Kisame vs Itachi

[TheAncientCenturion]

...Samehada has burst out of its bandages against Asuma. This point is irrelevant.



Kisame can fuse with Samehada in seconds. @bold, scans to support this claim?

Actually, the sensor Nin with Ay claimed they were able to find Kisame and Bee due to

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. Cee implied it but his words are vague, though it's likely he mentioned it off screen to Ay and Darui, otherwise it would be Darui talking out his ass with his comment on how Kisame used it.

Though, it doesn't matter. A thirty percent Kisame made a lake effortlessly and to assume he needs something on the scale he used on Bee is absurd. Bigger is better, yes. But Kisame can make due with a smaller sized one

 

[Beans2]

For the first quote, momentarily throw away the possibility of Samehada absorbing Amaterasu. We're working under the assumption, in this scenario, that Kisame is hit with an Amaterasu prior to using some sort of large scale sution. The type of jutsu that he largely relies on as a gate way to use all his other techniques. Because, if Kisame has a Bakusui Shōha already in use, what honestly stops him from using a Daikodan on a smaller scale to merely wash over him and absorb the Amaterasu?

His threshold for pain is nearly immeasurable. Take how he handled the lariat and his chest being blown out by Bee as an example of that. Much like Ay, he will ignore the burning flames and any damage done in the short time that it takes Kisame to use Daikodan can be undone by Samehada.

For the second quote; Samehada takes issues with heat, true. But with a wielder like Kisame, Samehada's own opinion doesn't matter.

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its will. If Kisame wants Amaterasu off of him that way, that's what will happen. And with how quickly it's able to absorb bijuu chakra, I have no doubt Amaterasu will leave minor wounds with how quickly it will be absorbed.

Itachi will be the victor of this outcome 7/10 times. He is able to seal Kisame and if Kisame makes any slip up and falls under genjutsu, it's more than likely he will be a prime target for a lethal strike. But it's not easy with full knowledge, and cases can be made for Kisame.

^this. And not to mention, Kisame can make dozens of water clones. Itachi can't tell apart the clones from the original, so he won't know which to nail with Amaterasu - also clones are immune to genjutsu so genjutsu wouldn't work on them. The water clones can also merge with their Samehada duplicates.

 

[TRE MERCER]

...Samehada has burst out of its bandages against Asuma. This point is irrelevant.



Kisame can fuse with Samehada in seconds. @bold, scans to support this claim?

Didn't bother to read that novel you posted. Amaterasu can spawn in seconds. Samehada is not preta path it can get effected by what it absorbs.(

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). It got a hole put in it. All Itachi has to do is get close to him and Totsuka ends this.

 

[Haizaki]

For the first quote, momentarily throw away the possibility of Samehada absorbing Amaterasu. We're working under the assumption, in this scenario, that Kisame is hit with an Amaterasu prior to using some sort of large scale sution. The type of jutsu that he largely relies on as a gate way to use all his other techniques. Because, if Kisame has a Bakusui Shōha already in use, what honestly stops him from using a Daikodan on a smaller scale to merely wash over him and absorb the Amaterasu?

His threshold for pain is nearly immeasurable. Take how he handled the lariat and his chest being blown out by Bee as an example of that. Much like Ay, he will ignore the burning flames and any damage done in the short time that it takes Kisame to use Daikodan can be undone by Samehada.

For the second quote; Samehada takes issues with heat, true. But with a wielder like Kisame, Samehada's own opinion doesn't matter.

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its will. If Kisame wants Amaterasu off of him that way, that's what will happen. And with how quickly it's able to absorb bijuu chakra, I have no doubt Amaterasu will leave minor wounds with how quickly it will be absorbed.

Itachi will be the victor of this outcome 7/10 times. He is able to seal Kisame and if Kisame makes any slip up and falls under genjutsu, it's more than likely he will be a prime target for a lethal strike. But it's not easy with full knowledge, and cases can be made for Kisame.

You made a very good point here. Though it depends on if Kisame can avoid eye contact as he can break out of any genjutsu asides Tsukoyomi. I gave Itachi the victory cuz of Amaterasu but it can go either way now.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

You made a very good point here. Though it depends on if Kisame can avoid eye contact as he can break out of any genjutsu asides Tsukoyomi. I gave Itachi the victory cuz of Amaterasu but it can go either way now.

Genjutsu is the real killer. If Kisame wises up and fuses, allowing himself to be a sensor and fully avoid any Genjutsu he stands a much better chance. But that's somewhat unlikely for him to do commonly.

 

[Beans2]

Didn't bother to read that novel you posted.

Read what Centurion said, it's basically saying the same thing: which is that Kisame can force Samehada to absorb chakra and Samehada won't

Amaterasu can spawn in seconds. Samehada is not preta path it can get effected by what it absorbs.(

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). It got a hole put in it. All Itachi has to do is get close to him and Totsuka ends this.

I know that he already had Killer Bee's chakra. I'm saying that it's irrelevant whether he had Bee's chakra or not, he can sense him regardless.

