Many People keep Saying BM Minato>EMS Madara are Wrong

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BM Minato is top in following Departments:

1. Speed
2. Reaction speed
3. Chakra
4. Raw Power
5. Fuuin Jutsus


Minato's Reactions and His Speed:

I'll show Minato directly going up against GOD of NV i.e.his student Obito Uchiha.

Last Chapter we found out that EMS Sasuke was barely able to follow Obito's Speed and BSM Naruto barely able to sense his pattern

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But Minato in KCM was able to REACT to Obito's Ultimate Speed U_U

Here Minato reacted to Obito's Sneak Attack

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Whereas Obito Foddarized Sasuke and Naruto Neg Diff here

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Minato saved their asses later on U_U

Also Minato KCM going directly against the GOD

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Minato quickly reacted with FTG and saved himself from further damage, had it been anyone else it was an instant KO U_U

BM Minato and BSM Naruto+Tobirama reacted to Obito's attack here

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Minato's Chakra:

Alive Minato was a chakra monster himself, Viz even Suggests that his chakra level was comparable to Kurama,

The following page isn't Viz so I may be wrong but someone pull the Viz please for clarification, I've read that Minato says something like "I'll need as Much Chakra as the Fox to teleport" I could be wrong but Alive Minato's feats suggest that he's got very large chakra reserves U_U

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BM Minato however packs not only his mighty chakra but so he's easily got the second highest Chakra reserves out of all, Naruto has taken


Minato's Raw Power:

Alive Minato's feats show that physically he was very strong I'll post some scans to back it up

Minato pierced through Tobi's Mokuton half easily with his Kunai strike

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And we know what Tobi could to with his Mokuton half

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Sasuke barely able to scratch Ay in v1 with Chidori

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But Minato was about to kill Ay in v2 with his Hiraishin Kunai, Killer Bee realizing that interfered U_U Minato buttered through the Bijju's tail tough Lol

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Now add KCM and BM to that strength and you have a strength greater than BSM Naruto U_U


Minato's Fuuin Jutsus:

By feats Minato is the greatest Fuuin Jutsu user to appear on the Manga U_U

His Fuuin Jutsus:

1. Hakke Fuuin
2. Shishou Fuuin
3. The Contract Seal [This one is haxxed because this renders the opponents Summons useless]
4. Toraii Seal [Mini version of Hashirama's God gates, ]
5. Shiki Fuuin [BM Minato can't use this one]
6. Minato [The reason why Uzumaki's were feared]

And what makes Minato even more deadly is that he can combine his Fuuin Jutsus!!

And his Hiraishin-no Jutsu was developed on the basis of the Fuuin Jutsu which is by far the best teleportation Jutsu yes even above Obito's Kamui and Tobirama's own Hiraishin!

Two Threads worth checking out about FTG:






What Separates Mianto from Others and What makes his BM better than Naruto's BSM??:
In BM many would Say that Minato is like Naruto but with less Jutsus but that isn't true at all, in fact BM Minato is still better than BSM Naruto

Minato and Naruto's same techs:

1. Shadow Clones
2. Rasengan
3. Chou Odama Rasengan
4.

Naruto's Unique Arsenal:

1. FRS
2. Chou FRS
3. Senjutsu

Minato's Unique Arsenal:

1. Hiraishin-no Jutsu and its varients
2. Jikukan Kekkei
3. Fuuin Jutsus

Now if you look carefully Minato's Unique skills are way better than Naruto's. Naruto packs a greater sensory skill but that's not a big plus and the fact that he's mastered Kurama. With mastery over Kurama . Now I say this because of what Minato w/out a doubt knew that Sasuke is "good" unlike Juugo or Sai or Sakura. I could be wrong on this though U_U


Next the Flying Thunder God Tech:

As said in my threads, with FTG its Minato who decides who or what to teleport!!

