Byakugan 白眼 True Origin
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There are many ****ing different islands that aren't part of the Five Nations continent, you need to learn common sense.
He has grey/silver reddish hair because he's old, get it right. That was my point, we haven't seen an official coloured picture of him when he's young, so we have to go by his old age pic, which he has grey/sillver hair along with the reddish brown. Get it right.
Also close relatives don't always have the same hair colour.
You have the comprehension of a 1 year old.
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This argument is a waste of both our times. We'll see if the manga proves which one of us is right.
You need to get your eyes checked mane.
I dont see any grey at all.
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My eyes are fine, and I can clearly see grey in it, you just have to really squint at it to see it. Its definitely there, the reason why I mention it, is to possibly explain the reason why the Sage's hair is depicted in the manga like it is. Because his hair is a reddish brown, however with a little grey there, because of his old age, it can explain the reason why his hair is depicted the way it is.
You are everything I've come to expect out of government education. Your reading comprehension skills trumped only by my cat's.
I apologize - the more correct interpretation is "Mystic Female"
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" The Taoist universe inflates, expanding from the force of cosmic chi energy and the spiral energy of the Tai-ji. As the ten thousand things take form, they are propelled through a portal or interface between Yin and Yang, called the Gateway Of The Mystic Female (玄牝) or the Mysterious Pass (玄關) into the universe. (Pregadio, The Encyclopedia Of Taoism, p. 1138.) The portal has characteristics between Non-Being and Being, connecting Wu-ji and Tai-ji. Wu-ji breathes the energy wind, analogous to living breath, through the Gateway. The following excerpts describe the portal as the exit of a pumping bellows, full of the “nourishing energies” of the “root of Heaven and Earth.” (See, e.g, Moeller, Hans, Daoism Explained, Peru: Carus Publishing Co., c. 2004, p. 42.) "
There is a time for semantics, and a time to ignore semantics. You'll find that the world becomes a very meaningful place when you learn proper semantic context.
Kaguya was never stated to be human. In fact, she was hailed as something other than a human - as a goddess.
This was both before and after consuming the fruit. Though Hagoromo does not refer to events in any particular chronological sequence.
Do you want a cookie, or a reach around?The supposed other way is an incorrect spelling.
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Gee. I wonder what I could have meant.
Based on?
The Shinju's eye is the embodiment of Shintoism.
The Rinnegan is the embodiment of Kaguya's desire to understand how to free humans from suffering.
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You'll find Genjutsu explained here:
" The firmness of the Tao belongs to yang; this is the great. The flexibility of the human mind belongs to yin; this is the small. If the human mind lacks the mind of Tao, it can defeat the Tao by using consciousness to produce illusion. If you govern it by the mind of Tao, the conscious light is clear and can thereby help the Tao.
-- Liu Yiming "
Here we have what is happening, now:
"The crescent moon symbolizes the sudden manifestation of the celestial root in people when they have attained utter stillness. This celestial root is called the mind of Tao. A furnace is a vessel in which fire is used; because the mind of Tao has a Yang light which can be used to burn away a person`s mundanity (Yin energy), the mind of Tao is also represented as a furnace. Actually, the mind of Tao is the Heart of Heaven and Earth. -- Liu Yiming (18th C. Taoist master) "
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"The mystic pearl is the pearl of complete yang, something round and bright and unclouded; it is a different name for the Gold Elixir. When the firing process reaches its time, the pearl will naturally be formed.
-- Liu Yiming (Awakening the Tao)"
" The Golden Flower is the Golden Pill (Elixir of Life). All changes of spiritual consciousness depend upon the heart. This wonderful charm, although it works very accurately, is yet so fluid that it needs extreme wisdom and alertness, and the most complete absorption and tranquility. People without this highest degree of wisdom and alertness do not find the way to apply the charm; people without this utmost capacity for absorption and tranquility cannot keep fast hold of it.
-- The Secret of the Golden Flower "
Most of its powers are connected to the phases of existence. The animal. The Human/mind. The hungry/consuming. The autonomous. The divine.
