Itachi vs Zabuza and current Kakashi

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3T itachi takes this low diff. MS makes it neg diff
 

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Let's look deeply into this before we call this a stomp match as I can see the team are really underrated. It can really go either way but the team has the advantage.

- Itachi can sure use Amaterasu but this can be countered by clones blocking his line of sight as they both can utilize shadow clones.

- Surely, If Amaterasu fails, he's not going to shoot another right of the bat. He'll have to at least wait even if it's seconds. Then the mist comes out.

- Any form of genjutsu in Itachi's arsenal is useless against Zabuza especially in the mist since he closes his eyes. . I don't need to talk about Kakashi as he already matched Itachi without getting caught in a genjutsu. The fact is Itachi has no way of tracking them in the mist as he's not a sensor and he can't see in the mist.

- Zabuza can track Itachi and so can Kakashi with his dogs and there's the fact that even without his dogs, he should still be able to track Itachi with his nose. Naruto noted beginning of Part 2 Kakashi had a better sense of smell than Part 1 Kiba whose nose could help in circumstances that even the Rinnegan failed to help. Smoke bombs were capable of blocking the Rinnegan's vision meanwhile Part 1 Kiba used his noes to track Naruto while he was in it . My point is, the mist isn't any different as Kakashi emphasized on using the noes while in it

- Sure Itachi is a smart guy. He can use explosive clones but Kakashi is smart as well. He can either have his clones do the tracking first to be safe or if he doesn't want to waste chakra, he can sacrifice his dogs and Itachi upon being attacked would make his clone explode since he won't be able to tell who it was.

- Itachi's only chance is Susanoo ( As if he doesn't use it, he's a dead man in the mist) and the thing is can he really keep this up for long in the mist? Not to mention even if Zabuza's attacks would be completely useless, Kakashi still has clones to attack from underneath. There's still the fact that Kakashi can use his lightning clone to attack from underground enabling him to enter Susanoo and attack Itachi. If Itachi attacks the clone, GG

- Itachi is a very good taijutsu user but taking the 2 on at the same time would be extremely hard when Kakashi alone is not far off. Especially considering they have deadly clones that can uses deadly attacks like water prison.

- I doubt Katon can clear the mist. If so, I believe Madara would have resorted to it here when his vision was blocked
 
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Let's look deeply into this before we call this a stomp match as I can see the team are really underrated. It can really go either way but the team has the advantage.

- Itachi can sure use Amaterasu but this can be countered by clones blocking his line of sight as they both can utilize shadow clones.

- Surely, If Amaterasu fails, he's not going to shoot another right of the bat. He'll have to at least wait even if it's seconds. Then the mist comes out.

- Any form of genjutsu in Itachi's arsenal is useless against Zabuza especially in the mist since he closes his eyes. . I don't need to talk about Kakashi as he already matched Itachi without getting caught in a genjutsu. The fact is Itachi has no way of tracking them in the mist as he's not a sensor and he can't see in the mist.

- Zabuza can track Itachi and so can Kakashi with his dogs and there's the fact that even without his dogs, he should still be able to track Itachi with his nose. Naruto noted beginning of Part 2 Kakashi had a better sense of smell than Part 1 Kiba whose nose could help in circumstances that even the Rinnegan failed to help. Smoke bombs were capable of blocking the Rinnegan's vision meanwhile Part 1 Kiba used his noes to track Naruto while he was in it . My point is, the mist isn't any different as Kakashi emphasized on using the noes while in it

- Sure Itachi is a smart guy. He can use explosive clones but Kakashi is smart as well. He can either have his clones do the tracking first to be safe or if he doesn't want to waste chakra, he can sacrifice his dogs and Itachi upon being attacked would make his clone explode since he won't be able to tell who it was.

- Itachi's only chance is Susanoo ( As if he doesn't use it, he's a dead man in the mist) and the thing is can he really keep this up for long in the mist? Not to mention even if Zabuza's attacks would be completely useless, Kakashi still has clones to attack from underneath. There's still the fact that Kakashi can use his lightning clone to attack from underground enabling him to enter Susanoo and attack Itachi. If Itachi attacks the clone, GG

- Itachi is a very good taijutsu user but taking the 2 on at the same time would be extremely hard when Kakashi alone is not far off. Especially considering they have deadly clones that can uses deadly attacks like water prison.

- I doubt Katon can clear the mist. If so, I believe Madara would have resorted to it here when his vision was blocked

Despite this being the truth it will get casually overlooked. All that effort for naught.
 

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Let's look deeply into this before we call this a stomp match as I can see the team are really underrated. It can really go either way but the team has the advantage.

- Itachi can sure use Amaterasu but this can be countered by clones blocking his line of sight as they both can utilize shadow clones.

- Surely, If Amaterasu fails, he's not going to shoot another right of the bat. He'll have to at least wait even if it's seconds. Then the mist comes out.

- Any form of genjutsu in Itachi's arsenal is useless against Zabuza especially in the mist since he closes his eyes. . I don't need to talk about Kakashi as he already matched Itachi without getting caught in a genjutsu. The fact is Itachi has no way of tracking them in the mist as he's not a sensor and he can't see in the mist.

