[Discussion] Naruto VS Sasuke Official Thread

[Agron92]

Brace yourself for the ultimate Talk no jutsu !

 

[Zyrax]

The only reason Naruto will win this, is because he's the main character. Apart from that, Sasuke "deserves" to win. The current ninja system is flawed, there's no doubt about it. He simply wants to change the system, BUT although killing the Kages is kinda necessary to change said system, it seems to be more like revenge. IMO he's right about a revolution needing to happen.

Still Sasuke is the more interesting character in this series and the single reason, why - regarding objectively - the manag Naruto is still kinda good during the last 2 years.

Looking forward to a great fight with not as many asspulls as in the last few weeks.

 

[Inferno792]

Re: To my dear naruto fans

I hear people exclaiming that Sasuke dies in this battle as he's not there for the last movie. Let me get this straight..... You guys ACTUALLY think that someone dies as they're not in a movie? How about this. Ummm..... You're crazy.

So I was wondering which part of the trailer are you talking about? The manga scans? The poster? The anime shot?
A- Manga scans:- Sasuke's there he's there with Naruto and Sakura and the camera goes through his sharingan.
B- The poster shows Naruto. So what? It's showed only Naruto for many volumes. Does that mean Sasuke's Dead? Ofc Not. There're so many movie poster where he's not there. Cmon guys.
C- The Anime shot shows only naruto again. Are you assuming that Kakashi and Sakura die too then? No. Then why sasuke? Why only him? Let me tell you why.

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It's because you want him to lose. You're supporting Naruto in the last fight. You will reject anything that suggests that Sasuke'll win and you will cling on to anything that might suggest that Naruto'll win. It's just because you want to see Naruto win that you're finding 'evidence' when there's none. You're seeing patterns where none exist. It's just like the argument that people use to prove 'Vaccines cause autism'. They don't. There's one or two cases where the child develops autism and a million when he doesn't. It's just that you chose to ignore anything that goes against your feelings.

Naruto's lost the major parts of all the tailed beasts, he only has a small portion inside. Just enough so that they can communicate with each other. Sasuke has a weird sharingan-rinnegan with six tomoes. He just used Chibaku Tensei, a rinnegan tech. Earlier in the war, a few interesting things happened:-

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As you see here, animals are affected by the IT.

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Sasuke's hawk is unaffected by the IT.
Only a rinnegan can cancel a rinnegan's genjutsu.
Therefore, the hawk must have a rinnegan.
Rinnegan can summon creatures anywhere. Even in mid-air.
Rinnegan summons have rinnegans.
Rinnegan Summons are THE only animals(Non-Humans) that have rinnegans
Therefore The hawk is a rinnegan summon

Therefore, Sasuke can use the Animal path's techninques. It logically follows that Sasuke has the other path's powers as well. He can absorb ninjutsu. Naruto can use senjutsu. One of Nagato's paths absorbed Naruto's Senjutsu enfused Ninjutsu and was turned to stone. The old frog grandpa guy said that if you don't handle the sage energy, you turn into stone. However, Sasuke already has sage energy from SO6P (He used the black chidori, which happened in curse mode, and curse mode utilize sage energy). Since he can use it, it means he can indeed use sage chakra properly, and as a result, he'll be able to ABSORB Naruto's ninjutsu. Naruto has no genjutsu. So he can only use Taijutsu. And Sasuke's way faster than Naruto now.
Naruto's fodder compared to Sasuke right now, and I dare anyone to give a proper logical retort. From what I've just written, Naruto has absolutely no logical chance of winning. HOWEVER, he will probably win due to plot. Main characters always win, even when their opponents are logically unbeatable. Sasuke doesn't HAVE to die though. Naruto wants to end the cycle of hatred. If he just kills sasuke now, Indra will transmigrate to someone else, and the cycle of hatred will carry on. Naruto needs to TnJ Sasuke and convince him to change.
But seriously though, why is naruto opposing Sasuke? Aside from killing the kages, he only wants a revolution for the good of the ninja world. I think he should just go on without killing the kages and that'll be great.

What are you blabbering about?

I stopped reading your post the moment you said Sasuke is faster than Naruto. you ask for logical explanations. Give me a logical reason of how Sasuke is faster than naruto. Just because he can use teleportation?

Sasuke wasn't the only one who got power from the SO6P. Naruto has SO6P's power too. And if you think about it, SO6P would probably give more power to Naruto, wouldnt he? He is the one he trusts more.

Just because Sasuke used Chibaku Tensei doesnt make him unbeatable. He can't absorb chakra from all the parts of his body, only his hands.