1. Minato
2. Minato won his
3. Obito
4. The [Obito somehow removed it after his complete transformation but he's failed to remove Tobirama's FTG marking since U_U]
5. Minato can spam
6. Minato with FTG swap remains completely untouchable

Minato's or should I say NV's Ultimate Defense: The Jikukan Kekkei

I'll leave the scans and a thread here U_U

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Fuuin Jutsus:

Naruto has none and Minato is the best ever, nuff said U_U

Another best example would be this-

After the God-tree went bat-shit crazy, Minato and Naruto were in serious trouble but Minato even after Tree taking a chunk of chakra was able to escape on his own and retain the KCM cloak where as Naruto completely lost his BSM and was about to be killed but both Nidaime and Sandaime Saved his U_U

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Now the above is BM Minato with both arms, a shinobi so powerful that Kishi needed to nerf him that's why Kishi made him lose his arm and his Kyuubi Chakra Zzz

BM Minato's comparison with VOTE Legends (Individually):

1. Minato is above both of them in speed.
2. Hashirama is above Minato in raw-destructive power and Madara at the same level with his PSS.
3. Minato is above both of them in Fuuin Jutsus by feats but I have a reason to believe that Hahsirama and Madara are on Minato's level in Fuuin Jutsus.
4. Minato has greater chakra than both of them.
5. Minato can escape any situation and any attack but the Legends can't U_U

By BM feats, BM Minato is equal to EMS Madara and even Hashirama can't win against him [not suggesting that Minato beats Hashirama U_U] but its a stalemate as BM Minato goes toe-to-toe with them. But in a battle Minato's skills have far greater impact, he has saved the Entire shinobi alliance twice and can escape any situation, he's the only one who can react to Current Obito, a seasoned warrior with deadly strategy and that's why he's a better option as a fighter than the mere destruction VOTE Legends U_U

Again I'm not saying that Minato takes out SM Hashi or Edo Madara but saying that Minato is better option than what they were @ VOTE

Kishi still maintains Minato as the unsurpassed shinobi, Minato's potential is so overwhelming that he overshadows Naruto or Sasuke the main attractions and hence Kishi nerfed him by making him lose his arm and his BM U_U

Susano'o isn't a problem .



The reason is simple. FTG user can decide what to teleport when either them or their chakra are connected with something/someone. What do i mean?

Overlooked FTG advantage

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Look at this pic carefully. Obito is grabbing both Naruto and Sasuke's head. On Naruto created the connection between himself, Sasuke and his dad

But what is important to notice is that since Obito was grabbing Naruto and Sasuke, he was also somehow indirectly connected to Minato

Although it was the case, Minato was able to safety ignoring Obito who was in contact with them

This basically prove my point in the fact that Minato can decide what to teleport or not when it's in contact with him or his chakra

Where do i go with it? It simply means that if for example, Amaterasu was in contact with him, he can decide whether to teleport himself away or teleport the black flames themselves away despite the fact the black flames are in contact with his body

It's for that reason for example that despite , he was able to teleport away ignoring the chains grab

It's also for that reason that despite being , he was able to teleport away ignoring the black flames

So all in all, FTG laughs at Amaterasu U_U


Now talking about Susanoo. Concerning this particular part, there are 2believers. Those who believe Susanoo chakra is connected to Susanoo user and thus even if the FTG user was to teleport the Susanoo chakra, it would go with him. And there are others who believe it's not connected. I will explain why regardless of the case, it would still be useless against FTG. Like i've said, when Minato or his chakra is in contact with things/people whether directly or indirectly(look above), he can decide what/who to teleport or not.

I personally believe Susanoo user aren't connected with their Susanoo chakra. And it's proven by this pic. Notice that the Susanoo chakra . It's just a shroud surrounding his body, so basically it works the same way like Obito's chakra orbs surrounding his body, and like you can notice, when Tobirama teleported Obito, the orbs at the moment, despite the described by Minato. It only when it lost Obito's track and when he was already hit by the attack(admittedly the attack happened instantly in this case).