The powers of the wielder of the Rinnegan are powers over the human. Gedo. The Outer Path - the misguided way. The chains that ensnare the Gedo Mazo (Outer Way Demon Sculpture, translated literally) represent that one is bound to the cycle of suffering. The chakra control rods are symbolic of the Outer Way's manipulative and subversive nature.
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The seal Madara uses is derived from this same power. It was not the first time it was used, either.
Why do you think Kaguya suddenly decided to hate the children she gave chakra to? Why did she suddenly want to command and enslave a world she settled on and even decided to bear children on?
You'd question my comprehension level?
And what reason have I to not want that?
Allow me to explain:
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Before Kaguya was "A thing."
I was already onto the trail of the Byakugan being 'at the end.'
You can question my comprehension skills all you want to. It's not going to change what is about to happen.
Since we're on the topic, though.
You need to actually use the thing called "context" and "semantics" to figure out why Kishimoto would bother:
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Most of her internal dialogue was directed toward Naruto regarding his versatility and adaptability.
She's saying that she likes him.
Although she also says: "You're both transmigrants of Ashura" - which can initially be meant to imply Naruto - but she also says: "You were already different that time." Without a higher quality scan - it's hard to tell what that dark picture is of. Given that we are talking about transmigrants - the Ashura and Indra idea of reincarnation probably goes back before the Sage's sons.
Her comment implies she's met Ashura three times. Naruto. Ashura. ?
Though she could simply be referring to something Naruto did previously and "both" meaning the clones.
Understanding your stupidity and agreeing with it are two different things.
You get most of your information from the fanfiction in your head that you read into the manga.
Just like everybody else.
The only difference is that those of us with a bit more temperament can see other possibilities within the story.
Where did the Byakugan come from?
Why did Kaguya have it?
Do all of her people have it?
Why do those who have it never utilize Ninjutsu?
What is the Gentle Step?
Where did the Hyuuga clan come from?
Why is Naruto's seal composed of the Four Movements as part of the Eight Trigrams seal?
Where did the Hyuuga Cursed Seal come from?
Why, in that seal, is the symbol of the sun used to cover the spot where Kaguya developed the "Moon's Eye?"
Oh. Well then.
Just remember. Whatever happens next in the manga - it's an ass-pull because you didn't see it coming. And you know all the facts.
I'll give you some direct assistance.
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This is the key to the Naruto series. Not just Naruto's seal.
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" The Sun (Amaterasu, represented by the square), symbolizes our inner light, and rules the day, the state of Divine Presence. When presence is absent, the moon gives light, and rules the night, the state of sleep , in which man spends most of his days. The moon (Tsukuyomi no Mikoto, represented by the circle) symbolizes our ruling faculty or the mind, which Gurdjieff called the steward. It tries to bring us back to the state of presence. Gurdjieff spoke about creating moon in oneself, which means creating a steward, or a faculty in oneself that keeps reminding one to not sleep, but to be present.
In ancient times, the stars were the main means of navigation at sea during the night. Stars (Susano-no-Mikoto, represented by the triangle) symbolize reminders to awaken the God within. When one is submerged in daily activities, one suddenly realizes that one is asleep, and one tells oneself to Be (present). Stars are small sparks of light in the darkness (the state of psychological sleep that we spend most of our waking hours in) that guide us to our destination, the present moment. "
Hence why Susano'o blocks IT.
And why the symbol for the Sun Goddess is used to seal the Branch Family of the Hyuuga.
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Lol you think you so smart don't you.
Naruto isn't based upon Taoism, Kishi has released a statement that he hadn't realised that he had been using Taoism influences in the story. Also, everything was created by the Shinju in Naruto, not the Mystic Female of Taoism. Actually, maybe he was talking about Hinduism. hmm
Kaguya wasn't a Divine Being or a Goddess until she had the fruit, I don't know where you are getting this from dude.
Neither. You can go **** yourself.
Uzumaki's don't have reddish brown hair dude, they only have a particular type of red.
Anyway I'm not going to bother with this.
The Shinju's Eye and Kaguya's Third Eye is the True Rinnegan, someone obviously hasn't been reading the Manga.