If Sasuke has the Sage's eyes, Naruto has the Sage's Chakra+9 Tailed Beasts chakra(quite a lot infact).

 

[Inferno792]

Brace yourself for the ultimate Talk no jutsu !

Sasuke deserves to die here. I dont want TNJ.

The only reason Naruto will win this, is because he's the main character. Apart from that, Sasuke "deserves" to win. The current ninja system is flawed, there's no doubt about it. He simply wants to change the system, BUT although killing the Kages is kinda necessary to change said system, it seems to be more like revenge. IMO he's right about a revolution needing to happen.

Still Sasuke is the more interesting character in this series and the single reason, why - regarding objectively - the manag Naruto is still kinda good during the last 2 years.

Looking forward to a great fight with not as many asspulls as in the last few weeks.

Sasuke deserves to win? Who gives him the right to kill other people just for his personal satisfaction?
He is a selfish ba*tard. He only thinks about what will be the best scenario for him to live in.

On the other hand, Naruto cares about other's happiness and tries to do things for other people.

And you're right about one thing, Naruto will (and deserves to) win this because he's the main character. He's lost too many against Sasuke despite being the main character.

 

[Romy9]

The only reason Naruto will win this, is because he's the main character. Apart from that, Sasuke "deserves" to win. The current ninja system is flawed, there's no doubt about it. He simply wants to change the system, BUT although killing the Kages is kinda necessary to change said system, it seems to be more like revenge. IMO he's right about a revolution needing to happen.

Still Sasuke is the more interesting character in this series and the single reason, why - regarding objectively - the manag Naruto is still kinda good during the last 2 years.

Looking forward to a great fight with not as many asspulls as in the last few weeks.

Sasuke is batshit insane. He's one of the many victims of the shinobi system but one of the few who get the idea of exterminating anyone in their path just because they have the power to do so.

Also, Naruto will win because he's more powerful. The destructive force of his power is unmatched.

 

[Trea]

It will be a draw. Sasuke is arrogant and has always believed himself to be better than Naruto. He ran away to Orochimaru when he saw Naruto progressing more than him. It is inconcievable to Sasuke that Naruto will defeat him. They will beat each other just about senseless until they are almost out of chakra. Sasuke will see Naruto's determination not to give up. As long as Sasuke keeps getting up so will Naruto. He will finally realize that Naruto means to change him or they will keep fighting until they both die. Not wanting to die, Sasuke will be TNJ'd by Naruto.

Naruto will convince him that there is a better way to change things than killing the Hokages and starting a revolution. Naruto will tell him the great lengths that Itachi went to so that Sasuke would live. He would let him know that it was Itachi's wish that he come home and protect the village. How Itachi put Shisui's eye in a crow and implanted it in Naruto to change Sasuke's mind about the village. He'll tell him that Itachi felt that only those who are acknowledged by everyone can become hokage.

Naruto will also tell him that he promised Itachi that he would do everything humanly possible to get Sasuke to protect the village, but if he could not that he should do whatever he had to do to stop him from hurting the village. Itachi loved his brother but he also loved his village. Naruto will make him realize that to continue on this path is to have Itachi die in vain. Itachi was proud that he was going to stop Edo Tensei and that his last act was going to help the village he loved.

Naruto will TNJ him, that's what he is best at after all. He will probably also have to compromise though on the matter of the tailed beasts. Sasuke will probably not relent on the tailed beasts running free. It was Kurama's attack on the village by Obito that causes his clan to be so mistrusted. Naruto will not agree to kill them but they will have to be contained in a way that no one else can get to them. The best option would be if they allow themselves to be destroyed for the sake of peace.

 

[Jnaru]

Re: How Will Naruto Deal With Sauske!

It's not like Sasuke controls them, he just paralyzes them, they can't help Naruto so he is on his own . . . AND HE WILL DIE MUAWAHAHAHA PREPARE YOUR JIMMIES TO BE RUSTLED NARUTARDS

Even wen they were inside gedo mazu , they were able to meet naruto deep in biju mode... And give him chakra so even if they are inside chibaku tensei they can meet him anytime they want

As hags said naruto is their meeting point.... And they can provide help now better than they were inside kaguya....

 

[jiraiya nindo]

Re: How Will Naruto Deal With Sauske!

Even wen they were inside gedo mazu , they were able to meet naruto deep in biju mode... And give him chakra so even if they are inside chibaku tensei they can meet him anytime they want

As hags said naruto is their meeting point.... And they can provide help now better than they were inside kaguya....