So FTG can teleport the chakra based attack(Susanoo) away which would leave the user open. But even if you believe that the Susanoo is connected to the user, it changes nothing against a FTG user. Like i've said above, the FTG user can decide what/who to teleport or not regardless of what/who is connected to him or his chakra, so whether the Susanoo user is indirectly connected to the FTG user or his chakra at that point or not, Minato could freely decide either to teleport the Susanoo only or the Susanoo user only.

This case is particularly interessant when involving Madara's version of Susanoo(his perfect Susanoo), where Madara seems to be (though it's possible that it's because of Susanoo's dark chakra that it's not clear to notice). FTG should then be capable to warp the PS's dark chakra away regardless of Madara's connection with his Susanoo chakra

So FTG laughs at Susanoo U_U
 
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Hi



Proof:
BM Minato was following Edo Hashirama commands on episode 375


Edo Madara>EMS Madara>BM Minato

Damn , this proof just destroyed me , really .
 

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BM Minato is top in following Departments:

1. Speed
2. Reaction speed
3. Chakra
4. Raw Power
5. Fuuin Jutsus


Minato's Reactions and His Speed:

I'll show Minato directly going up against GOD of NV i.e.his student Obito Uchiha.

Last Chapter we found out that EMS Sasuke was barely able to follow Obito's Speed and BSM Naruto barely able to sense his pattern

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But Minato in KCM was able to REACT to Obito's Ultimate Speed U_U

Here Minato reacted to Obito's Sneak Attack

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Whereas Obito Foddarized Sasuke and Naruto Neg Diff here

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Minato saved their asses later on U_U

Also Minato KCM going directly against the GOD

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Minato quickly reacted with FTG and saved himself from further damage, had it been anyone else it was an instant KO U_U

BM Minato and BSM Naruto+Tobirama reacted to Obito's attack here

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Minato's Chakra:

Alive Minato was a chakra monster himself, Viz even Suggests that his chakra level was comparable to Kurama,

The following page isn't Viz so I may be wrong but someone pull the Viz please for clarification, I've read that Minato says something like "I'll need as Much Chakra as the Fox to teleport" I could be wrong but Alive Minato's feats suggest that he's got very large chakra reserves U_U

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BM Minato however packs not only his mighty chakra but so he's easily got the second highest Chakra reserves out of all, Naruto has taken


Minato's Raw Power:

Alive Minato's feats show that physically he was very strong I'll post some scans to back it up

Minato pierced through Tobi's Mokuton half easily with his Kunai strike

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And we know what Tobi could to with his Mokuton half

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Sasuke barely able to scratch Ay in v1 with Chidori

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But Minato was about to kill Ay in v2 with his Hiraishin Kunai, Killer Bee realizing that interfered U_U Minato buttered through the Bijju's tail tough Lol

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Now add KCM and BM to that strength and you have a strength greater than BSM Naruto U_U


Minato's Fuuin Jutsus:

By feats Minato is the greatest Fuuin Jutsu user to appear on the Manga U_U

His Fuuin Jutsus:

1. Hakke Fuuin
2. Shishou Fuuin
3. The Contract Seal [This one is haxxed because this renders the opponents Summons useless]
4. Toraii Seal [Mini version of Hashirama's God gates, ]
5. Shiki Fuuin [BM Minato can't use this one]
6. Minato [The reason why Uzumaki's were feared]

And what makes Minato even more deadly is that he can combine his Fuuin Jutsus!!

And his Hiraishin-no Jutsu was developed on the basis of the Fuuin Jutsu which is by far the best teleportation Jutsu yes even above Obito's Kamui and Tobirama's own Hiraishin!

