Whose view of the development of the world of shinobi is most effective?

[Macropod]

Found some interesting thoughts, just wanna share them and look what other people think about it.

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Way of Naruto - well he is talking about that from first part of the manga. To understand each other, to make friends and stuff. It is a bit naïve and utopian idea, but still it is his main idea.
If all are agree, how long will it last? Naruto will die, generation will change, and who knows would the people stick to his ideology after 100 years or no?
Hashirama also tried to do same stuff but the war did not disappear.

Can u agree with all people of other countries? After all, it involves the redistribution of resources of the planet.
Let's imagine a situation - Konohagakure has all resources and Amegakure is quite beggar (in our language - no oil, gas, coal, etc.) If we abandon the war and other conflicts should Konohagakure separate part of its territories to the poor Amegakure? Otherwise, what is the system if one country has perfect living conditions and the other country is begging for help? Well, it's roughly speaking of course, but... Will all agree to such classifications? And why exactly they should peacefully agree to give their resources to others? In order to spare the poor little Amegakure right? Hmm...

Permanent results - they can't exist, in principle...

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Way of Sasuke is to reform the shinobi system. Destroy all (Biju will be first to be destroyed) that can lead to the apparance of new overpowered villains... Then execute all Kage, as rulers of the old era and the symbols/people of the old system - those who will never accept to change everything (and those who will not accept him as a only leader of all ninja)
Then Sasuke can unite all shinobi in one organization / country. A world government only with the socialist division of resources - all equally. Looks like the Soviet Union on the whole globe.

This it is obvious - at first no one will agree, but Sasuke will eliminate Naruto as the only one who can be a real threat - to the rest he can impose his willing by force. Well, a couple of decades - all this will become usual (anyone who will interfere/oppose will be hanged ofc) and if the system works as it should, society will begin to flourish...

Chance of permanent result - very high. Although the appearance of a new revolutionary (capitalist/oligarch, who want to live much richer than others) still exists. It will depend how much pressure would be put on such people.


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Madara way - well, the most ideal in my opinion. Everyone lives in his own world and enjoying life, a real paradise, there is simply nothing to add.

Chance of permanent result - 100%.

 

[Dantee]

Sasukes by far, lock the bijuu up with Kaguya and change the kages who aren't trying to gain power to back their villages up. Revolutionize the shinobi system that isn't revolved around killing and carrying out the dirty work of the fuedal lords.

Naruto is a fool, he has no vision of the future and no concrete plan to make sure this doesn't happen again. Madaras plan failed already so...

 

[BLAZE]

Sasuke's is realistic but Naruto's will be more effective

 

[Grammar Nazi]

Kaguya/Madara- Extremely to the right, I'll have all the power and the rest of the world would be my zetsu army.

Naruto- Extreme left. Share all the power bonds, comrades bs

Sasuke- His way is just right. The world and people would live but he'd rule over them and maintain peace.

 

[Fuzzy Panda]

Both Sasuke's and Naruto's ideals are quite childish. Naruto's is quite idealistic but almost everyone has good nature in them and bringing it out in everyone would result in peace. He has no real "plan" as of yet, however that makes sense since he's only 17 and he's been quite busy with other thing you could say. However we also need a change in the current shinobi system. Sasuke's method achieves this but it's too forceful. Everyone would live in fear and would never be truly happy. Not to mention, him executing the 5 kages is essentially terrorism. Who would want to live in a world like that. Anyway he would never be able to achieve that since he basically has no followers and most people would revolt against him. Madara's is also stupid - it doesn't allow for individuals to think for themselves and takes away free will. Not to mention it's just an illusion and everyone turns into freaking zetsus after some time.

As of now, Naruto's is probably the best. But he seriously needs to put thought into it and come up with a plan that will change in the current shinobi system (without just murdering all the leaders and causing chaos). Maybe a true democracy (which isn't found in NV as far as I know) and also another city where people from all races/origins can live together and not be divided. The point isn't to create permanent peace and a perfect world (this isn't a children's fairy tale).