I think this will play a big part in this battle esp since hagoromo just mentioned it. The tailed beast will meet up in naruto so they can help him free them.

 

[Jimihendrix]

I'm calling it right now. This fight has to end with sealing Indra's chakra/making Indra (Sasuke) have a change of heart.

You do realize that by killing Sasuke, Indra's chakra will just find a new host in the next generation and the cycle will continue on. Naruto intends to end this feud (which he will) and that can only happen at it's core.

As much as I would like to see Naruto kill Sasuke, that's not going to happen (without doing something about Indra first). TnJ will prevail

 

[Jimihendrix]

The only reason Naruto will win this, is because he's the main character. Apart from that, Sasuke "deserves" to win. The current ninja system is flawed, there's no doubt about it. He simply wants to change the system, BUT although killing the Kages is kinda necessary to change said system, it seems to be more like revenge. IMO he's right about a revolution needing to happen.

Still Sasuke is the more interesting character in this series and the single reason, why - regarding objectively - the manag Naruto is still kinda good during the last 2 years.

Looking forward to a great fight with not as many asspulls as in the last few weeks.

are you stupid? You think the system is flawed? God dammit, it's the ****ing people who make the system flawed, you can't account for their variables, you ignorant biased little shit. Learn a little about politics.

What will Sasuke bring to the table that will result in a better "system?" His tyranny? You're so ****ing blind.

Naruto deserves to win because he's the child of prophecy. Being the last Uchiha doesn't mean jack shit

 

[jiraiya nindo]

are you stupid? You think the system is flawed? God dammit, it's the ****ing people who make the system flawed, you can't account for their variables, you ignorant biased little shit. Learn a little about politics.

What will Sasuke bring to the table that will result in a better "system?" His tyranny? You're so ****ing blind.

Naruto deserves to win because he's the child of prophecy. Being the last Uchiha doesn't mean jack shit

I agree. Sasuke isn't wrong to want a revolution but revolution can only be sustained and seen as legitimate with the support of the people. And I think that's the point. These uchiha (sasuke, obito, madara, itachi) have the belief that the support of the people is not needed until they are beat and have a change of heart.

Sasuke's revolution, without popular support, isn't a revolution. Instead it's a hegemonic grab for power.

 

[Inferno792]

I'm calling it right now. This fight has to end with sealing Indra's chakra/making Indra (Sasuke) have a change of heart.

You do realize that by killing Sasuke, Indra's chakra will just find a new host in the next generation and the cycle will continue on. Naruto intends to end this feud (which he will) and that can only happen at it's core.

As much as I would like to see Naruto kill Sasuke, that's not going to happen (without doing something about Indra first). TnJ will prevail

So Naruto might just somehow seal Indra's chakra. (maybe inside of himself.

But I dont see Sasuke surviving here. The reason I think this is because I dont think anything can change Sasuke now.
Naruto's 1 TnJ is enough for everyone he has used it on thus far except for Sasuke and I doubt it will change this time, and if it does, I would think that it is bad writing.

I mean come on, Sasuke should understand Naruto much better than Nagato or anyone else he has convinced, but he just keeps on ****ing up. He's a retard and I dont see it changing over the course of the battle.

 

[Jnaru]

Re: Sasuke Has An Evil Heart; It Will Never Be Changed

Since day one, Itachi's supposed "plan" had backfired.

While his actions did inspire Sasuke to chase after him and seek to kill him, he had also managed to damage him beyond repair. That night, Sasuke was turned into a creature of endless vengance. We've seen this over the course of the series. After all, it's his defining characteristic.

But then, supposedly, his motives changed from vengance to revolution. At least, that's what he states. However, his actions suggest otherwise.

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These are not the words of someone who honestly cares about the fate of the shinobi world. He sees the Kages as those who allowed his brother and family to be slaughtered. He sees the Elders as those who prey on and take advantage of families such as his. He sees the entire shinobi world as those who mock and ridicule the memory of his family.

This is not for revolution. This is not for change.

This is about settling debts. Revenge.

He wants to do right by his family name and punish those as he sees responsible for his misfortune. Sasuke enjoys the torture. He enjoys the idea of ending everything. In a lot of ways, he's worse than Madara. Madara, at least initially, had the best interests of the world in mind, albeit he wanted to acheive that peace against their will. Eventually, on his deathbed, he was even able to admit he was wrong about his ways.

Sasuke witnessed all of this, and STILL chose to pursue his original intention. That speaks volumes.

