Minato/Kakashi vs Madara/Itachi?

[-immortal-]

So youre telling me. Kakashi can out of all a sudden counter genjutsu
And 4 limbos.

2 limbos > minato
2 limbos > kakashi

Limbo is too Op

 

[Hokage4]

Minato solos both

 

[xxSAGExx]

Team 1

Minato = BM, KCM and SM

Kakashi = Double Kamui + Perfect Susanoo


Team 2

Madara = Rinnegan ( NO Juubi Jinchuriki )

Itachi


No Edo Tensei allowed, and people will just start arguing why Minato without Edo has Kurama with him, and that's because either he is an Edo or NOT, he can still use it since he was the one who sealed it inside him. Deal with it.

BTW, which Team wins, and give me a good explanation.

Team 2 wins this, they can take out Itachi but Madara would defeat them badly. Madara can use wood clones that can also use Susanoo or even use Rinnegan jutsus plus use shared vision if Madara wishes. He can absorb a of their jutsus and use Deva path to keep all of Minto's kunai's away from him while still being able to use weapon path guns, missiles, and lasers. He can use any element he wishes as well. Wood jutsu has the power to restrain Bijuus do BM being caught as Naruto BM and Bee's BM were can happen. Madara can also use his jutsus along with his Rinnegan jutsus such as when he pulled down meteors with Deva path using his Susanoo.

Minato would have the power to win if Kishi wasn't nerfing the Edo Hokages as he was to Juubi Jin Madara. Minato in KM alone should have incredible speed if Naruto's speed increased to the point that it's comparable to Minato's FTG. But Minato wasn't using the speed increase so we don't know how fast he would be only that it would be faster than Naruto's especially with BM speed. I guess it's because Naruto did have some training with Kurama power while Minato just came and used it.

Give Minato time to train and he might be able to win with Kakashi but I'm still leaning towards Madara winning for right now since Minato would have to train in SM as well since he doesn't use it so we can't expect him to be able to use it as current Naruto can. I do see Minato giving Kakashi chakra since Yang Kurama's said Minato could do it too and it's what he used to put his and Kishina chakra in Naruto so he can give Kakashi chakra but he's not as good as Naruto who can transform the chakra to match the person which makes the chakra stronger and more adaptable to the person.

You're talking about MS Kakashi? DMS Kakashi or current Sharinganless Kakashi?

 

[A v i]

Madara solo's even with single Rinnegan.

 

[Bronze]

In both those instances Madara was Juubi Madara. The OP said Rinnegan Madara not Juubi Madara. No SO6P power here I'm not even sure he had access to the Limbo Clones until he took Hashirama's senjutsu chakra. So no Madara isn't soloing those wo at least not very easily.

You forgot that Madara had Juubi Jinchuriki with him, so nope... Read my post lel. The fact is, this is alive battle so it means Kakashi and Minato has their opportunity to show them they're jutsus, and not just that, did you ever heard about Intangible? Yes, Limbo goes through Kakashi while he can actually snipe out Madara at any time. Itachi is very strong and smart, but Minato is too. Kurama's chakra has more destruction power and FTG combines with Kurama is OP. According to Kakashi, he was the one who defeated Kaguya because of his plan. Kaguya even got trolled by Kakashi and Sakura.

Your imagination is invalid to the establishments made by the manga. Madara had Rikudou's power long before becoming a Jinchuuriki. [

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] He still has access to Rikudou's power through the Rinnegan. Limbo is a Rinnegan technique, and not something that comes from Hashirama's Senjutsu. And Madara dealt with someone, who's reflexes and timing attack while using FTG before becoming Jinchuuriki. [

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] Yes, Madara one-shots those two effortlessly.

Neither of them can see Limbo or sense it. They cannot damage it without Rikudou's Chakra. It's a Jutsu which animal abused the 9 Bijuu. And a Jutsu that Naruto and Sasuke had hard time dealing with it.​

Yeah as the juubi jin.

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[Thundergod123]

He's talking about the madara in your sig, not the juubi Madara with the Juubigan. It would be a super tough fight. But Madara wouldn't solo those two.



In both those instances Madara was Juubi Madara. The OP said Rinnegan Madara not Juubi Madara. No SO6P power here I'm not even sure he had access to the Limbo Clones until he took Hashirama's senjutsu chakra. So no Madara isn't soloing those wo at least not very easily.

Exactly, that's why Minato and Kakashi is better with Team strategiest rather than Madara and Itachi. Kakashi's intangible goes through Madaras limbos, that's obviously while Minato fights Itachi until the end, however this is a team fight so Minato would help Kakashi fighting Madara.

 

[Umari Senju]

So youre telling me. Kakashi can out of all a sudden counter genjutsu
And 4 limbos.

2 limbos > minato
2 limbos > kakashi

Limbo is too Op

This is where the extreme difficulty comes in. but everyone is forgetting something....Minato also has Sage Mode. This means it will be him dealing with the Limbo Clones as he will be able to sense them. Coordinating his attacks with his pupil, they can take out the limbo clones with great effort. So no Limbo clones won't be the deciding factor here.