Even if Amaterasu hits Kisame beforehand, Kisame can just merge with Samehada while he's on fire. Then Samehada absorbs the flames and heals his burns. Or he can just make a water clone which shoots a Daikodan at him and absorbs the fire.

 

[Beans2]

Genjutsu is the real killer. If Kisame wises up and fuses, allowing himself to be a sensor and fully avoid any Genjutsu he stands a much better chance. But that's somewhat unlikely for him to do commonly.

What's your opinion on Samehada breaking Kisame out of genjutsu?

 

[Blackdeath667]

what counter is there for amatarsu or even tsukoiyomi

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

What's your opinion on Samehada breaking Kisame out of genjutsu?

It's a stretch to assume. Samehada isn't unintelligent by any means, but there's still far too limited information on what it does and doesn't know. I usually stray from the argument now.

what counter is there for amatarsu or even tsukoiyomi

If you read the thread fully, there has been one listed for Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi can be avoided.

 

[Haizaki]

Genjutsu is the real killer. If Kisame wises up and fuses, allowing himself to be a sensor and fully avoid any Genjutsu he stands a much better chance. But that's somewhat unlikely for him to do commonly.

Samehada can knock him out of it if he fuses. Even if he doesn't, Samehada can still knock him out

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like how Sakura did to Naruto against Itachi. This battle would be tough indeed.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Samehada can knock him out of it if he fuses. Even if he doesn't, Samehada can still knock him out

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like how Sakura did to Naruto against Itachi. This battle would be tough indeed.

The question usually comes down to is; "Does Samehada recognize Genjutsu, and if it somehow can. Does it know how to snap Kisame out?"

The first half is an easy yes. As a sensor and something able to tell when it's wielder is distraught, even physical wounds it seems to have a connection with Kisame as it healed him with no comment made by Kisame. But, the tricky part is whether or not Samehada knows how to snap Kisame out of a genjutsu. If it knows the methods.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Read what Centurion said, it's basically saying the same thing: which is that Kisame can force Samehada to absorb chakra and Samehada won't



I know that he already had Killer Bee's chakra. I'm saying that it's irrelevant whether he had Bee's chakra or not, he can sense him regardless.

Even if Amaterasu hits Kisame beforehand, Kisame can just merge with Samehada while he's on fire. Then Samehada absorbs the flames and heals his burns. Or he can just make a water clone which shoots a Daikodan at him and absorbs the fire.

A while Itachi sits and watch huh? Totsuka would have already finished the job. Kisame wouldn't be able to use any of his jutsu seeing as he can't perform hand signs while fused since his hands are webbed.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

A while Itachi sits and watch huh? Totsuka would have already finished the job. Kisame wouldn't be able to use any of his jutsu seeing as he can't perform hand signs while fused since his hands are webbed.

What? What exactly stops Kisame from using hand signs, webbing he might break apart as he bends his fingers? Like that's truly an issue for a shinobi who is willing to bite off his own tongue. Kisame's fully capable of using any technique when fused with annoyances so small it's not even worth mentioning. Not to mention there's a regenerative factor to Kisamehada.

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, and then return them to his being

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.

That's a very silly thing to suggest, webbing stopping Kisame from executing hand signs.

 

[Beans2]

A while Itachi sits and watch huh? Totsuka would have already finished the job. Kisame wouldn't be able to use any of his jutsu seeing as he can't perform hand signs while fused since his hands are webbed.

You're grasping at straws here fam

 

[Demonic.]

Still don't see an effective counter to Tsukuyomi. Bee was already caught in Genjutsu while holding Samehada. I doubt Kisame will fuse with Samehada so quickly.

 

[Eternal Sage]

Tsukuyomi takes place in one second, so kisame gets taken out by it even if samehada dispels. A large amount of Amaterasu isn't being absorbed by samehada either.
This fight depends on if itachi can beat kisame before waterdome, which is very likely

 

[Scooby Doo]

It may just be an assumption, but considering that they have spent a lot of time together, and Itachi has the sharingan, he could copy most of Kisame's techs (Itachi has water stlye ). Also, knowing Itachi, he probably has come up with counters to Kisame during their missions. He joined Akatsuki after all to keep them on a leash. Kisame also admitted that Itachi is somewhat better (Look it up after they left Konoha).

Kisame is a really good match up for Itachi, but I'd rather give it to the latter.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Kisame wins quite handily.

He has intel on Tsukuyomi in manga cannon. Generic Genjutsu is countered by Samehada quite easily, as is Amaterasu. Samehada 'not liking it' isn't the same as not being able to absorb it in the first place. It can and will absorb it if it's a life or death situation, as well as repair any damage.

Susano'o/Totsuka/Yata mirror is completely circumvented by Kisame going underground, and from there there's not much Itachi can do to save himself

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[naruto7861]

So many itachi haters they are just butthurt that he beats thier fav lol
Itachi low diff

 

[Trúth]

Seriously can't believe this is being debated. Kisame will be forced to watch Itachi's hands and feet, meaning he misses Amaterasu prep. We already know the sword doesn't like fire and it's not like it can instantly absorb amaterasu. Itachi can take this easily.