Kisame vs Itachi

[TheAncientCenturion]

Seriously can't believe this is being debated. Kisame will be forced to watch Itachi's hands and feet, meaning he misses Amaterasu prep. We already know the sword doesn't like fire and it's not like it can instantly absorb amaterasu. Itachi can take this easily.

The short description of the battle you put down was already discussed. I'll just leave what I said to Evani directly below. No need to say the same thing twice.

For the first quote, momentarily throw away the possibility of Samehada absorbing Amaterasu. We're working under the assumption, in this scenario, that Kisame is hit with an Amaterasu prior to using some sort of large scale sution. The type of jutsu that he largely relies on as a gate way to use all his other techniques. Because, if Kisame has a Bakusui Shōha already in use, what honestly stops him from using a Daikodan on a smaller scale to merely wash over him and absorb the Amaterasu?

His threshold for pain is nearly immeasurable. Take how he handled the lariat and his chest being blown out by Bee as an example of that. Much like Ay, he will ignore the burning flames and any damage done in the short time that it takes Kisame to use Daikodan can be undone by Samehada.

For the second quote; Samehada takes issues with heat, true. But with a wielder like Kisame, Samehada's own opinion doesn't matter.

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its will. If Kisame wants Amaterasu off of him that way, that's what will happen. And with how quickly it's able to absorb bijuu chakra, I have no doubt Amaterasu will leave minor wounds with how quickly it will be absorbed.

Itachi will be the victor of this outcome 7/10 times. He is able to seal Kisame and if Kisame makes any slip up and falls under genjutsu, it's more than likely he will be a prime target for a lethal strike. But it's not easy with full knowledge, and cases can be made for Kisame.

 

[HiddenSound]

I've always thought Itachi would win but now I'm having second thoughts.

 

[Conspirator.]

Itachi wins this high difficulty I think. However, the power differential between the 2 in negligible.

 

[Trúth]

The short description of the battle you put down was already discussed. I'll just leave what I said to Evani directly below. No need to say the same thing twice.

Itachi is his partner. It's likely he knows of Kisame's high threshold. So suppose he hits him in the face with it? Then Kisame is blinded and vulnerable to a quick attack by Itachi. Also I'd like you to take a look at this post.

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[Beans2]

Itachi is his partner. It's likely he knows of Kisame's high threshold. So suppose he hits him in the face with it? Then Kisame is blinded and vulnerable to a quick attack by Itachi. Also I'd like you to take a look at this post.

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Kisame can make water clones to occupy Itachi, plusthat strategy would work only at short range.
That thread has already been proved wrong in the replies.

 

[Trúth]

Kisame can make water clones to occupy Itachi, plusthat strategy would work only at short range.
That thread has already been proved wrong in the replies.

Has it? I didn't bother to keep up with the replies. My bad

This is supposing he has time to do that of course? Itachi's speed feats speak for themselves.

edit: i just read the last replies between the OP and the one person that wasn't trolling. Seems like the OP won.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Itachi is his partner. It's likely he knows of Kisame's high threshold. So suppose he hits him in the face with it? Then Kisame is blinded and vulnerable to a quick attack by Itachi. Also I'd like you to take a look at this post.

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Yes, I know of the thread.

With the Amaterasu; I will once more withhold my disbelief and follow along with your argument. You're working with the assumption that Itachi is going to be using Amaterasu on Kisame whom will not be making use of the following techniques;

1. Any actual Shark Summons
2. Mizu Bunshin
3. A mass of Suiton Sharks

They might not seem like much, but let me just dive on in why exactly these factors would first of all make it troubling for Itachi to even cast an Amaterasu and face the recoil without risking his well being. The actual shark summons, apart from having razor sharp teeth able to cleave a man's body apart without much momentum.

Not including the Mizu Bunshin, copies of Kisame able to replicate any feat he has along with their own versions of Samehada to boot. With being on top of Kisame's Suiton chakra, Bakusui Shōha. This allows them the advantage they need to either make use of Suiton Sharks to over whelm Itachi as he uses Amaterasu or to force him to pull his attention else where and spare Kisame of Amaterasu.

Do I even need to mention the fact Kisame or any of his Bunshin can make use of the liquids he stands on to trap Itachi in a water prison. Once more leaving him open for any open attack his Mizu Bunshin or sharks can land on him. But, onto the main point. Amaterasu on Kisame's face, not sure what added pain you think that will have or damage. Kisame's still able to use a Daikodan to absorb the Amaterasu all the same or have Samehada do, as I explained in my earlier post. And any damage done will be recovered by Samehada.

It really doesn't matter where Itachi lands it. It's going to be recovered, and the act of using it leaves him open for anything else Kisame has prepared on the field. Which he normally would have something else by the time Itachi is forced or believes he needs Amaterasu to win. You're either overrating your favorite character too much, or you're merely ignorant to what Kisame is capable of. But it's not some simple win like you'd state it is.

 

[Trúth]

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Yes, I know of the thread.

With the Amaterasu; I will once more withhold my disbelief and follow along with your argument. You're working with the assumption that Itachi is going to be using Amaterasu on Kisame whom will not be making use of the following techniques;

1. Any actual Shark Summons
2. Mizu Bunshin
3. A mass of Suiton Sharks

They might not seem like much, but let me just dive on in why exactly these factors would first of all make it troubling for Itachi to even cast an Amaterasu and face the recoil without risking his well being. The actual shark summons, apart from having razor sharp teeth able to cleave a man's body apart without much momentum.

