Father-son team vs Founders team
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Iʻll take some of this action.
Since when does Hashirama get the juubiʻs feats? Hashiramaʻs wood golem and probably shinsuusenjuu can catch bijuudamas and throw them back, they canʻt flick them away. That doesnʻt really matter though since minato has the ability to warp bijuudamas right into any of his markers, and the bijuudamas that Naruto or Minato are able o generate are even bigger than mokujin. Hashirama isnʻt catching a bijuudama thatʻs warped into his shinsuusenjuu.
Flower tree world and pretty much any of hashiramaʻs giant mokutons are fodder to minato or Naruto as a single bijuudama destroyed 99.9% of all the mokuton within its blast radius, they simply jump and fire one right into the incoming forest. Donʻt see why polen would affect Naruto or minato while they are in their chakra avatars. Hotei gates werenʻt even an option against Madaraʻs 100% Kurama, theyʻre not an option against contructs that are far faster and smaller.
A BM FRS cut through the juubiʻs tails, the same tails that withstood Beeʻs bijuudama and tons of giant chakra blade attacks. Considering a PS slash is only on par with a bijuudama, a BM Chou oodama rasenshuriken is hundreds of times larger than a BM FRS and SM massively increases the power of a jutsu, a BSM Chou oodama rasenshuriken would be even more powerful than the bijuudamas that were being fired at VoTe.
So no, Hashirama does not solo, he gets destroyed if he takes both naruto and minato on. a single normal bijuudama destroyed mokujin, an entire battlefield of mokuton and 2 mokuryus, either naruto or minato would fodderize hashiramaʻs base arsenal. Shinsuusenjuu is his only option, and it gets a super senpou bijuudama warped into it or eventually gets destroyed by a barrage of BSM Chou oodama rasenshurikens.
BM NAruto blocked the juubiʻs focuses laser with his chakra cloak, shinsuusenjuuʻs barrage of punches are not going to destroy a BSM avatar before Minato and Naruto destroy it, especially when minato is teleporting NAruto out of danger.
Throwing Madara in here makes it balanced.
Not only that, but Naruto while naruto was fighting he was spreading his chakra across the entire shinobi alliance. Even when Sasuke used his PS to cover Naruto, he STILL wasnʻt on narutoʻs level as his PS was being powered up by Narutoʻs BSM chakra (since Sasuke canʻt touch the onmyouton without it).
Sasukeʻs strongest attack with his BM + Senjutsu enhanced V3 legged susanoo was = to BSM NArutoʻs weakest attack while the far more powerful EMS MAdaraʻs PS was stated to only have power on par with a bijuu.
BSM NAruto > BM NAruto >> EMS Sasuke, simply fighting alongside each other does not = equality.
Since when does Hashirama get the juubiʻs feats? Hashiramaʻs wood golem and probably shinsuusenjuu can catch bijuudamas and throw them back, they canʻt flick them away. That doesnʻt really matter though since minato has the ability to warp bijuudamas right into any of his markers, and the bijuudamas that Naruto or Minato are able o generate are even bigger than mokujin. Hashirama isnʻt catching a bijuudama thatʻs warped into his shinsuusenjuu.
Flower tree world and pretty much any of hashiramaʻs giant mokutons are fodder to minato or Naruto as a single bijuudama destroyed 99.9% of all the mokuton within its blast radius, they simply jump and fire one right into the incoming forest. Donʻt see why polen would affect Naruto or minato while they are in their chakra avatars. Hotei gates werenʻt even an option against Madaraʻs 100% Kurama, theyʻre not an option against contructs that are far faster and smaller.
PS blades only generate mountain-cutting slashes when PS swings them. When they are attached to the bijuudamaʻs they donʻt generate any shockwaves. I donʻt see what rasenshuriken not cutting 3rd raikage has to do with downplaying the tech. Sandaime raikageʻs body was hyped as being able to withstand ANY attack, thatʻs limitless durability hype which makes him maximally durable at that time in the manga.
A BM FRS cut through the juubiʻs tails, the same tails that withstood Beeʻs bijuudama and tons of giant chakra blade attacks. Considering a PS slash is only on par with a bijuudama, a BM Chou oodama rasenshuriken is hundreds of times larger than a BM FRS and SM massively increases the power of a jutsu, a BSM Chou oodama rasenshuriken would be even more powerful than the bijuudamas that were being fired at VoTe.
So no, Hashirama does not solo, he gets destroyed if he takes both naruto and minato on. a single normal bijuudama destroyed mokujin, an entire battlefield of mokuton and 2 mokuryus, either naruto or minato would fodderize hashiramaʻs base arsenal. Shinsuusenjuu is his only option, and it gets a super senpou bijuudama warped into it or eventually gets destroyed by a barrage of BSM Chou oodama rasenshurikens.
BM NAruto blocked the juubiʻs focuses laser with his chakra cloak, shinsuusenjuuʻs barrage of punches are not going to destroy a BSM avatar before Minato and Naruto destroy it, especially when minato is teleporting NAruto out of danger.
Throwing Madara in here makes it balanced.
BSM Naruto completely outshined Sasukeʻs legged V3 susanoo. Not only was sasukeʻs susanoo being powered up by Narutoʻs yin yang chakra cloak, but it was also being powered up by juugoʻs senjutsu, yet even after all those boosts, Sasukeʻs most powerful attack,
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Sasukeʻs attack did nothing to just two of obitoʻs orbs while Narutoʻs tiny senpou bijuudama
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and exposed Obito. Not only that, but Naruto while naruto was fighting he was spreading his chakra across the entire shinobi alliance. Even when Sasuke used his PS to cover Naruto, he STILL wasnʻt on narutoʻs level as his PS was being powered up by Narutoʻs BSM chakra (since Sasuke canʻt touch the onmyouton without it).
Sasukeʻs strongest attack with his BM + Senjutsu enhanced V3 legged susanoo was = to BSM NArutoʻs weakest attack while the far more powerful EMS MAdaraʻs PS was stated to only have power on par with a bijuu.
BSM NAruto > BM NAruto >> EMS Sasuke, simply fighting alongside each other does not = equality.
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Eternal Sage
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Hashirama can solo extreme high diff. Wood dragon gets rid of naruto's cloak (and bijuudama capabilities) and without bijuu cloak, father-son get literally stomped on by PS and SS
you gots ta read the manga.
not even mokujin can withstand a normal bijuudama going off, wood dragon is fodder to BM Naruto now that Naruto knows what it does. Madara knew what wood dragon did, so instead of wrestling with it, he ordered Kurama to nuke it. BM Naruto does the same.
Baki of the sand
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That was Madara's Mokuton boy. You're forgetting SM Hashirama can also add Gate of the Great God, effectively immobilizing Naruto. And unless you think Minato can take on Hashirama and Madara at the same time, he gets gang raped like I said.
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1-and?
2- Naruto can undo the avatar, or even destroy the gates with his strength. They are not impossible to destroy. Lol
3- lol, that assuming Naruto would be out to begin with. Not to mention even IF Naruto can't destroy the gates, minato
can simply teleport him out, not hard... Lol
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Madara and Hashirama shits. Hashirama could solo. Madara would lose high difficulty. Together they stomp.
BenjerminGaye
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The ten tails isn't physically stronger than naruto. Standard wall palm's stop it.