Two Threads worth checking out about FTG:






What Separates Mianto from Others and What makes his BM better than Naruto's BSM??:
In BM many would Say that Minato is like Naruto but with less Jutsus but that isn't true at all, in fact BM Minato is still better than BSM Naruto

Minato and Naruto's same techs:

1. Shadow Clones
2. Rasengan
3. Chou Odama Rasengan
4.

Naruto's Unique Arsenal:

1. FRS
2. Chou FRS
3. Senjutsu

Minato's Unique Arsenal:

1. Hiraishin-no Jutsu and its varients
2. Jikukan Kekkei
3. Fuuin Jutsus

Now if you look carefully Minato's Unique skills are way better than Naruto's. Naruto packs a greater sensory skill but that's not a big plus and the fact that he's mastered Kurama. With mastery over Kurama . Now I say this because of what Minato w/out a doubt knew that Sasuke is "good" unlike Juugo or Sai or Sakura. I could be wrong on this though U_U


Next the Flying Thunder God Tech:

As said in my threads, with FTG its Minato who decides who or what to teleport!!

1. Minato
2. Minato won his
3. Obito
4. The [Obito somehow removed it after his complete transformation but he's failed to remove Tobirama's FTG marking since U_U]
5. Minato can spam
6. Minato with FTG swap remains completely untouchable

Minato's or should I say NV's Ultimate Defense: The Jikukan Kekkei

I'll leave the scans and a thread here U_U

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Thread:


Fuuin Jutsus:

Naruto has none and Minato is the best ever, nuff said U_U

Another best example would be this-

After the God-tree went bat-shit crazy, Minato and Naruto were in serious trouble but Minato even after Tree taking a chunk of chakra was able to escape on his own and retain the KCM cloak where as Naruto completely lost his BSM and was about to be killed but both Nidaime and Sandaime Saved his U_U

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Now the above is BM Minato with both arms, a shinobi so powerful that Kishi needed to nerf him that's why Kishi made him lose his arm and his Kyuubi Chakra Zzz

BM Minato's comparison with VOTE Legends (Individually):

1. Minato is above both of them in speed.
2. Hashirama is above Minato in raw-destructive power and Madara at the same level with his PSS.
3. Minato is above both of them in Fuuin Jutsus by feats but I have a reason to believe that Hahsirama and Madara are on Minato's level in Fuuin Jutsus.
4. Minato has greater chakra than both of them.
5. Minato can escape any situation and any attack but the Legends can't U_U

By BM feats, BM Minato is equal to EMS Madara and even Hashirama can't win against him [not suggesting that Minato beats Hashirama U_U] but its a stalemate as BM Minato goes toe-to-toe with them. But in a battle Minato's skills have far greater impact, he has saved the Entire shinobi alliance twice and can escape any situation, he's the only one who can react to Current Obito, a seasoned warrior with deadly strategy and that's why he's a better option as a fighter than the mere destruction VOTE Legends U_U

Again I'm not saying that Minato takes out SM Hashi or Edo Madara but saying that Minato is better option than what they were @ VOTE

Kishi still maintains Minato as the unsurpassed shinobi, Minato's potential is so overwhelming that he overshadows Naruto or Sasuke the main attractions and hence Kishi nerfed him by making him lose his arm and his BM U_U

Susano'o isn't a problem .



The reason is simple. FTG user can decide what to teleport when either them or their chakra are connected with something/someone. What do i mean?

Overlooked FTG advantage

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Look at this pic carefully. Obito is grabbing both Naruto and Sasuke's head. On Naruto created the connection between himself, Sasuke and his dad

But what is important to notice is that since Obito was grabbing Naruto and Sasuke, he was also somehow indirectly connected to Minato

Although it was the case, Minato was able to safety ignoring Obito who was in contact with them

This basically prove my point in the fact that Minato can decide what to teleport or not when it's in contact with him or his chakra

Where do i go with it? It simply means that if for example, Amaterasu was in contact with him, he can decide whether to teleport himself away or teleport the black flames themselves away despite the fact the black flames are in contact with his body

It's for that reason for example that despite , he was able to teleport away ignoring the chains grab

It's also for that reason that despite being , he was able to teleport away ignoring the black flames

So all in all, FTG laughs at Amaterasu U_U


Now talking about Susanoo. Concerning this particular part, there are 2believers. Those who believe Susanoo chakra is connected to Susanoo user and thus even if the FTG user was to teleport the Susanoo chakra, it would go with him. And there are others who believe it's not connected. I will explain why regardless of the case, it would still be useless against FTG. Like i've said, when Minato or his chakra is in contact with things/people whether directly or indirectly(look above), he can decide what/who to teleport or not.