Kaguya bore both the True Rinnegan and the Byakugan. And it degraded into the normal Rinnegan, which then degraded into the watered down Sharingan. I don't care what influences the Eyes have with Shintoism and Buddhism, because they are just that, influences.
This is one large wall of text, I am not replying to this nor am I going to read every last word of that, maybe later. Anyway I have no problems with this, as this is real information based on Taoism.
I forgot that Japan's view of Divine is different from ours.
She wanted all Chakra for herself. No idea to the rest, to tired.
Lol That was Kakashi who said 'I like you' It was in response to his original words back in part one 'Your a bunch of idiots' or 'I don't like you.'
She could've been referring to the clones, anyway, Naruto and Sasuke, Ashura and Indra, these two are both definitely paralleled with her sons the Sage and his brother. That means three for both Yin and Yang. SO she could've been talking about that.
My stupidity? I'm having so many Lol's right now. No, I get my information from the manga, not this fanfiction of yours.
The Byakugan came from the Shinju's Eye or the True Rinnegan just like all Dojutsu did. No her people don't have it, she only gained it when she had the fruit. No idea. Don't you mean Gentle Fist? The Hyuuga came from Homura who came from Kaguya. Naruto's seal is composed of two Four Symbol Seals, which makes it eight, I have no idea why its eight, but its a very powerful seal. No idea where the Hyuuga Seal came from, but I'm pretty sure its a swastika or manji. Actually, when her eye was being sealed, it original showed the Sun, and a crescent moon symbol, which is the symbol for Yin and Yang in the manga, it was only at the end that the sun completely enveloped the eye. At least that's if we are talking about her third eye.
I don't know all the facts, and there is still more to be known about the Byakugan, however I was saying that there was still enough that we know about it to talk about it. don't take what I say out of proportions.
The Hyuuga's cursed seal isn't a Sun symbol.
Edit: Why do your posts have to be so ****ing long?
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Whether I am smart or not is irrelevant. Smart people are wrong all of the time. Dumb people can be right some of the time.
Naruto is based upon Taoism.
It's called the manga. You should try paying attention to it.
Now, now, you shouldn't talk with your mouth full.
Weren't you just talking about how he was old and grayed. And how Kaguya's hair was white?
Where, pray tell, are you getting this "true rinnegan" nonsense from?
Show me -one- (or a hundred for all I care) manga panel that identifies it as the "true rinnegan."
Those who have it have not been illustrated to have the Rinnegan's powers. If anything, its abilities are more in line with the "True Sharingan."
Now if only you could assemble these bits of knowledge into something meaningful.
You were on the verge of an epiphany, there.
Let's use our brains for this one.
She already -had- all of the chakra, correct?
She -gave- that chakra to her children, correct?
She lived to see both Indra and Ashura, correct?
Why, then, would Kaguya suddenly go ape shit and want to reclaim power she'd voluntarily relinquished?
You're one of those kids who likes the Star Wars prequels, aren't you?
Was it, now?
I doubt Indra and Ashura have much to do with Hamura and Hagoromo. Though it's hard to tell. The transmigrant part is one of those I've not put too much effort into researching just yet.
You don't get your information from anywhere but your own little head.
But it's okay. We all do.
Source.
Source.
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The four dots look familiar?
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" In Chinese and Japanese the swastika is also a homonym of the number 10,000, and is commonly used to represent the whole of Creation, e.g. 'the myriad things' in the Dao De Jing. During the Chinese Tang Dynasty, Empress Wu Zetian (684-704) decreed that the swastika would also be used as an alternative symbol of the Sun. "
Oh? I am the one who must be sure not to blow your viewpoint out of proportion?
Is that understood?
Yes,
Yes it is.
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Remember the four dots?
They're there in the 'crook' of the arms.
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The square circled by four dots representative of the Sun Goddess Amaterasu.
In a clan where the Head's Name: Hiashi - literally translates to "Sun."
Hinata translates to: "A Place in the Sun."
Just how hard does Kishimoto have to hit you over the head with it?
The Sun - Amaterasu - signifies the state of Divine Consciousness. The Sun 'ends' Tsukuyomi - the state of dreaming.