 

[Thundergod123]

Your imagination is invalid to the establishments made by the manga. Madara had Rikudou's power long before becoming a Jinchuuriki. [

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] He still has access to Rikudou's power through the Rinnegan. Limbo is a Rinnegan technique, and not something that comes from Hashirama's Senjutsu. And Madara dealt with someone, who's reflexes and timing attack while using FTG before becoming Jinchuuriki. [

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] Yes, Madara one-shots those two effortlessly.

Neither of them can see Limbo or sense it. They cannot damage it without Rikudou's Chakra. It's a Jutsu which animal abused the 9 Bijuu. And a Jutsu that Naruto and Sasuke had hard time dealing with it.​

Intangible > Limbo

Kamui sends Madara to the other dimension, and that's game.

 

[Bronze]

Intangible > Limbo

Kamui sends Madara to the other dimension, and that's game.

Do I have to really bold or post scans that says ''NOTHING CAN DAMAGE LIMBO UNLESS RIKUDOU'S CHAKRA IS USED''​

 

[Multiply]

Madara alone solo's.

 

[Thundergod123]

Team 2 wins this, they can take out Itachi but Madara would defeat them badly. Madara can use wood clones that can also use Susanoo or even use Rinnegan jutsus plus use shared vision if Madara wishes. He can absorb a of their jutsus and use Deva path to keep all of Minto's kunai's away from him while still being able to use weapon path guns, missiles, and lasers. He can use any element he wishes as well. Wood jutsu has the power to restrain Bijuus do BM being caught as Naruto BM and Bee's BM were can happen. Madara can also use his jutsus along with his Rinnegan jutsus such as when he pulled down meteors with Deva path using his Susanoo.

Minato would have the power to win if Kishi wasn't nerfing the Edo Hokages as he was to Juubi Jin Madara. Minato in KM alone should have incredible speed if Naruto's speed increased to the point that it's comparable to Minato's FTG. But Minato wasn't using the speed increase so we don't know how fast he would be only that it would be faster than Naruto's especially with BM speed. I guess it's because Naruto did have some training with Kurama power while Minato just came and used it.

Give Minato time to train and he might be able to win with Kakashi but I'm still leaning towards Madara winning for right now since Minato would have to train in SM as well since he doesn't use it so we can't expect him to be able to use it as current Naruto can. I do see Minato giving Kakashi chakra since Yang Kurama's said Minato could do it too and it's what he used to put his and Kishina chakra in Naruto so he can give Kakashi chakra but he's not as good as Naruto who can transform the chakra to match the person which makes the chakra stronger and more adaptable to the person.

You're talking about MS Kakashi? DMS Kakashi or current Sharinganless Kakashi?

Double Kamui Kakashi, lel.

 

[Umari Senju]

Your imagination is invalid to the establishments made by the manga. Madara had Rikudou's power long before becoming a Jinchuuriki. [

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] He still has access to Rikudou's power through the Rinnegan. Limbo is a Rinnegan technique, and not something that comes from Hashirama's Senjutsu. And Madara dealt with someone, who's reflexes and timing attack while using FTG before becoming Jinchuuriki. [

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] Yes, Madara one-shots those two effortlessly.

Neither of them can see Limbo or sense it. They cannot damage it without Rikudou's Chakra. It's a Jutsu which animal abused the 9 Bijuu. And a Jutsu that Naruto and Sasuke had hard time dealing with it.​

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You call my imagination invalid and yet you completely missed the fact that the OP also mention Minato can Use SM in this scenario. Frog Sages are sensors by default in case you forgot. That's how Naruto was able to deal with Limbo clones even though he couldn't see them. So yeah Minato can sense them too. And I never said he didn't have the limbo tech I said I wasn't sure he had access to it before absorbing Hashirama's sage mode. It's fine and dandy if he did. But Limbo clones aren't one shotting those two if one of them can sense them.

Double Kamui Kakashi comes equiped with Rikudo senjutsu remember that's how he is able to use Kamui Shuriken and black lightnning Rikiri. Minato has Frog Sage mode so yeah they can hurt him.

You are underestimating the 1 team.

Also It isn't just Rikudo Senjutsu it is Senjutsu in general to hurt a rikudo sennin. Naruto and Sasuke were able to hurt Juubi Obito using frog SM and Juugo's senjutu. Minato attacked Rikudo Madara in Frog Sage mode and used a senjutsu rasengan to attack. Madara slashed his arm off before it could make contact. Any senjutsu can hurt him not just Rikudo.

 

[Thundergod123]

Do I have to really bold or post scans that says ''NOTHING CAN DAMAGE LIMBO UNLESS RIKUDOU'S CHAKRA IS USED''​

Did you ever heard that Kakashi has some of Rikudo's chakra because of Obito? It is obviously that Kakashi has it, and then if you are not Juubi Jin, you can damage the person. Lmfao, look when Madara lost his arm against the 9 Bijuus? Madara could not healed his arm while having Hashirama's Senjutsu, and he did need White Zetsu to give his arm to him. Read the manga. Without Juubi jin, you cannot heal yourself, and the problem is, Madara doesn't even have Juubi's staff and Gudodama.