Sasuke Uchiha is an evil creature of revenge, and he will always find a way channel his efforts into it. Even his beloved brother's words were twisted in his own mind, changing the message of peace and acceptance into one of vengance. He doesn't care about peace or anybody of the village. They've been dead to him since the day he left, when he finally truly snapped. Do you HONESTLY believe that Sasuke doesn't have destruction in mind? He's not stupid. He knows nobody will go along with his supposed takeover.

This attack means bloodshed. A lot of it. And frankly, I believe that's what Sasuke wants. He wants to punish every last man, woman, and child. All that's changed now is that he's waiting for an excuse to exact that revenge.

TL;DR ( I highly recommend you read, though)

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Sasuke is and always has had an evil heart of revenge, it's just a matter of how he channels that endless hate. He cannot be changed. In many ways, if you watch Dexter, he has his own Dark Passenger that will always cause him to resort to revenge.

Yeah this way he wil never get a wife and he won't be restoring uchiha clan anyway... So wats the point

 

[Jnaru]

So Naruto might just somehow seal Indra's chakra. (maybe inside of himself.

But I dont see Sasuke surviving here. The reason I think this is because I dont think anything can change Sasuke now.
Naruto's 1 TnJ is enough for everyone he has used it on thus far except for Sasuke and I doubt it will change this time, and if it does, I would think that it is bad writing.

I mean come on, Sasuke should understand Naruto much better than Nagato or anyone else he has convinced, but he just keeps on ****ing up. He's a retard and I dont see it changing over the course of the battle.

Well Nagato took time before got TNJed.... He got defeated accepted fate and then understood naruto, currently sausage thinks he is above all else, ever since he left village he is been undefeated if I say so... So he got over confident

So he had to loose here then realise like kaguya, " I , owner of all chakra got defeated by part of myself" , then he will see light like obito and may get TNJed

But naruto is really goin to do wat he cldnt in first part..... Break all his bones and take him back to village

Killing isn't an answer here....

 

[Glad Of War]

Naruto has more physicals powers though..
& Many other techinques.
Gudoudamas*
Regenerative powers*
Flight*
Senjustu

E.t.c!

I really don't see Saucegay winning
Knowing Naruto I'm sure he's gonna TNJ Sasuke instead!

 

[Zyrax]

are you stupid? You think the system is flawed? God dammit, it's the ****ing people who make the system flawed, you can't account for their variables, you ignorant biased little shit. Learn a little about politics.

What will Sasuke bring to the table that will result in a better "system?" His tyranny? You're so ****ing blind.

Naruto deserves to win because he's the child of prophecy. Being the last Uchiha doesn't mean jack shit

Lol, let's just call others names if we don't have any arguments left. Way to go, sir, way to go.

Sasuke > Naruto in every single aspect. Way stronger (fighting) power. Way Smarter. Way more interesting as a character, but someone like you who only sees the terms "good" and "evil" doesn't seem to understand grayish characters like Sasuke.

What do you expect Sasuke to do? Just pretend like nothing happened and let all of them have their peaceful life after all the things he went through. Revolution needs to happen. I said earlier that killing the Kage is more revenge than a way to peace but most Revolutions in history had the aspect of getting rid of "the old system" and everything that went hand in hand with it (in this case the Kage). Naruto deserves to win cause child of Prophecy shit? Lol. Good reason. very good reason.

And one point Sasuke's damn right about: Getting rid of the Bijus. They'll be abused later on in Shinoby history anyway and will only cause further problems for future generations. Sealing them away doesn't seem like a bad idea at all.

 

[Legitbeans]

Let's compare the two side by side:

Naruto
Ideology: Free will and democracy and order. Conservative
Powers: All the bijuus' chakara and power (can avoid being trapped by genjutsu)
Can use all the elements. Elemental Rasenshuriken nukes
Yin-Yang rods and truth seeking balls
Can fly/float
Moves as fast, if not faster, than Sasuke
Senjutsu
Potential to use Bijuu avatar
Endless supply of Chakara
Regenerative powers

Sasuke
Ideology: Revolution, Tyranny, Utopian Society
Powers: All of the basic Sharingan perks
Amaterasu control
All of the basic rinnegan techniques (all of the paths)
Rinnegan teleportation
Perfect Susanoo
Black lightning Raikiri

As you can see, all of their powers match each other. They all have a way to defend or attack. It's not one sided, which means that this fight will be EPIC.

