Base Kakashi Vs Tsunade

[Killua Zoldyck]

Okay, I think this is the point where I can't take you seriously anymore. Kakashi's chakra got replenished in nearly every 30 minutes, his chakra pool hasn't increased that much.

Ironically, I was thinking the underlined when I read the bolded. Chakra does not simply replenish in 30min, that's absolutely absurd. Even an Edo's chakra pool does not replenish that fast, as proven by Edo Minato. He went from only being capable of using Kamui on a missile and a small needle to being capable of using Kamui on an entire Mazu hand with hardly any drawbacks, your not going to tell me that his chakra hasn't increased much , there is a general consensus on the fact that Kakashi got a massive chakra pool during the war already. It has easily increased X4-5 times what he had during the Pein invasion, if not more, and you can double that if you take away the drain he gets from having Sharingan activated.

 

[Demonic.]

Tsunade beats this clown

 

[RicardoA]

What? Not even close, his stamina got WAY better, he can spam Raikiri and its variations now. He has also gotten way faster to the point that he can blitz a V2 Jinchuriki.

Raiton Clone + Raiden cut her in half or decapitate her. And other Raiton related combos that he has. He also has a large water source here, which could definitely benefit him.

Did you really brought Kakashi's stamina up to discuss against Tsunade? ._.
Without the Sharingan Raikiri is a shot in the dark. He charges in like that against an evasion and CQC master of this caliber and i'm positive he'll be running for his death.

Assuming he'll be able to deploy the clone, her fist will connect and he'll go straight for her neck. Its not nearly that easy.
How is Suiton of any help here? ._.
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Anyway, just to make it clear, i'm not looking to get enlightened about this match up. I already had an opinion formed about it before posting in this thread.
From the undetone of your op i got the idea that you made this thread to see others claiming the same as you, not to see different opinions, for that reason i don't see the point in continuing this discussion.
This is just to share that i respect your opinion but i can't agree with it. But if you really want to carry this on, i'll just go along with it.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Did you really brought Kakashi's stamina up to discuss against Tsunade? ._.
Without the Sharingan Raikiri is a shot in the dark. He charges in like that against an evasion and CQC master of this caliber and i'm positive he'll be running for his death.

Minato called it an incomplete Jutsu way back in Kakashi Gaiden. Now its more then just complete, as he can even incorporate it in different ways. That "shot in the dark" does not apply to him anymore, as he has beyond completed it. Either way, he has other variations of it that he can use, he can simply chanel the chakra through a Kunai and cut her head off that way. Or he can send in two clones with Raiden.

Assuming he'll be able to deploy the clone, her fist will connect and he'll go straight for her neck. I don't think its that easy.
How is Suiton of any help here? ._.

Suiton helps keep her at bay, as well as make Suiton clones, which are not nearly as chakra taxing as his Raiton ones, and can be used for the same purpose.

 

[Goju Ryu]

You talk like Tsunade was a low level ninja who Kakashi could easily cut her head off.

Dude, She is one of the Sannins, She survived two wars (one against Madara!!!). Do you really think that is that simple to cut her head off?

 

[RicardoA]

Minato called it an incomplete Jutsu way back in Kakashi Gaiden. Now its more then just complete, as he can even incorporate it in different ways. That "shot in the dark" does not apply to him anymore, as he has beyond completed it. Either way, he has other variations of it that he can use, he can simply chanel the chakra through a Kunai and cut her head off that way. Or he can send in two clones with Raiden.

You should try and back that up with some manga material, because having different forms of Raiton doesn't prove any of that. There's a reason why everytime he fought against a serious opponent he relied on his Sharingan.
He's not fooling a kage who doesn't have to touch him to cause serious damage, with a Raiton bunshin, in the middle of a battle and in plain sight.
CQC against Tsunade? Kakashi is not even a taijutsu master, w/ or w/o Sharingan. Hell, Kakuzu (who's worth a 4 in taijutsu) legitimately had him on lockdown (

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) Where was his Raiton bunshin?

Suiton helps keep her at bay, as well as make Suiton clones, which are not nearly as chakra taxing as his Raiton ones, and can be used for the same purpose.

Water clones? Really? Lol Do you have any idea how weak those clones are?
"Suiton keeps her at bay". Ok. Meanwhile Kakashi is out of chakra, solos himself and Tsunade didn't even needed to charge in or activate Byakugo because he was too busy keeping her at bay.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

You talk like Tsunade was a low level ninja who Kakashi could easily cut her head off.

Dude, She is one of the Sannins, She survived two wars (one against Madara!!!). Do you really think that is that simple to cut her head off?

No, but Kakashi has the speed to blitz V2 Jinchurikis. Of course the fight would be more then simply blitzing and cutting off her head, assuming they are IC at least, but the end result will be him cutting off her head.