I personally believe Susanoo user aren't connected with their Susanoo chakra. And it's proven by this pic. Notice that the Susanoo chakra . It's just a shroud surrounding his body, so basically it works the same way like Obito's chakra orbs surrounding his body, and like you can notice, when Tobirama teleported Obito, the orbs at the moment, despite the described by Minato. It only when it lost Obito's track and when he was already hit by the attack(admittedly the attack happened instantly in this case).

So FTG can teleport the chakra based attack(Susanoo) away which would leave the user open. But even if you believe that the Susanoo is connected to the user, it changes nothing against a FTG user. Like i've said above, the FTG user can decide what/who to teleport or not regardless of what/who is connected to him or his chakra, so whether the Susanoo user is indirectly connected to the FTG user or his chakra at that point or not, Minato could freely decide either to teleport the Susanoo only or the Susanoo user only.

This case is particularly interessant when involving Madara's version of Susanoo(his perfect Susanoo), where Madara seems to be (though it's possible that it's because of Susanoo's dark chakra that it's not clear to notice). FTG should then be capable to warp the PS's dark chakra away regardless of Madara's connection with his Susanoo chakra

So FTG laughs at Susanoo U_U

you took lot of Trouble writing that

Obito is a Weaking compared to Madara.

Edo madara wast afraid of Jubbito at all Because Edo madara knew how Strong he was

Edo Madara>Jubbito
 
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you took lot of Trouble writing that

Obito is a Weaking compared to Madara.

Edo madara wast afraid of Jubbito at all Because Edo madara knew how Strong he was

Edo Madara>Jubbito

That was Madara with Hashirama's senjutsu that was about to f*ck up Juubi Obito
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If you're going to call people wrong, at least provide evidence to back up your statement.
 

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Madara beats Minato no need to explain
 

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you better put it in your ass Lol
minato’s ftg barrier can redirect all kiuybi’s TTB ,also ps is quite easily marked by multiple chakra arms or minato can just teleport the bombs to a mark close to the kiuybi armored by ps,once ps is destroyed ,minato can use contract seal to free the kiuybi
 
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Wael reda, am i actually agreeing with you? Is this even possible?

OT:

- Minato is way better in the CQC department, be it strenght, speed or reflexes.

- Katons are useless since Minato can sunshin away or Ma/Pa can use a Suiton to counter them. Larger Katons are just plain useless, since they block Madara's LoS which is the worst thing that someone could suffer in a fight with a FTG user.

- Lower Susanoo forms are teleported away with chakra arms or by sunshining at them, using Bunshins is also a good tactic to trick Madara with multiple opponents.

- Higher Susanoo forms (Final and Stabilised) are restricted by the Kyuubi avatar using chakra arms and tails. Minato can teleport them away anyway if his chakra, aka the avatar, comes into contact with Susanoo. Bijuudamas aren't needed at all when Minato can get rid of Madara's last and only offense.

Minato is just on a whole different tier, this isn't even debatable. Rinnegan is needed for Madara to defeat him, a real one obviously.
 

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Wael reda, am i actually agreeing with you? Is this even possible?

OT:

- Minato is way better in the CQC department, be it strenght, speed or reflexes.

- Katons are useless since Minato can sunshin away or Ma/Pa can use a Suiton to counter them. Larger Katons are just plain useless, since they block Madara's LoS which is the worst thing that someone could suffer in a fight with a FTG user.

- Lower Susanoo forms are teleported away with chakra arms or by sunshining at them, using Bunshins is also a good tactic to trick Madara with multiple opponents.