Because I know a lot more than you.
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I think the word your looking for is influenced by it. Naruto is influenced by Taoism, Shintoism, and Buddhism. When you right a story, you will be influenced by many things, however, the thing the story is based on or influenced by, does not dictate how everything in the story goes. Is that understood?
You say it is influenced or based upon something, and as such it must do this or that, however, I don't give a ****. Have I gotten the point across?
Actually, its called trying to put the Manga's influences above the Manga itself.
Oh but I'm not, you really tick me of you know that, you act like you know everything, and that everything you say is correct, but its not.
No I was saying that the Sage's hair was a reddish brown, but it had grey in it. Which could be why the depiction and drawing of his hair in the manga makes it out to be White/Silver or anything connected to that type of colour. For instance, grey is connected to silver and white.
I just prefer to refer to it as the True Rinnegan instead of the super long ridiculous names that other fans refer to it as. No, it is not a Sharingan, it is a Rinnegan, but the first one, the original one, and it is the most powerful. That's why I refer to it as True. Its the combination of the Rinnegan and the Sharingan, thus it is not degraded. You don't expect me to refer to it as Sharrinnegan right?
Sasuke's Rinnegan as shown and stated, is a Rinnegan, but it is like the Shinju's eye, but its purple and has less Tomoe, however it is most definitely stronger then the normal Rinnegan.
As shown, the Sharingan that we all know, is a degraded form of the Rinnegan, its also a degraded from of Indra's eye.
I don't need to do that, as I only listen to what the manga says, not the things that influence it.
She did not voluntarily relinquish her power, she believed that Chakra rightfully belonged to her alone and that only she could protect and unite the world. She had both a God complex, and a Messiah complex.
When Kaguya gave birth to her two sons: Hagoromo and Hamura, both of whom inherited the same powerful Chakra she wielded and unique Dojutsu along with it. She became angered at the power gained by her children, she then fused with the Shinju to become the Ten Tails with only one goal, to reclaim the Chakra she felt was hers.
Also, I like the Original Trilogy of Star Wars.
Yep.
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The Two Bottom left panels.
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You already know this image, however it completes the other one.
I just added in those two to get the number three lol. Also, originally, Hagoromo was only Yang, and his brother was Yin, however, at some point in time he somehow gained his brothers Yin seal and staff.
That does still parallel Indra and Ashura, as they were Yin and Yang as well, Naruto and Sasuke as well.
No, I get my information from the Manga, except when I make up a name for something since no official name has been given, as is the case with the Shinju's eye.
All Dojutsu came from the Shinju, which she fused with when she ate its fruit, thus she gained the Shinju's eye and the Byakugan. Which is why the Byakugan pre-dates the degraded form of the Rinnegan and Sharingan
By the way, here's the reason for why she was a human before she had the fruit.
'Longing for peace, Kaguya decided that it was necessary for her to attain god-like powers in order to put an end to all conflicts. For this reason, she defied the taboo of consuming the fruit of the Shinju, becoming one with the holy tree's power' This means that she was a human before she had the fruit, otherwise she would not have deified or breached the prohibition.
Also 'For her deed of single-handedly ending the wars, Kaguya was worshipped as the Rabbit Goddess (卯の女神, Usagi no Megami).' She wasn't known as a Goddess until after she had the fruit, she was originally a princess, and that was all.
Why do I need to put a source down? Its a well known fact that she only gained the Byakugan when she ate the fruit.
I see, didn't realize that there was such a thing as Gentle Step.
Kaguya only had two sons, and it seems that there was no other family (at least on the continent.), as Homura was the only one with the Byakugan, then it is most likely that he continued the Byakugan's line. Common sense
I already know that its the Eight Trigrams Seal, I admitted as much when I said Naruto's seal is composed of two four symbols seals, which makes eight. Unless you were showing this pic to me for a different reason.
YES.
Didn't know this one, its quite interesting, however don't the Hyuuga represent the moon? Which is Yin?
I'm seriously having so many Lol's at your attitude.
The dots don't seem to be placed properly, why are you showing me this anyway? I already know what the symbol is. Swastika is in both Hinduism and Buddhism.
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Look at the two bottom panels on the left.
Both the Moon and the Sun are enveloping the Eye.
It appears that it doesn't completely follow its influences.
You don't.
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Yes indeed, we've talked about Mandala which was used so much to overlap one and another that would represent Square, Triangle and Circle. It's also interesting to note that these basic forms composed to the Eight Trigrams seal as Aim explained his theory.
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I agree with this statement! I think as a fan we can all get caught up and forget that influences are just that, and not the manga/anime itself! Also I sometimes can depict some Christian influences also!
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I spotted an ALT!!I agree with this statement! I think as a fan we can all get caught up and forget that influences are just that, and not the manga/anime itself! Also I sometimes can depict some Christian influences also!
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Thank you? I think? Don't know much of my internet slang/abbreviation :dunno:
Come on, you just proved you are an idiot by thinking that Kaguya is the one who said I like you, you obviously don't even read the manga like a normal person, you must skip through real fast, either that or your reading comprehension is terrible. You are probably the only person who didn't realize that was Kakashi thinking that. As for the scan where she says something about both of ashuras reincarnations, she is talking about Narutos shadow clone, there is a better scan available, why you rely on mangapandas scans is beyond me. The dark picture is of narutos shadow clones. Also, Hagoromo's hair is more brown than red, there is more than one color picture of him, here is one from inside a chapter, not a cover page. Also, this has nothing to do with anything, but while discussing colors, I'd figure I'd say that sasuke's rinnegan is purple, not red like a lot of people, including me, thought. There's a color page for viz's WSJ, the opening covert, and he had red sharingan, and purple rinnegan with tomoes. Also, that mangpanda picture of Naruto and hagoromo in color, whoever did that oversaturated the original image way to much, and it makes Hagoromo's hair look redder than it is, the official, real image, is below. Yet another reason why mangapanda sucks. All my images come from viz's releases by the way, cause some people actually pay for wsj.
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Thanks man.
I also don't understand how he thinks Kaguya's "clan" ate the shinju fruit before her. She doesn't have a clan first of all, we don't need a source, the source is the manga and it never said there are more people in her clan, and it specifically states that she is the first one who ate the fruit, and in doing so, BECAME a goddess. She was not a goddess before eating it, yea she had horns, but she still was a regular person without chakra, which means the originator of Chakra wad the shinju,. Kurama actually states this, he specifically says that ten tails/shinju is the progenitor, the creator and destroyer of world's, a god, the creator of all things (including chakra). Kaguya stole that power and controlled the world with it. Then she had kids, who inherited her chakra, but she is a crazy ***** and got jealous that she wasn't the only one with chakra anymore, so she rampaged through the world in the ten tails form. Hagoromo shared the chakra with everyone through his teachings, that's when she got mad, because now it wasn't only her son's that had chakra, but everyone who hagoromo was teaching had it to.
Also its obvious that hamura is the start of the hyuuga clan, Kaguya only had two sons, and no other relatives were even hinted at, so therefore hamura must have given birth to the hyuuga, since he was the only one with byakugan. Kaguya did not have relatives, she probably came from another dimension, which has been made clear in the recent chapters. Even if by some chance she did, those relatives didn't eat the fruit, therefore they didn't have chakra, therefore they didn't have byakugan. Even if they gained chakra from hagoromo through his teachings, they wouldn't have gotten byakugan because it's a genetic trait, and only hamura had it because he's her son, just like only Uchiha have sharingan because they're Indras people, and Indra only had sharingan because he was Hagoromo's son. All the proof, or sources that you seem to want, is in the manga itself.
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Its because he's an idiot, who doesn't listen to the Manga, and instead puts its influences above the Manga.
It was quite clearly stated that she was the first person to eat the fruit, and that she broke the prohibition. And that she was hailed as a Goddess after eating the fruit.
The dudes just an idiot. He proved that when he thought Kaguya was saying that she likes Naruto. xd :heh:
Nice post.
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I agree the hyuga's are interesting in many ways I can't wait to see what's kishi he planned next for them.