- Zabuza can track Itachi and so can Kakashi with his dogs and there's the fact that even without his dogs, he should still be able to track Itachi with his nose. Naruto noted beginning of Part 2 Kakashi had a better sense of smell than Part 1 Kiba whose nose could help in circumstances that even the Rinnegan failed to help. Smoke bombs were capable of blocking the Rinnegan's vision meanwhile Part 1 Kiba used his noes to track Naruto while he was in it . My point is, the mist isn't any different as Kakashi emphasized on using the noes while in it

- Sure Itachi is a smart guy. He can use explosive clones but Kakashi is smart as well. He can either have his clones do the tracking first to be safe or if he doesn't want to waste chakra, he can sacrifice his dogs and Itachi upon being attacked would make his clone explode since he won't be able to tell who it was.

- Itachi's only chance is Susanoo ( As if he doesn't use it, he's a dead man in the mist) and the thing is can he really keep this up for long in the mist? Not to mention even if Zabuza's attacks would be completely useless, Kakashi still has clones to attack from underneath. There's still the fact that Kakashi can use his lightning clone to attack from underground enabling him to enter Susanoo and attack Itachi. If Itachi attacks the clone, GG

- Itachi is a very good taijutsu user but taking the 2 on at the same time would be extremely hard when Kakashi alone is not far off. Especially considering they have deadly clones that can uses deadly attacks like water prison.

- I doubt Katon can clear the mist. If so, I believe Madara would have resorted to it here when his vision was blocked

thats why i made the matchup, i thought right about what you mentioned, thanks for the effort !
 

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Itachi has other ways of clearing the Mist excluding Katon. Like I said before, the Sharingan isn't even needed. Base Itachi would win with ease.
 

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Base Itachi takes this.

Look what Evani has posted and stop talking senseless shit, with the distance of 50 meters itachi isn't blitzing or using amaterasu nor tsukuyomi.
Zabuza will summon thick mist right off the bat, itachi is lost in the mist, he won't be able to get rid of it, while both kakashi and zabiuza could better move in it and plan strategies.
 

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Look what Evani has posted and stop talking senseless shit, with the distance of 50 meters itachi isn't blitzing or using amaterasu nor tsukuyomi.
Zabuza will summon thick mist right off the bat, itachi is lost in the mist, he won't be able to get rid of it, while both kakashi and zabiuza could better move in it and plan strategies.

:| I'm too tired for this but I suppose I can entertain it a bit.



A single Daibakuha Bunshin is enough to eradicate the jutsu hindering his vision, and Itachi has the reserves to make dozens more. You do the math.
 

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:| I'm too tired for this but I suppose I can entertain it a bit.



A single Daibakuha Bunshin is enough to eradicate the jutsu hindering his vision, and Itachi has the reserves to make dozens more. You do the math.

This small explosion would just rip a little hole in the mist, it is filled easily with new mist by zabuza.
 

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The clash of 2 water dragons wasn't enough to clear the mist.

Remind me, since when does Suiton have explosive properties?

Regardless of how you spin it, this explosion will get rid of the mist or at least open a big enough hole for Itachi to trap Zabuza and Kakashi in a Genjutsu.
 
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Remind me, since when does Suiton have explosive properties?

Regardless of how you spin it, this explosion will get rid of the mist or at least open a big enough hole for Itachi to trap Zabuza and Kakashi in a Genjutsu.

the possibility that he would just trap a clone is high cause zabuza and kakashi are both clone feint users.
The mist is rebuild fast.
Btw kakashi has intel on itches fighting style and would share his knowledge with zabuza.
 

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the possibility that he would just trap a clone is high cause zabuza and kakashi are both clone feint users.
The mist is rebuild fast.
Btw kakashi has intel on itches fighting style and would share his knowledge with zabuza.

Not sure what you're trying to say here.
 

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Read the title of the thread and was about to say that Zabuza would better be in the same team with Itachi. Forgot that the Obito drugs have worn off.

OT: Itachi.
 
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Didn't see any reasonable argument why Itachi would win this fight so far. So I say Kakashi and Zabuza neg diff Itachi , why not?
 

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Not sure what you're trying to say here.

okay itachi would be able to make a hole in the mist, it wouldn't be very big, but still a area where is no mist for a short time,
1 ) kakashi and zabuza are clone feints user, which means they always starts the battle with sacrificing clones first to gain intel. (genjutsu would be useless, amaterasu would be wasted chakra)


2) Intel is manga which means kakashi knows a lot about itachi and would share these informations with zabuza, so zabuza would know not to look in his eyes and he would produce a lot of water clones which will be the shield or a distraction.

3) Zabuza has good chakra resources and would spam hidden mist. He would send water clones with silent killing in itches direction, to either end the battle ( luck) or gain more infos and make itachi loose stamina and chakra.
Kakashi would do the same, but he will also attack from underground with trap clones ( lightning)
in the mist and with these trap clones of kakashi, itachi wouldn't be able to tell who is the original, while the real ones are hiding in the deep mist planning more strategies.

In the end team 2 would end the battle before itachi would use susanno and even if he does, susanno can be reached from underground
( Kakashis speciality)
 
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