- Higher Susanoo forms (Final and Stabilised) are restricted by the Kyuubi avatar using chakra arms and tails. Minato can teleport them away anyway if his chakra, aka the avatar, comes into contact with Susanoo. Bijuudamas aren't needed at all when Minato can get rid of Madara's last and only offense.

Minato is just on a whole different tier, this isn't even debatable. Rinnegan is needed for Madara to defeat him, a real one obviously.

I amnot that stupid,am i ?Lol

Just a question,wouldnt madara be teleported with susano?then it is meaningless to teleport susano if madara would be still inside it ,alright?
 

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BM Minato Is Superior To EMS/Edo Madara In Every Category...
Speed...
Firepower...
Defense...
Intelligence...
& So On...
Deal With It!
 

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There are Mis-Understandings between BM Minato and EMS Madara strength difference

EMS Mardara is clearly stronger than BM Minato just because Minato has FTG does not make him stronger than EMS Madara
the points you make to try and show that pretty much prove that EMS Madara w/o 100% Kurama would lose to BM Minato and pretty badly.

Proof:
BM Minato was following Edo Hashirama commands on episode 375
BM Minato hasnʻt even made an appearance in the anime.

EMS Madara PS has Equal amount chakara as Kyuubi while minato does not have Minato needs to use Kyuubi bijjus mode
Since when does Madaraʻs PS = the amount of chakra as 100% Kurama?

EMS Madara considered him self even to SM Hashirama
EMS Madara + 100% Kurama lost to SM Hashirama, he was even explicitly stated to be inferior to hashirama. EMS Madara w/o 100% Kurama isnʻt even on SM Hashiramaʻs level.

EMS Madara Tai Jutsu is far superior to Minato
based on what is his taijutsu even superior or on the same level as BM Minatos, and why does taijutsu have any bearing on a fight which will inevitably result in chakra avatar vs chakra avatar?

EMS Madara + SM Hashiram = Edo Madara
wait what? Edo madara didnʻt even have sennin mode, he didnʻt even show base hashiramaʻs greatest mokutons, and edo SM Hashirama was fighting on par with the guy. And edo Hashirama is significantly weaker than living hashirama.

By saying BM Minato is stronger than EMS Madara then it means BM Minato should be Stronger than SM Hashriama
Obviously not.

Edo Madara>EMS Madara>BM Minato
Thatʻs not true as EMS Madara w/ 100% Kurama was on the same level as SM Hashirama, and edo madara could only fight on par with edo hashirama whoʻs weaker than his living counterpart.

The correct list is:
EMS Madara w/ 100% Kurama > Edo Madara > BM Minato > EMS Madara w/o 100% Kurama
If heʻs by himself and only has PS, he gets wrecked by BM Minato.
 

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you better put it in your ass Lol
minato’s ftg barrier can redirect all kiuybi’s TTB ,also ps is quite easily marked by multiple chakra arms or minato can just teleport the bombs to a mark close to the kiuybi armored by ps,once ps is destroyed ,minato can use contract seal to free the kiuybi
Not when there being followed by Mountain buster shockwaves. Also if he decides to shoot multiple ones Minato his obliterated. If Minato decides to get in touching range GG shockwaves obliterate him and the Kurama avatar. Only if he can land a touch on Madara who going to be protected by susanoo so that argument is piss poor.
 

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Proof:
BM Minato was following Edo Hashirama commands on episode 375
Means nothing at all,
Naruto in KCM was listening to Dodais commands, does that mean he is weaker, No it doesnt
this logic doesnt apply here, and listening to hashirama doesnt mean that he is weaker than EMS Madara
EMS Madara PS has Equal amount chakara as Kyuubi while minato does not have Minato needs to use Kyuubi bijjus mode
im going to need proof for the bold,
PS is manifested from the users chakra, madara havinng more chakra than the kyuubi itself in his EMS form is not plausible
EMS Madara considered him self even to SM Hashirama
He still neeeded the full kyuubi to fight him on even grounds and he still lost
EMS Madara Tai Jutsu is far superior to Minato
Lol no, he would just end up getting marked, and once that happens he is done for
minatos speed in BM is far superior to EMS madaras, and through the use of chakra arms, he can mark him quite easily
not to mention that madara even reacting to BM Minatos shunshin is debatable
EMS Madara + SM Hashiram = Edo Madara
Lol God no,
all edo madara has are base hashiramas mokuton, and preta path added to his EMS abilities
edo madaras PS was fought on par by hashirama through his SM mokujin, he didnt even use his SS, and his edo form was also weaker than his alive form, as stated by madara and tobirama themselves