 

[FleeOnSight]

Ima say this once. Those who voted against flying thunder god and authority of the gods then you're retarded. Js

 

[Thundergod123]

Madara alone solo's.

You are understimating Team 1. Limbos alone cannot beat Minato and Kakashi since one of them use sensory type, especially Minato. Intangible goes through Limbo, and that's why Minato and Kakashi can combine their speed to take down Madara. Kamui sends Madara to the other dimension, and GG.

 

[Bronze]

You call my imagination limited and yet you completely missed the fact that the OP also mention Minato can Use SM in this scenario. Frog Sages are sensors by default in case you forgot. That's how Naruto was able to deal with Limbo clones even though he couldn't see them. So yeah Minato can sense them too. And I never said he didn't have the limbo tech I said I wasn't sure he had access to it before absorbing Hashirama's sage mode. It's fine and dandy if he did. But Limbo clones aren't one shotting those two if one of them can sense them.

Normal Sennin Mode doesn't give the ability to sense Limbo. Only Senjutsu directly from Hagoromo can sense them, which is how Naruto was able to sense them. [

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] Therefore, Minato is not going to sense it. Limbo is a Rinnegan technique, and not Hashirama's SM Jutsu. I don't care whether you're sure or not, do not base your assumptions on something that facts cleared up.​

Double Kamui Kakashi comes equiped with Rikudo senjutsu remember that's how he is able to use Kamui Shuriken and black lightnning Rikiri. Minato has Frog Sage mode so yeah they can hurt him.

Please learn what Rikudou's Senjutsu is. It's his Yang and body. [

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Did you ever heard that Kakashi has some of Rikudo's chakra because of Obito? It is obviously that Kakashi has it, and then if you are not Juubi Jin, you can damage the person. Lmfao, look when Madara lost his arm against the 9 Bijuus? Madara could not healed his arm while having Hashirama's Senjutsu, and he did need White Zetsu to give his arm to him. Read the manga. Without Juubi jin, you cannot heal yourself, and the problem is, Madara doesn't even have Juubi's staff and Gudodama.

It won't be useful if he can't see or sense Limbo. The whole bold has nothing to do with the topic.​

 

[Thundergod123]

Ima say this once. Those who voted against flying thunder god and authority of the gods then you're retarded. Js

So, I can see you voted for Team 2, right?

 

[Pragmatic]

People choosing team 1 are not thinking about the OP Rinnegan master Madara. Kakashi only went on par with Kayuga due to plot and it lasted one chapter so who cares? The real fight here is Madara vs Minato and Madara >>> Minato

Itachi>=<Kakashi

madara extracts Biju and CT's it gg

 

[Thundergod123]

Normal Sennin Mode doesn't give the ability to sense Limbo. Only Senjutsu directly from Hagoromo can sense them, which is how Naruto was able to sense them. [

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] Therefore, Minato is not going to sense it. Limbo is a Rinnegan technique, and not Hashirama's SM Jutsu. I don't care whether you're sure or not, do not base your assumptions on something that facts cleared up.​

Please learn what Rikudou's Senjutsu is. It's his Yang and body. [

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]​

Dude, please read the manga... This is Madara with ONLY Rinengan ( Not Juubi Jin ) Madara doesn't have Ying-Yang chakra from Hagoromo. It is just the same as Pain got damaged against Naruto, lel. But the point is, you should show the fact where Madara has Rikudo's chakra without being Juubi Jinchuriki. You have to be Juubi jin to avoid damage. Please stop, this is a post where Team 1 fights Team 2. Why don't people actually care about Itachi's skills? He is the main character here since his strategy can actually match against both Space-Time users.

 

[Umari Senju]

Normal Sennin Mode doesn't give the ability to sense Limbo. Only Senjutsu directly from Hagoromo can sense them, which is how Naruto was able to sense them. [

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] Therefore, Minato is not going to sense it. Limbo is a Rinnegan technique, and not Hashirama's SM Jutsu. I don't care whether you're sure or not, do not base your assumptions on something that facts cleared up.​

Please learn what Rikudou's Senjutsu is. It's his Yang and body. [

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]​

It won't be useful if he can't see or sense Limbo. The whole bold has nothing to do with the topic.​

You say I am going off assumtions. Provide the scan that states only rikudo Senjutsu works on Madara and I will conceed this argument to you. Because I do not recall this ever being stated.

Also I don't care if Madara's Limbo are a result of Hashi's senjutsu or not. My argument still stands. Also provide proof that only Rikudo sage mode can sense Limbo Clones. Because Naruto has been a sensor ever since he required Frog Sage mode. I have seen no notable differnce in this ability due to his rikudo powerup. Provide the scans to prove your points please or stop trying to belittle me

because you really don't have any of this based in fact yourself. U_U