You should try and back that up with some manga material, because having different forms of Raiton doesn't prove any of that. There's a reason why everytime he fought against a serious opponent he relied on his Sharingan.
He's not fooling a kage who doesn't have to touch him to cause serious damage, with a Raiton bunshin, in the middle of a battle and in plain sight.
CQC against Tsunade? Kakashi is not even a taijutsu master, w/ or w/o Sharingan. Hell, Kakuzu (who's worth a 4 in taijutsu) legitimately had him on lockdown (

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) Where was his Raiton bunshin?

Does not have to touch him to cause serious damage? Explain, Tsunade literally can ONLY damage people by touching them. You think its as simple as making a Clone it plain sight? Re-read the fight between Itachi and Kakashi. Kakuzu had his mid-long range tendrils and was faster then Tsunade, Kakashi got even faster during the War Arc. And besides, Tsunade could not even hit Part 1 Kabuto until PIS kicked in, if you wanna play the "Look who did what" game.

Water clones? Really? Lol Do you have any idea how weak those clones are?
"Suiton keeps her at bay". Ok. Meanwhile Kakashi is out of chakra, solos himself and Tsunade didn't even needed to charge in or activate Byakugo because he was too busy keeping her at bay.

Suiton Clones don't have to be strong, they can act as scape goats. Kakashi out of chakra? Your kidding right? Suiton attacks with a water source will cost him next to no chakra. He was able to use roughly 6 Kamuis, 10 Raikiri variations, Raiton Clones and Doton walls and kept up the Sharingan for the majority of the war until he ran out of chakra. If you take out Sharingan and Kamui out of that equation he has way more chakra at his disposal. By keeping her at bay, I mean if she ever got a advantageous position, Suiton knocks her back.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

About Raikiri:

"This technique has a major drawback, however. The speed at which the attack must be done, combined with the fact that the user must run in a straight line, causes a tunnel vision-like effect for the user. This allows the enemy to easily counter the attack, making it a potentially lethal move for the user. Though this drawback would seem to make learning the technique fairly pointless, Sasuke and Kakashi are able to avoid the drawback because of their Sharingan, which takes in every detail, regardless of how fast the user is moving."

If Kakashi use Raikiri against Tsunade without Sharingan he gonna get punched and die.

Hence why I said he'd use raiden. Not raikiri.

 

[Rike Senju]

Kakashi can paralyze tsunade with a raiton clone, then take her out with raikiri to the head.

 

[TheEvilOne]

The Raiton isn't paralyzing Tsunade considering she was able to move with stabbed spine ( instant death or paralysis )

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The Raiton isn't paralyzing Tsunade considering she was able to move with stabbed spine ( instant death or paralysis )

Yes it is. The electricity is working on the muscles themselves not the spine

 

[vikramantippu]

Kakashi will win. He will simply pass the attacks by MS and send her to another dimension. GAME OVER

 

[TheEvilOne]

Yes it is. The electricity is working on the muscles themselves not the spine

Its the same damn thing. The Raiton affects the nervous system, not just the muscles.
If that wasn't able to paralyze/kill her than I have absolutely no reason to believe the raiton can paralyze her, especially with Byakugou activated. It would instantly fix her muscles.

 

[KazekageDaichi]

Tsunade would bash his face in.

 

[Goju Ryu]

Kakashi will win. He will simply pass the attacks by MS and send her to another dimension. GAME OVER

Sharingan is restricted...

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

There's no debating this.

Raiton Bunshin feint followed by a Lightning Transmission Cable ends this match.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Its the same damn thing. The Raiton affects the nervous system, not just the muscles.
If that wasn't able to paralyze/kill her than I have absolutely no reason to believe the raiton can paralyze her, especially with Byakugou activated. It would instantly fix her muscles.

The spine acts like a transmitter/ receiver from the brain. Even if one is paralyzed due to a spinal injury the muscles themselves would still react to an outside electric stimuli.

 

[TheEvilOne]

The spine acts like a transmitter/ receiver from the brain. Even if one is paralyzed due to a spinal injury the muscles themselves would still react to an outside electric stimuli.

Have you ever seen a person running and kicking ass after getting stabbed by a huge ass sword?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Have you ever seen a person running and kicking ass after getting stabbed by a huge ass sword?

Her muscles aren't suffering from rigor mortis so there's no reason to believe it wouldn't respond to an artificial stimuli

 

[pateuvasiliu]

By a technique for more powerful than the Raikiri. Size matter in this case because Kakashi has simply no way to put her down.

If the Kyuubi's corrosive chakra touches a regular slug, it dies. If a village buster technique hits a regular slug, it dies. Katsuyu survived both techniques, so there is no way Kakashi's raiton oneshotting her full body. Period. Not to mention she could split before the attack hits and stomp Kakashi with her human sized parts.

Different type of attacks, different results.

The kyubi's chakra is corrosive and would go through her skin first. You can bet your ass Raikiri will go through her skin and once lightnign touches the massive amount of water inside, it's over.