and if hashirama amps his mokutons with SM, then even madaras mokutons are non factor,
and edo madara still gets squashed by SS, as now he doesnt have the firepower of full kyuubi to even combat it
meaning one chojo kobetsu is all thats needed to bust his PS
By saying BM Minato is stronger than EMS Madara then it means BM Minato should be Stronger than SM Hashriama
Nope, this logic doesnt apply especially when madara lackss the kyuubi
Edo Madara>EMS Madara>BM Minato
VOTE Madara w/Kyuubi > Edo Madara >= BM Minato > EMS Madara
 
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BM minato > EMS Madara

Perfect Susanoo isn't stronger than a tailed beast, it's power rivals one at best. A perfect Jinchuuriki's power is much greater than that of a tailed beast on its own.

One half of Kurama is able to simultaneously take on 5 tailed beasts at once and match them in power.
 
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@Kifflom Hashirama stated he has the same amount chakra as the Kyuubi here.( ). And he was talking about full Kyuubi. Both Madara and Hashirama fought and they both were completely drained around the same time.
 

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@Kifflom Hashirama stated he has the same amount chakra as the Kyuubi here.( ). And he was talking about full Kyuubi. Both Madara and Hashirama fought and they both were completely drained around the same time.
Debatable, Madaras chakra reserves in amount are still lower than hashiramas,
the fight was off panelled which is why we cant make such assumptions,
 

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Not when there being followed by Mountain buster shockwaves. Also if he decides to shoot multiple ones Minato his obliterated. If Minato decides to get in touching range GG shockwaves obliterate him and the Kurama avatar. Only if he can land a touch on Madara who going to be protected by susanoo so that argument is piss poor.

Why would the PS shockwaves do anything significant to the BM avatar when Naruto blocks something far more powerful and far more concentrated with his tails?

@Kifflom Hashirama stated he has the same amount chakra as the Kyuubi here.( ). And he was talking about full Kyuubi. Both Madara and Hashirama fought and they both were completely drained around the same time.

being completely drained after a fight means nothing about how your chakra reserves compare to the other guys, all it means is that youʻre both exhausted at the end of the fight. Hashirama simply used an incomparably greater amount of chakra than madara did in the VoTe fight since he has incomparably greater amounts of chakra than madara does.
 

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Debatable, Madaras chakra reserves in amount are still lower than hashiramas,
the fight was off panelled which is why we cant make such assumptions,
Any proof to back this up they both were clearly drained toward the end. Not to mention Hashirama was talking about both of there Kurama which means he was comparing his chakra to full Kurama and not 1 half.



BM Minato > VOTE Madara > Edo Madara > EMS Madara​
Your the Naruto/Kurama fanboy version of Dimitri anything that has to do with Naruto or Kurama your completely bias so please refrain from posting on this thread.

Why would the PS shockwaves do anything significant to the BM avatar when Naruto blocks something far more powerful and far more concentrated with his tails?



being completely drained after a fight means nothing about how your chakra reserves compare to the other guys, all it means is that youʻre both exhausted at the end of the fight. Hashirama simply used an incomparably greater amount of chakra than madara did in the VoTe fight since he has incomparably greater amounts of chakra than madara does.
Piercing force>Blunt. Hashirama using more chakra than Madara? Do you have proof of any of this false shit your claiming?
 
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