 

[maggioso]

Sasuke wants to be a DICKtator

 

[Samurai Dcrews]

You forgot to add that as a side effect of Madara's path, everyone is turned into white zetsu. Looking at how the original wz turned out, I'm not sure that would be the happy ending everyone thinks. How much time in a illusion of paradise is worth the rest of your existence as wz?

 

[take it easy]

Naruto's diplomatic way.

Sasuke even dont undersatnd that:

Kages even isn't top of ninja system

With or without bijuus wars still exist in NV

 

[The Paradox]

I think a mix of Naruto's and Sasuke's ideals would work the best. That's why I'm kind of hoping this isn't a death fight and that they both live.

Naruto's ideals- Listen to everyone, come up with a solution where 90-99% are happy (for whatever the issue is), not rule the whole shinobi world unless a crisis comes up. Be there for everyone in the Leaf and other villages (if needed). Teach the younger gens to trust and love others unless proven otherwise, never lose hope or sight of your dream. Fight for what you believe in.

Sasuke's ideals- No one knows what they are doing, so why listen to them? Do things without asking anyone (this will lead to people rebelling and probably trying to kill you), he doesn't care who is "happy" just that things are different than they were and that's all that matters. Wants to rule the whole shinobi world without any kind of crisis happening. Probably won't be there for those who need help outside of his own interests. Teach the next gen to not trust anyone, friends and family is nothing in the grand scheme, to gain power you need to hold on to a painful truth to push you forward. Kill anyone that stands in your way.

Those are what I believe to be their ideals for the new Shinobi world. And here is what I think should be taken from each:

Naruto and Sasuke's New Shinobi World: Listen to everyone, within reason since not every person needs to be heard right away. Come up with solutions to problems that work, is the most stable, and makes at least 80-90% of the population happy with it and the rest comfortable enough that they won't do anything rash. Be there for your main village, but also be willing to help out the others (trading, support, maybe allow exchange students so everyone can learn the ways of another village. Especially according to their chakra nature). Teach the younger generation to trust others, unless proven otherwise. Don't go in uneducated. Never lose hope or sight of your goals and dreams, but also never lose sight of reality. Friends and family come first, unless there is an emergency or an important mission that needs to be done. Fight for what you believe in and stand up for what your ideals are, but don't kill anyone unless they are a 100% threat to you and your people.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

You forgot to add that as a side effect of Madara's path, everyone is turned into white zetsu. Looking at how the original wz turned out, I'm not sure that would be the happy ending everyone thinks. How much time in a illusion of paradise is worth the rest of your existence as wz?

I get that everyone turns into a zetsu, but what I donlt get is how that is relevant at all? I see people bringing this up as a counter to Madara's plan but how does turning into a Zetsu or not change anything? It's not like the people in infinite tsukiyomi were going to use their bodies anyway, they're in a damn dream, so what use do they have for their bodies?

 

[WalksInShadows]

if MT didn't turn ppl into Zetsu, i would've said Madara's. That being said, Naruto's would've been the next best choice imo.

 

[KingHashirama]

NAruto Uzumaki, if you are living in reality or in Naruto-verse.

 

[V h o]

Naruto's way, his way would generally insure peace forever since everyone could know each other. If Naruto could spread ninshuu, peace should last.

 

[bencoby]

Kaguya/Madara- Extremely to the right, I'll have all the power and the rest of the world would be my zetsu army.

Naruto- Extreme left. Share all the power bonds, comrades bs

Sasuke- His way is just right. The world and people would live but he'd rule over them and maintain peace.

And how is he going to maintain that peace, please tell me?

OP: The instance you mentioned for Naruto was for Hashirama. He tried to appease other villages by handing out freebies and territories to them.
Narutos way is not about that, its about deplomacy and mutant understanding.

Sasukes way would just be a ticking time bomb. Meaning there would be another revolution after his revolution which could even lead to a more destabilized system. Which village would forgive him after he has killed their leader, knowing shinobis have strong will it would be a slaughter house he didn't even dream of.
Sasukes way of thinking is just wicked.