 

[Romy9]

Let's compare the two side by side:

Naruto
Ideology: Free will and democracy and order. Conservative
Powers: All the bijuus' chakara and power (can avoid being trapped by genjutsu)
Can use all the elements. Elemental Rasenshuriken nukes
Yin-Yang rods and truth seeking balls
Can fly/float
Moves as fast, if not faster, than Sasuke
Senjutsu
Potential to use Bijuu avatar
Endless supply of Chakara
Regenerative powers

Sasuke
Ideology: Revolution, Tyranny, Utopian Society
Powers: All of the basic Sharingan perks
Amaterasu control
All of the basic rinnegan techniques (all of the paths)
Rinnegan teleportation
Perfect Susanoo
Black lightning Raikiri

As you can see, all of their powers match each other. They all have a way to defend or attack. It's not one sided, which means that this fight will be EPIC.

Actually, they're not evenly matched if we talk fighting or destructive power. Naruto has beyond perfected Senjutsu that can shatter Susanoo or CT pretty easily. If I add Kokuo's amplifying ability, Sasuke should better run.

 

[Inferno792]

Well Nagato took time before got TNJed.... He got defeated accepted fate and then understood naruto, currently sausage thinks he is above all else, ever since he left village he is been undefeated if I say so... So he got over confident

So he had to loose here then realise like kaguya, " I , owner of all chakra got defeated by part of myself" , then he will see light like obito and may get TNJed

But naruto is really goin to do wat he cldnt in first part..... Break all his bones and take him back to village

Killing isn't an answer here....

Why isnt killing an answer here? Sasuke wants to kill everyone and from what he just did, noone can trust him. If he lives, who knows what he might do in the future. He's definitely a second Madara. He would do something like try to steal Naruto's chakra and abilities like madara did. He just cant be trusted anymore.

Lol, let's just call others names if we don't have any arguments left. Way to go, sir, way to go.

Sasuke > Naruto in every single aspect. Way stronger (fighting) power. Way Smarter. Way more interesting as a character, but someone like you who only sees the terms "good" and "evil" doesn't seem to understand grayish characters like Sasuke.

What do you expect Sasuke to do? Just pretend like nothing happened and let all of them have their peaceful life after all the things he went through. Revolution needs to happen. I said earlier that killing the Kage is more revenge than a way to peace but most Revolutions in history had the aspect of getting rid of "the old system" and everything that went hand in hand with it (in this case the Kage). Naruto deserves to win cause child of Prophecy shit? Lol. Good reason. very good reason.

And one point Sasuke's damn right about: Getting rid of the Bijus. They'll be abused later on in Shinoby history anyway and will only cause further problems for future generations. Sealing them away doesn't seem like a bad idea at all.

Who's right and who's wrong is just a matter of personal opinion. But there's no denying that Naruto is stronger and he is gonna win the fight.

And did you say Sasuke is smarter than Naruto?
When it comes to fighting, Naruto's a better strategist than Shikamaru. he's like Goku, who is usually dumb but the smartest guy when it comes to fighting.

Interesting character? Well. was your life similar to Sasuke's? Only then can one find Sasuke's character interesting because his character is the most unstable character I have come across in any manga/anime.

Let's compare the two side by side:

Naruto
Ideology: Free will and democracy and order. Conservative
Powers: All the bijuus' chakara and power (can avoid being trapped by genjutsu)
Can use all the elements. Elemental Rasenshuriken nukes
Yin-Yang rods and truth seeking balls
Can fly/float
Moves as fast, if not faster, than Sasuke
Senjutsu
Potential to use Bijuu avatar
Endless supply of Chakara
Regenerative powers

Sasuke
Ideology: Revolution, Tyranny, Utopian Society
Powers: All of the basic Sharingan perks
Amaterasu control
All of the basic rinnegan techniques (all of the paths)
Rinnegan teleportation
Perfect Susanoo
Black lightning Raikiri

As you can see, all of their powers match each other. They all have a way to defend or attack. It's not one sided, which means that this fight will be EPIC.

They are in no way equal.

You never counted the power that the SO6P gave Naruto.
I think they are qual if you take away SO6P's powers from Naruto and fight a Sasuke with Rinnegan.
Naruto with all that he has now is too powerful for Sasuke. I doubt that Sasuke could even injure Naruto too badly. Naruto's easily the fastest ninja in the series and add his destructive power, unlimited chakra, immunity to Genjustu to that and Sasuke is toast.

 

[Yuri Uzuma]

What a great chapter. :hooray: Sasuke was given quite a powerful and cool image here. As expected, his revolution is a bit different. For a moment I thought Madara somehow had taken Sasuke's body.. Still curious what his "revolution" would be like. Therefore, can't wait to see what Naruto has under sleeves. He seems truly confident. The final (?) battle of yin and yang.