Establishing why Sasuke's characterization and devlopment is greater than Naruto's

[Nagi]

My point was that for someone who views Sasuke that deeply, you view Naruto in such a simple way.

A few years ago, People used to say it "curiosity" that eating Naruto up and making him act that way. Naruto wanted to know what it feel like to have people care for him and acknowledge him. People used to say naruto is interesting than sasuke. Now looking back on that, I half agree about the "curiosity" part. When I look at other characters that want to be acknowledge by other, they tend to go out and make name for themselves. But naruto didn't, he stay in the village. I guess this why kishimoto made him dumb. Because anyone with common sense wouldn't have done half of the shit naruto did.

 

[ANiMUS]

My point was that for someone who views Sasuke that deeply, you view Naruto in such a simple way.

Naruto actually is kind of simple if you look at it in a development kind of way. Naruto's character is linear he started at a low point as an underdog and has since just continued to rise higher and higher without taking a step back. He continues to overcome challenges without breaking his code and that is kinda boring imo

 

[Dannie]

What "development?"

He was an EMO narcissist in part one and he is still an EMO narcissist.

Now I do believe kishimoto,is about to mature him as closure to his role in the manga and as a result of the character discovering that his view of what was wrong had no basis. But at the moment, he has not changed in the slightest.

You don't read the manga, I guess.

The number one reason why I don't like Kakashi is because he never once try to question or find out the truth behind the uchiha massacre. When he was told that the Uchiha clan was behind the 4th hokage's death, he didn't even try to investigate. He a broken character. He wanted Sasuke to let go of the past and move on without finding any answer. Terrible ass teacher.

Nicely said. Kakashi can't even protect his own friends and he's trying to tell Sasuke what to do.

My point was that for someone who views Sasuke that deeply, you view Naruto in such a simple way.

What's not simple about Naruto?

 

[Dragon Master]

Naruto = Never Give Up
Sasuke = Changed. Again. Again.

That's why I like Naruto more than Sasuke.

 

[shelke]

My point was that for someone who views Sasuke that deeply, you view Naruto in such a simple way.

Well, isn't his character a bit too simplistic? He isn't realistic. He's like a Mock Epic Hero, only worse, because those were made to mock the concept. Search the term. You'll get the idea.

 

[cafe123]

He's a greatly developed character that's not one dimensional like Naruto is, you always know what Naruto will do, with Sasuke you don't.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

A few years ago, People used to say it "curiosity" that eating Naruto up and making him act that way. Naruto wanted to know what it feel like to have people care for him and acknowledge him. People used to say naruto is interesting than sasuke. Now looking back on that, I half agree about the "curiosity" part. When I look at other characters that want to be acknowledge by other, they tend to go out and make name for themselves. But naruto didn't, he stay in the village. I guess this why kishimoto made him dumb. Because anyone with common sense wouldn't have done half of the shit naruto did.

That's because Sasuke is like his brother and he already formed the "Never go back on my word" moral.

 

[ANiMUS]

I'm not talking about Sasuke wanting people to feel sorry for him. I'm talking about kishi. Hey constantly makes Sasuke look like the problem child anti-hero who everyone seems to worry about.

He's done this in the later half of part 1 and all throughout part 2 until the post war arc.

But, that is more how everyone views Sasuke not sasuke himself. Tbh, they really r too attached to him

 

[Nagi]

Well, isn't his character a bit too simplistic? He isn't realistic. He's like a Mock Epic Hero, only worse, because those were made to mock the concept. Search the term. You'll get the idea.

Been a while since I heard that term. Yeah, Naruto be selling that false hope to people.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Well, isn't his character a bit too simplistic? He isn't realistic. He's like a Mock Epic Hero, only worse, because those were made to mock the concept. Search the term. You'll get the idea.

Lol, I didn't notice that was you for a second there. I guess you're right but to be honest I probably just think of Naruto highly because I find him to be inspirational, and I can relate in some ways, while with Sasuke I cannot. I know it sounds dumb though.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Seriously though, Part 2 Naruto's character is as shit as Tsunade's character.

 

[UzumakiWade]

Naruto and Kakashi's development is far greater than Sasuke's IMO.

But that is just my opinion, like how you claim Sasukes development is greater than Naruto's.

It is all based on pure opinion no matter what anyone says.

 

[Dannie]

All you really did was bash Naruto while you talked up Sasuke, I can easily do that in reverse. Not really impressed. If you're going to talk about Sasuke's growth then do it and don't mainly use Naruto in a way of bashing, you could have done it a better way than that.

