So do people actually Believe in Absolute Dicatorship or just Fanboyism?

[ChocolateVanilla]

I'd like a page of where it was said the Jonin will vote. I need to check up on something. It seems like if the Hokage dies before selecting a new Hokage, then the Jonins vote. If the Hokage selects one while alive, there is no vote. The page may clarify on this.

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It isn't viz, but I doubt that this translation is far off from it.

 

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I'd like a page of where it was said the Jonin will vote. I need to check up on something. It seems like if the Hokage dies before selecting a new Hokage, then the Jonins vote. If the Hokage selects one while alive, there is no vote. The page may clarify on this.

The Hokage CAN nominate a Kage but it still has to go through the Feudal Lord, which also proves that the Kages can't be dictators, as the Feudal lords are above them.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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It isn't viz, but I doubt that this translation is far off from it.

No, the page that brings clarity to the vote, the one that mentions Jonins are the ones voting.

 

[Scooby Doo]

It doesn't really matter if the hokage is voted or appointed. Because it goes by merit. As far as I know, the feudal lord has to approve of the hokage, but he is suggested by the counsellors (like Shikamaru's father). But then, the people usually also approve of the hokage- we saw the inauguration ceremonies. (I'm not sure if that was only in fillers, though.)

All in all, the system is feudal- but not dictatorship. And the hokages are elected based on their feats and reputation. As Itachi said, only those can be hokage that are accepted by the people.

If anything, it's the feudal lords that have to be abolished because they hire ninjas to fight.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Actually whatever, this scan[

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] shows that there isn't always a vote. They said they're going to appoint him as Hokage, not elect him, or nominate him. Just given the title of Hokage. Show me where the people of Konoha voted for this. Show me where the Jonin voted.

 

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Actually whatever, this scan[

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] shows that there isn't always a vote. They said they're going to appoint him as Hokage, not elect him, or nominate him. Just given the title of Hokage. Show me where the people of Konoha voted for this. Show me where the Jonin voted.

The entire council was present and no one clearly objected Shikaku and the Elders are right there and also the people of Konoha don't vote the council does.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The entire council was present and no one clearly objected Shikaku and the Elders are right there and also the people of Konoha don't vote the council does.

That'd be the exact same as if Obama died, and Congress said "Well there's a ton of people who like Mitt Romney. Let's declare him official president right now."

How you think the citizens would react to that? Think they'd call that democracy?

 

[Mad Daz]

Shallow words.

Literally all that could be said after that wall of garbagio. Only option is a delusional thinker.

 

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That'd be the exact same as if Obama died, and Congress said "Well there's a ton of people who like Mitt Romney. Let's declare him official president right now."

How you think the citizens would react to that? Think they'd call that democracy?

That's not clearly the case, As Feudalism isn't same as modern day Democracy. Kakashi was already nominated, when Danzo was trying to get the votes, so why nominate him again?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Literally all that could be said after that wall of garbagio. Only option is a delusional thinker.

Like I said, shallow words. Petty insults and words with no backing because you can't form a proper counterargument. Your best bet at this point would be to shut the **** up instead of making yourself look dumber.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Actually whatever, this scan[

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] shows that there isn't always a vote. They said they're going to appoint him as Hokage, not elect him, or nominate him. Just given the title of Hokage. Show me where the people of Konoha voted for this. Show me where the Jonin voted.

What does that prove? Once Kakashi is chosen as a Hokage candidate Tsunade is booted out of office until he either dies, or the vote is completed, seeing as how Danzo was appointed as the Rokidaime but he still was never officially Hokage.

 

[Punk Hazard]

That's not clearly the case, As Feudalism isn't same as modern day Democracy. Kakashi was already nominated, when Danzo was trying to get the votes, so why nominate him again?

The point is, the leaders didn't get the citizens' consent and the decision was done completely among the leaders, and you defend them, yet Sasuke is considered the bad guy because there's the possibility that what he's doing will be decided by the leaders, and not the citizens' consent.

 

[Punk Hazard]

What does that prove? Once Kakashi is chosen as a Hokage candidate Tsunade is booted out of office until he either dies, or the vote is completed, seeing as how Danzo was appointed as the Rokidaime but he still was never officially Hokage.

It proves that there isn't always a vote. One person elected Kakashi. Danzo's case is different than Kakashi's case. How so? You say Danzo was the unofficial Rokudami, and I quote the feudal lord ""Hatake Kakashi, I officially appoint you as-"

There was no vote among Jonin, there was no vote among citizens. It was decided by the leaders only, so how exactly are they okay, but Sasuke is the bad guy because you all think he's going to run things by having just the leaders make the decisions? Hypocrites everywhere.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

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The point is, the leaders didn't get the citizens' consent and the decision was done completely among the leaders, and you defend them, yet Sasuke is considered the bad guy because there's the possibility that what he's doing will be decided by the leaders, and not the citizens' consent.

Sasuke's considered a bad guy because he's no official yet he feels he has the power to no only kill 5 leaders, but implement HIS system, without consent from anybody, even ******* like Danzo tried to go through the proper system but somehow Sasuke's above that? why because he's a self entitled Uchiha? please

 

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He's ignoring it, and ignoring the fact that a Dictator is one absolute power and there's no one above him, or with him. A dictator is one person governing everything.
the kage has the Feudal lord above him and the Elders making decision with them and this was shown even in Tsunade's rain.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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Danzo said that if the council accepts him, the Jonins will have no choice, indicating that the council can eliminate the need for a Jonin vote.

Proof that you don't always need the Jonin's approval.[

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Danzo said that if the council accepts him, the Jonins will have no choice, indicating that the council can eliminate the need for a Jonin vote.

Proof that you don't always need the Jonin's approval.[

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The Council is the Jounins :| that's why Shikaku is there, its called the Jounin Council.

EDIT: I also like how you ignore that the elders had actually decided on Kakashi before hand [

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[Punk Hazard]

He's ignoring it, and ignoring the fact that a Dictator is one absolute power and there's no one above him, or with him. A dictator is one person governing everything.
the kage has the Feudal lord above him and the Elders making decision with them and this was shown even in Tsunade's rain.

I never said the Kages were dictators. I'm also not ignoring it. It's clear that you either become Hokage by:
1. Being voted by the Jonin
2. Being declared by the Feudal Lord Council
3. Being declared by the current Jonin

The only time a Hokage was elected by the people were Hashirama.

Since you have no idea what I'm really arguing in this thread, allow me to clarify.

I said it's possible that Sasuke's rule can be democratic, and can be supported and appreciated by the people. Someone replied to me and said that it isn't because Sasuke is declaring himself leader, that the people haven't chosen him, so they'll never accept that. I'm saying:

1. We don't know that Sasuke will force people to follow him.
2. There have been Kages who come into power or rule or whatever you want to call it without being chosen by the people, yet they were fine with it. Hiruzen, Minato, A, Tsunade, Kakashi, none of them had an election or had the Jonins vote for them.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The Council is the Jounins :| that's why Shikaku is there, its called the Jounin Council.

That makes absolutely no sense. Danzo said that once the Jonin council accepts him, the Jonin council will have no choice but to accept him as well? :|