able to escaped from this core dimension

 

[OWanime]

yeah the only way to get through the dimensions is with an advanced space time jutsu xd

 

[AlphaScythian]

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The answer is found here.

As DB states its a SEALED dimension.
It explaines why FTG or summoning wouldnt work, just like seal denied kurama summoning

 

[PureSkillz]

I don't think Naruto gave Kakashi a V1 cloak. Kurama gave him chakra but he used it all up
inside the kamui dimension.

Naruto converts the chakra to be compatible with the receiver and that's what gave V1 cloaks
that were linked to him.

Kurama can't do it like that.