Something a Naruto fanboy would say. I'm quite disappointed that you didn't read all of it because I gave Naruto his feats and how he has developed when it came to avenging his teacher and befriending the Bijuu, but not on the same level of Sasuke. Pretty much the point of this thread is to prove to people that besides his power, Naruto's development and characterization is pitiful, especially his disgusting obsession for Sasuke. It would have been idiotic if I hyped up Naruto when in fact there's nothing for him to hype up.

 

[shelke]

Lol, I didn't notice that was you for a second there. I guess you're right but to be honest I probably just think of Naruto highly because I find him to be inspirational, and I can relate in some ways, while with Sasuke I cannot. I know it sounds dumb though.

Yeah, just changed by Sig and Avatar. Wanted to put Midorima there for some time. All right, fair enough. I would rep you tomorrow for debating in a level-headed manner. I have given too much rep over the course of 24 hours.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Something a Naruto fanboy would say. I'm quite disappointed that you didn't read all of it because I gave Naruto his feats and how he has developed when it came to avenging his teacher and befriending the Bijuu, but not on the same level of Sasuke. Pretty much the point of this thread is to prove to people that besides his power, Naruto's development and characterization is pitiful, especially his disgusting obsession for Sasuke. It would have been idiotic if I hyped up Naruto when in fact there's nothing for him to hype up.

His obsession isn't an obsession, it is like brotherly love, they even have the chakra of the same brothers. Aren't you the one who was defending Karin's obsession?

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Yeah, just changed by Sig and Avatar. Wanted to put Midorima there for some time. All right, fair enough. I would rep you tomorrow for debating in a level-headed manner. I have given too much rep over the course of 24 hours.

Alright, I'm out. I'm gonna grab something to eat.

 

[UzumakiWade]

Something a Naruto fanboy would say. I'm quite disappointed that you didn't read all of it because I gave Naruto his feats and how he has developed when it came to avenging his teacher and befriending the Bijuu, but not on the same level of Sasuke. Pretty much the point of this thread is to prove to people that besides his power, Naruto's development and characterization is pitiful, especially his disgusting obsession for Sasuke. It would have been idiotic if I hyped up Naruto when in fact there's nothing for him to hype up.

Not true at all, any Naruto fan can do exactly what you did in reverse and hype Naruto while giving Sasuke his feats.

 

[To Whatever]

But, that is more how everyone views Sasuke not sasuke himself. Tbh, they really r too attached to him

Yeah, but his character design was always cool and slightly mysterious. And due to him being an anti-hero it turned into everyone worrying about him. Like every panel that regards him is mostly people being either wary of him or worrying about him.

The only person i've seen actually mention Sasuke and wasn't doing these two things were Orochimaru.

I personally don't like how everyone in the series views him, and that's part of why I don't like him as much as Naruto.

They either view him in a negative light or they view him as someone who needs to be looked after and talked to as if he's a problem child with little understanding.

An example would be when Hashirama and Itachi talk to Sasuke. They talk to him exactly like he's a child. Even Obito has done this. Subtly trying to appease him all while the same time trying to either change his mind or do something against what he originally planned.

Out of every character in the series. Sasuke has to be one of the most left out of the loop characters in the series. Next to Obito & Naruto.

I know characters talk to Naruto like he's a dumb-ass, but that's for the sake of the reader or comedic effect. Even then. He's still a selective dumb-ass.

 

[Nagi]

His obsession isn't an obsession, it is like brotherly love, they even have the chakra of the same brothers. Aren't you the one who was defending Karin's obsession?

He just notice that sasuke is the only only that ain't looking down on him like everybody else. So he consider him his first real friend because of that. But he clearly forgetting the fact that Sasuke got his own life to deal with. So really naruto just being selfish. Naruto just need to fall back and stop acting like he understand sasuke's pain. When he said, that their roles could easily be reverse or sasuke wouldn't have be a uchiha and he don't have to be tail beast boy, Im like wtf!! That was a direct insult to Sasuke. That was like saying I pity you and i care for you because you're black so i wanna save you.

Karin's obsession is karin's obsession lol.

 

[King Of Pop]

Lol, I didn't notice that was you for a second there. I guess you're right but to be honest I probably just think of Naruto highly because I find him to be inspirational, and I can relate in some ways, while with Sasuke I cannot. I know it sounds dumb though.

not really, its your opinion afterall so its fair.