Let's Discuss Tobirama and the Uchiha - Fair and Square!

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Yes, come and discuss Tobirama's decision concerning the Uchiha. I think that this discussion need to be done because many people have long time cursed him and treat him to be a racist segregationist - The basis for this discussion is the following screen from 619.
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The context is that we assume that Tobirama is saying the truth. Here I summarized key point in the text from what Tobirama said.

1. Tobirama knew the Uchiha's emotional problem. He even found the scientific explanation of the problem.
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2. Tobirama claimed that he tried to channel their power into something that could benefit Konoha.
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3. Tobirama claimed also that it seems that the Uchiha used their power to destroy one another.
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4. When speaking of Itachi's use of his power, he add that they did the same for the village (... for the sake of the village no less...). Then he concluded that the power served at least for the greater good.

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While, I think that his suspicion of the Uchiha, and their confinement in the police force caused an acceleration of their hatred towards Konoha, it is difficult to blame Tobirama (at least for me).

(A) Fact is that if you let the Uchiha go to the battlefield or in heavy duty mission, he might turn into a Tobi if he loses a Rin.

(B) Fact is that if you want an Uchiha to become a Shinobi leader, he had to go EMS to be able sustain his power and have a chance against a Hashimara. In this case, he will need an MS, and then his brother's pair of eyes. Then, he will become a Madara.

(C) If the Uchiha can suppress his hatred and become good, then he will become the target of some Danzou, and end up a Shisui, or served as an Itachi and kill all the other emo Uchiha.

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Do you guys think there is a better solution that Tobirama could have found? If you are not a god of Shinobis such as Hashimara who can kick the greatest Uchiha of his time what else do you think is possible to do for the Uchiha?

Before you give your solution, I would like to see your opinion on Tobirama's feelings towards the Uchiha. I personally think he desperately loved them, but had no chance in helping them. And he just needed to protect the future of the village somehow. I might be wrong because I have a military behavior. Please feel free to give a well-built analysis of what you think of Tobirama's feelings for the Uchiha.

Please hold it somehow mature and give your own opinions on this matter, and before anyone say you just hate Uchiha or smth, Obito are my favorite, and Itachi/Shisui are my 2nd favorite character, this is NOT a Uchiha bash thread :)
 

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Tobirama made all the correct choices and he was the best Hokage behind Hiruzen.
 

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yeah i aint reading all dat

he aint recist, he just knows that they are more powerful the more hate they have, and his brothers were killed by the uchihas
 

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yeah i aint reading all dat

he aint recist, he just knows that they are more powerful the more hate they have, and his brothers were killed by the uchihas

Yeah im not forcing you to read it. OT i Agree with u on the powerfull part :)
 

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Tobirama did nothing wrong. He even died to protect an Uchiha.
 

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Lets discuss how THe uchiha felt
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though the thead is one sided and too much hypocrisy
the problem was niether
main problem was hiruzen his fodderness and inability to take decisions and control his village and keep warhawks in check alongside many other $#!t
 

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he has killed Madara's lil bro. revenge is personal. go go Madara Sama and crush him to ashes!
 

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discuss about Tobirama and didn't invite me ?!


OT: he wasn't racist .. he gave them a role they'll be good at . he tried to use their power for village's sake !!! he didn't ignore them , he helped them to adapt with the village ... but it seems they weren't treated well after Tobirama's death .


and it was known by Hashirama himself .. that if another senju becomes hokage they will try to start a revolution .

not to mention that nothing bad happened to uchiha while Tobirama was hokage . he was undoubtedly the BEST HOKAGE KONOHA EVEN HAD.


#ALL #HAIL #OUR #LORD #TOBIRAMA
 

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discuss about Tobirama and didn't invite me ?!


OT: he wasn't racist .. he gave them a role they'll be good at . he tried to use their power for village's sake !!! he didn't ignore them , he helped them to adapt with the village ... but it seems they weren't treated well after Tobirama's death .




and it was known by Hashirama himself .. that if another senju becomes hokage they will try to start a revolution .

not to mention that nothing bad happened to uchiha while Tobirama was hokage . he was undoubtedly the BEST HOKAGE KONOHA EVEN HAD.


#ALL #HAIL #OUR #LORD #TOBIRAMA

100% agree on this thanks for the answer enjoyed it =) Tobirama was great.
 

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Well no. Tobirama fought against the unity of the leaf simply because he didn't like the Uchiha because he felt any one of them would become like Madara. While Tobirama may have not done anything directly evil (More like unfavorable policy: he's prejudiced and favors segregation...separate is not equal, but he never attempted genocide), he still paved the way for Danzo and gave Hiruzen a difficult time as Hokage because of it.

He should have pursued Hashirama's goals, the true voice of the Senju, and not get hung up on his personal quarrels.
 

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It's not like he hated them, he was just cautious of them.

He kept an extra strong eye on the Uchiha because they were so powerful. Didn't he himself explain this?
 

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Tobirama was the one who made the uchiha hate the Senju with his bad reign ...also why would he hide madara's corpse away from uchiha zone?...its not even his buisness !

1-bad reign
 

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good points
tobirama had to make decisions and he did
he was a best hokage in terms of policy
but the situation was way out of hand
 

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Tobirama did the best he could given the circumstances but I feel that all the hokage did the best they could given the circumstances except the 3rd. The 3rd is probably the most responsible for what happened. Arguably, danzo and orochimaru have the greatest legacy (outside of madara) when it comes to messing up the whole ninja system. And both of those ninjas could have been stopped by the 3rd or atleast influenced by him.
 

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