Not including the Mizu Bunshin, copies of Kisame able to replicate any feat he has along with their own versions of Samehada to boot. With being on top of Kisame's Suiton chakra, Bakusui Shōha. This allows them the advantage they need to either make use of Suiton Sharks to over whelm Itachi as he uses Amaterasu or to force him to pull his attention else where and spare Kisame of Amaterasu.

Do I even need to mention the fact Kisame or any of his Bunshin can make use of the liquids he stands on to trap Itachi in a water prison. Once more leaving him open for any open attack his Mizu Bunshin or sharks can land on him. But, onto the main point. Amaterasu on Kisame's face, not sure what added pain you think that will have or damage. Kisame's still able to use a Daikodan to absorb the Amaterasu all the same or have Samehada do, as I explained in my earlier post. And any damage done will be recovered by Samehada.

It really doesn't matter where Itachi lands it. It's going to be recovered, and the act of using it leaves him open for anything else Kisame has prepared on the field. Which he normally would have something else by the time Itachi is forced or believes he needs Amaterasu to win. You're either overrating your favorite character too much, or you're merely ignorant to what Kisame is capable of. But it's not some simple win like you'd state it is.

Honestly I was ignorant to what Kisame was capable of, it definitely isn't low diff looks like it's going to come down to who's faster. Itachi wins more times than not imo.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Honestly I was ignorant to what Kisame was capable of, it definitely isn't low diff looks like it's going to come down to who's faster. Itachi wins more times than not imo.

Lel. He does win, as if Kisame does make any slip up in battle Itachi is given the opening to finish him. Which he could probably execute, seeing as he was able to pull one over on Nagato when he had added vision.

 

[Trúth]

Lel. He does win, as if Kisame does make any slip up in battle Itachi is given the opening to finish him. Which he could probably execute, seeing as he was able to pull one over on Nagato when he had added vision.

Hmm While we're here though you didn't mention anything about that thread I linked? I'm torn between it, can't decide if the OP is twisting panels to suit Itachi's favor or if it's actually fact.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

^ The OP's a genius

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Hmm While we're here though you didn't mention anything about that thread I linked? I'm torn between it, can't decide if the OP is twisting panels to suit Itachi's favor or if it's actually fact.

There's the chance Itachi used any part of his body to cast it, such as the panel where his arms are slowly returning to his side [

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]. But, Naruto seemed to be looking Itachi in the eye for a few pages of dialogue. I wouldn't really doubt it if he was placed under a Genjutsu at any moment of that conversation. It's far too ambiguous for me to really make a call on.

^ The OP's a genius

I hear the OP likes a fat ass.


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[Trúth]

There's the chance Itachi used any part of his body to cast it, such as the panel where his arms are slowly returning to his side [

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]. But, Naruto seemed to be looking Itachi in the eye for a few pages of dialogue. I wouldn't really doubt it if he was placed under a Genjutsu at any moment of that conversation. It's far too ambiguous for me to really make a call on.

I hear the OP likes a fat ass.


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I see the img is broken thing. My internet is just not loading it on my laptop or phone. I'll go with your call.

 

[Rιver]

For the first quote, momentarily throw away the possibility of Samehada absorbing Amaterasu. We're working under the assumption, in this scenario, that Kisame is hit with an Amaterasu prior to using some sort of large scale sution. The type of jutsu that he largely relies on as a gate way to use all his other techniques. Because, if Kisame has a Bakusui Shōha already in use, what honestly stops him from using a Daikodan on a smaller scale to merely wash over him and absorb the Amaterasu?

His threshold for pain is nearly immeasurable. Take how he handled the lariat and his chest being blown out by Bee as an example of that. Much like Ay, he will ignore the burning flames and any damage done in the short time that it takes Kisame to use Daikodan can be undone by Samehada.

For the second quote; Samehada takes issues with heat, true. But with a wielder like Kisame, Samehada's own opinion doesn't matter.

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its will. If Kisame wants Amaterasu off of him that way, that's what will happen. And with how quickly it's able to absorb bijuu chakra, I have no doubt Amaterasu will leave minor wounds with how quickly it will be absorbed.

Itachi will be the victor of this outcome 7/10 times. He is able to seal Kisame and if Kisame makes any slip up and falls under genjutsu, it's more than likely he will be a prime target for a lethal strike. But it's not easy with full knowledge, and cases can be made for Kisame.

Mostly fallacious logic. What Samehada did there, was not lent it's chakra. It was stolen against his will. It's no different from Kisame absorbing from others forcefully chakra on his own. What you're saying here, is because he managed to to steal some of it's chakra or keep it in his custody he can control it against his will. If he really could have done that, Samehada would have never left his possession after that to begin with.

What? Using an attack on himself is the worst idea possible, since it doesn't also damage him but it would damage significantly more due to it growing even bigger. Better would be absorbing the chakra himself, but such is way too slow of a process for Itachi's next attack. He then can use anything in his possession to finish Kisame. Anything. It should be obvious, Kisame is no match to Itachi.​

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Ill give you to five eastern standard time to review and edit this Versta. Some of what your saying is plain silly.

 

[Rιver]

My premise stands.​

 

[Beans2]

@Versta, using that technique on himself wouldn't harm Kisame since the technique is linked to his own chakra signature therefore only chakra with a different chakra signature (like the flames) would be absorbed. It's the same reason why Mei can tank her own lava or acid mist.

 

[Bronze]

Kurenai was able to hit Kisame with Genjutsu. Someone of Itachi's calibre of Genjutsu would one-shot him.

 

[Rιver]

@Versta, using that technique on himself wouldn't harm Kisame since the technique is linked to his own chakra signature therefore only chakra with a different chakra signature (like the flames) would be absorbed. It's the same reason why Mei can tank her own lava or acid mist.

Is it also the same reason why Sasuke's Chidori hurt himself?​