Jiraiyathesannin
Jōnin Strategist 🧠
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Unbiased discussion. What do they each CURRENTLY have in their arsenals, and how will they damage each other?
What counters do they have? What are their greatest assets in battles?
If I see "sasuke swaps naruto into kunai gg" or "naruto reks sasuke" you're getting reported and I will have a mod intervene. No warnings will be given
My thoughts (I don't like the sasuke fanbase, but I have no bias against sasuke, nor am I fond of naruto, so this should be fairly balanced).
Sasuke's main abilities are as follows: Amaterasu (and blaze release), Susano'o (susano'o amaterasu, sword slash, arrow, and flight), genjutsu (basic sharingan genjutsu, weak tsukyomi, bijuu control), Swap, chibaku tensei, chidori and variants, fire variants, summoning.
Those are his basic abilities. Nothing else that hasn't been shown is able to be used, we won't speculate
Naruto's main abilities are as follows: Sage mode, Kcm< BM< BSM< Rikudo mode (I am just using this as a placeholder for the currently unnamed mod he has that incorporates chakra from all of the bijuu. Note that this mode DOES have black spheres). He has multi kage bunshin, genjutsu resistance (can't be caught in genjutsu because of the bijuu inside of him, and there is no evidence that a bijuu can be controlled while inside of him, as noted by madara failing to do so), rasenshuriken (sooo many variants, but essentially, he has bijuu specific rasenshurikens, with the magma one being a god tree buster minimum, tbb rasenshuriken, sage chakra rasenshuriken, all of which can be made huge and/or cast in large numbers), summoning jutsu, greatest raw speed currently in the manga.
As it stands, I give naruto the edge. He's much too fast for amaterasu and sasuke's teleport to be effective. His large bijuu form is on par or greater than susano'o (I speculate with ALL the bijuu it would be the same form we saw ashura use, but without speculation, we'll just use his large kurama mode), naruto was able to bust out of chibaku tensei with only 8 tails of chakra, plus he was able to casually bust SEVERAL of madara's meteors, so that's a non issue. His rasenshurikens have demonstrated the ability to burn, seal, and do many other things.
I just don't see a way for sasuke to win. Genjutsu doesn't work on a perfect jin. Because tsukyomi effects time.... however the bijuu can talk to each other in a realm also outside of time... and so far there is no evidence that rinnegan genjutsu is any different from sharingan. Amaterasu is useless, sasuke's speed is too slow, and bijuu mode >= susano'o.
I give it to naruto. But i'm interested in your INFORMED ARGUMENTS
What counters do they have? What are their greatest assets in battles?
If I see "sasuke swaps naruto into kunai gg" or "naruto reks sasuke" you're getting reported and I will have a mod intervene. No warnings will be given
My thoughts (I don't like the sasuke fanbase, but I have no bias against sasuke, nor am I fond of naruto, so this should be fairly balanced).
Sasuke's main abilities are as follows: Amaterasu (and blaze release), Susano'o (susano'o amaterasu, sword slash, arrow, and flight), genjutsu (basic sharingan genjutsu, weak tsukyomi, bijuu control), Swap, chibaku tensei, chidori and variants, fire variants, summoning.
Those are his basic abilities. Nothing else that hasn't been shown is able to be used, we won't speculate
Naruto's main abilities are as follows: Sage mode, Kcm< BM< BSM< Rikudo mode (I am just using this as a placeholder for the currently unnamed mod he has that incorporates chakra from all of the bijuu. Note that this mode DOES have black spheres). He has multi kage bunshin, genjutsu resistance (can't be caught in genjutsu because of the bijuu inside of him, and there is no evidence that a bijuu can be controlled while inside of him, as noted by madara failing to do so), rasenshuriken (sooo many variants, but essentially, he has bijuu specific rasenshurikens, with the magma one being a god tree buster minimum, tbb rasenshuriken, sage chakra rasenshuriken, all of which can be made huge and/or cast in large numbers), summoning jutsu, greatest raw speed currently in the manga.
As it stands, I give naruto the edge. He's much too fast for amaterasu and sasuke's teleport to be effective. His large bijuu form is on par or greater than susano'o (I speculate with ALL the bijuu it would be the same form we saw ashura use, but without speculation, we'll just use his large kurama mode), naruto was able to bust out of chibaku tensei with only 8 tails of chakra, plus he was able to casually bust SEVERAL of madara's meteors, so that's a non issue. His rasenshurikens have demonstrated the ability to burn, seal, and do many other things.
I just don't see a way for sasuke to win. Genjutsu doesn't work on a perfect jin. Because tsukyomi effects time.... however the bijuu can talk to each other in a realm also outside of time... and so far there is no evidence that rinnegan genjutsu is any different from sharingan. Amaterasu is useless, sasuke's speed is too slow, and bijuu mode >= susano'o.
I give it to naruto. But i'm interested in your INFORMED ARGUMENTS
Rest assured, I get the general picture; so allow me to put this out there: